Raideraholic Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 21 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Luckily for them they don’t need to make a decision on Mayer for another 3 years. But it’s interesting because Mayer and Bowers both profile more as detached “move” TEs than traditional inline players. The Gronk Hernandez thing is often cited, but Gronk was beastly as a blocker as well. Small sample sizes can be deceiving, but Antonio Pierce looks to be possibly legit, definitely more so than Bobby Salad at least. Wrong Michael Mayer is two way te who can catch and block. Go watch him block Jermaine Johnson one on one . ( when teams played) Mayer did struggle early with his blocking but by season end was blocking like true Te. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 His blocking wasn’t there early . he struggled . MAXX Crosby gave him welcome to nfl moment. Made him a better te as he became very good blocker by season end. Will have monster year in 2024. B bowers brought out the best in Mayer faster, in best shape of his life. B Bowers is going to play everywhere ( Te, Wr, Fb, Rb) mostly in the slot .( where he isn’t going to need a year because he be seeing Cb, and safeties who he will bury. Raiders are going to a zone blocking scheme. All there offense lineman. ,Lt K Miller , Lg Jackson powers Johnson c Andre James rg D parham with exception of T Munford are excellent fits in that scheme. Munford while not a great fit is excellent run blocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 On 6/14/2024 at 6:49 PM, TuscanyTile2 said: Well, we don't really know that as of right now. lol But I think what you're saying is that if JD loved Olu then it wasn't worth it to get a couple of extra picks but have it cost us the LT we coveted. One of the reasons JD is not a good GM is that he “covets” players. That’s why he trades up all the time. But good GMs do not covet players. They realize all these guys are gambles and picks are lottery tickets. A good GM would have taken that second offer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Considering the Jets would have taken Corley earlier than they did had the trade gone thru, LT at 11 wins hands down. At the time of the phone call not trading out of #11 was nuts though. If the WR was there at 10 they take him so JD chose to stand pat at 11 for a runner up. Makes little sense to me but as I said the way the rest of the board fell it worked out for us, so enough said. To perform well as a GM you need both skill and luck. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 On 6/14/2024 at 1:30 PM, Raideraholic said: They rams wanted Brock Bowers that’s who they were trying to trade up for. Noted offensive idiot tries to trade for obvious colossal bust 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 11 hours ago, Raideraholic said: His blocking wasn’t there early . he struggled . MAXX Crosby gave him welcome to nfl moment. Made him a better te as he became very good blocker by season end. Will have monster year in 2024. B bowers brought out the best in Mayer faster, in best shape of his life. B Bowers is going to play everywhere ( Te, Wr, Fb, Rb) mostly in the slot .( where he isn’t going to need a year because he be seeing Cb, and safeties who he will bury. Raiders are going to a zone blocking scheme. All there offense lineman. ,Lt K Miller , Lg Jackson powers Johnson c Andre James rg D parham with exception of T Munford are excellent fits in that scheme. Munford while not a great fit is excellent run blocker I can’t wait to see what our offense does this year, bro. Gonna be fun to watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 11 hours ago, BroadwayRay said: One of the reasons JD is not a good GM is that he “covets” players. That’s why he trades up all the time. But good GMs do not covet players. They realize all these guys are gambles and picks are lottery tickets. A good GM would have taken that second offer. A good GM takes the sure thing vs. possibilities and hope. If JD took the deal and Olu goes on to have a Solid to Plus pro career, you’ll need JD to hit on the 19th pick (only offensive players LT/WR/RT) you’re choosing between Thomas, Fautanu, Guyton and, Worthy, Parsall & Legette. and the #52 you’re picking Corley or Paul depending on how your #19 pick went. Taking the best available LT at #11 with additional trade assets was the way to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmhertz Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 None of the three first round offensive linemen Douglas selected was worth the pick 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dcat Posted June 16 Popular Post Share Posted June 16 20 minutes ago, hmhertz said: None of the three first round offensive linemen Douglas selected was worth the pick Henry.... I've been reading your comments since the late 90's when the NY Times had a Jets forum (Where are all the others from there, BTW? @slats? ) You have hated EVERY Jets' GM since that time. (Not that they were any good). But I am convinced that you will always hate any Jets GM, no matter who it is, until the day they bury you in a Jets jersey. Douglas has made bad mistakes... really bad ones , but Douglas has been better than all of the predecessors. Also, the players who you have advocated through these decades in lieu of the ones the Jets' GM picked, were AWFUL in and of themselves. At least that's my take on the Henry Hertz annual "the GM did everything wrong" spiel. Go feed those ducks. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 13 hours ago, BroadwayRay said: One of the reasons JD is not a good GM is that he “covets” players. That’s why he trades up all the time. But good GMs do not covet players. They realize all these guys are gambles and picks are lottery tickets. A good GM would have taken that second offer. I know what you're saying but I think it just depends on who a GM hits on. Andy Reid coveted Patrick Mahomes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 13 hours ago, BroadwayRay said: One of the reasons JD is not a good GM is that he “covets” players. That’s why he trades up all the time. But good GMs do not covet players. They realize all these guys are gambles and picks are lottery tickets. A good GM would have taken that second offer. But does he yearn? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 15 hours ago, Raideraholic said: Wrong Michael Mayer is two way te who can catch and block. Go watch him block Jermaine Johnson one on one . ( when teams played) Mayer did struggle early with his blocking but by season end was blocking like true Te. You guys love slow tight ends 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, hmhertz said: None of the three first round offensive linemen Douglas selected was worth the pick It’s wierd. AVT is always hurt yet he’s the next Larry Allen but Becton is the worst OT bust ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 55 minutes ago, Dcat said: Henry.... I've been reading your comments since the late 90's when the NY Times had a Jets forum (Where are all the others from there, BTW? @slats? ) You have hated EVERY Jets' GM since that time. (Not that they were any good). But I am convinced that you will always hate any Jets GM, no matter who it is, until the day they bury you in a Jets jersey. Douglas has made bad mistakes... really bad ones , but Douglas has been better than all of the predecessors. Also, the players who you have advocated through these decades in lieu of the ones the Jets' GM picked, were AWFUL in and of themselves. At least that's my take on the Henry Hertz annual "the GM did everything wrong" spiel. Go feed those ducks. Maybe he hates jet GMs because they were all bad since Bill Parcells? And even Parcells himself made the two dumbest moves ever telling Peyton and his dad to take a hike because he’s old school and then compounding that mistake passing on Orlando Pace for James Farrior I was 15 when that happened and even at that age I knew it was a royal screw up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 14 hours ago, BroadwayRay said: One of the reasons JD is not a good GM is that he “covets” players. That’s why he trades up all the time. But good GMs do not covet players. They realize all these guys are gambles and picks are lottery tickets. A good GM would have taken that second offer. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 17 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: you know I don't speak Spanish. Whatever that means, I was saying the same crap before the draft. I thought LT was a high priority - not like I'm changing my take because we took one. LT is and was a high priority. That is unarguable. I am criticizing the GM for forgoing draft capital in order to draft a plug and play OT, only so they can ease him in. If the plan was “ease him in”, then they could have easily drafted an OT later (given this was a drop class) and taken the extra capital to boot. Nobody is arguing that OT shouldn’t have been the pick. I simply think the strategy is that if a choad. He Douglas is a choad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Rich Thornburgh said: You guys love slow tight ends Yes Travis Kelce slow too Those slow Tes Michael Mayer and Brock Bowers( best player in Sec) will be top five te’s in the game. . You like Tightends that can run Zach Kuntz but can’t play football . At least they can get saleh his coffee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 2 hours ago, Integrity28 said: I am criticizing the GM for forgoing draft capital in order to draft a plug and play OT, only so they can ease him in. If the plan was “ease him in”, then they could have easily drafted an OT later (given this was a drop class) and taken the extra capital to boot. There’s the 6 game “ease in” there’s the year 2 ease in and the year 3 ease in. Max Mitchell is going on year 3 and Becton was a 4 year disappointment. JD got a long, physically fit LT who has been impressing in camp with a few growing pains. JD is looking for Olu to play meaningful snaps this year. Guyton, I’m not so sure will have been ready. We’ll see 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 The trade of #19 plus a 2nd and 3rd for #10 and a 6th would have been very tempting. But I can't blame JD for taking the trade down to 11 then picking his guy in Fashanu. Fashanu would not have been there at 19, and the other guy the Jets seemed to like - Fuaga - probably wouldn't have been there either. Getting extra draft capital with the move down to 11, then adding a franchise LT prospect that many fans were gnashing their teeth over 'losing' with the late season victories, was good business. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 20 hours ago, BroadwayRay said: One of the reasons JD is not a good GM is that he “covets” players. That’s why he trades up all the time. But good GMs do not covet players. They realize all these guys are gambles and picks are lottery tickets. A good GM would have taken that second offer. Yeah, that trade up for AVT was dumb as hell. Especially, cause Vikings ended up getting Darrisaw anyway. Douglas falls in love with players to much. He should've taken the trade down and grabbed Fautanu. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doggin94it Posted June 17 Popular Post Share Posted June 17 9 hours ago, Integrity28 said: LT is and was a high priority. That is unarguable. I am criticizing the GM for forgoing draft capital in order to draft a plug and play OT, only so they can ease him in. If the plan was “ease him in”, then they could have easily drafted an OT later (given this was a drop class) and taken the extra capital to boot. Nobody is arguing that OT shouldn’t have been the pick. I simply think the strategy is that if a choad. He Douglas is a choad. The key is they needed a LT they'd be comfortable starting 6 games if and when Smith has his annual injury, so it doesn't wreck their season. I'm sure that if you could guaranty that would be weeks 10-16 and not 2-7 they'd have been more comfortable with someone like Guyton than they evidently were. But there's no way to guarantee that, and the increased draft capital, on this team, just isn't worth that risk. This is a legit SB team right now. You have to treat that differently. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Give it 3 years and hmhertz will tell you if it was a smart move or not 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 7 hours ago, artemusclyde said: Yeah, that trade up for AVT was dumb as hell. Especially, cause Vikings ended up getting Darrisaw anyway. Douglas falls in love with players to much. He should've taken the trade down and grabbed Fautanu. I think Douglas sticks to his board as opposed to coveting a specific player. These rankings are determined by a year of research and long discussions with opinions from many. Fashanu probably was the last remaining player of his top tier. Trading further down particularly 17 was a risk he wasn’t willing to take. He stuck to his board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 17 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I know what you're saying but I think it just depends on who a GM hits on. Andy Reid coveted Patrick Mahomes. You are correct. Sometimes it’s worth pursuing a player at a high value position like that if you truly believe in him. But JD usually has two or three Mahomes crushes every draft on players he’s hellbent on getting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 On 6/16/2024 at 10:30 AM, Raideraholic said: Yes Travis Kelce slow too Those slow Tes Michael Mayer and Brock Bowers( best player in Sec) will be top five te’s in the game. . You like Tightends that can run Zach Kuntz but can’t play football . At least they can get saleh his coffee. Keep using first round picks on tight ends who won’t even run a 40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetblue95 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 On 6/15/2024 at 5:21 PM, Integrity28 said: If the plan is to ease them in, then you go with the later prospect and net additional picks. Easing in a 11th overall pick is not the strategy of a contender. patrick mahomes was drafted 10th and didn't really play his 1st year seemed to work out well there...well for KC, not the team that took that box safety at 6 to play immediately... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 On 6/15/2024 at 7:34 PM, BroadwayRay said: One of the reasons JD is not a good GM is that he “covets” players. That’s why he trades up all the time. But good GMs do not covet players. They realize all these guys are gambles and picks are lottery tickets. A good GM would have taken that second offer. You have to covet the right players. But yes trading up almost never works out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 On 6/16/2024 at 10:27 AM, Rich Thornburgh said: It’s wierd. AVT is always hurt yet he’s the next Larry Allen but Becton is the worst OT bust ever AVT seems to get a pass from the sheep. Maybe not being a 400 lb crybaby matters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Taking Travis over Rattler was stupid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 On 6/17/2024 at 10:27 PM, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Taking Travis over Rattler was stupid Rattler was pick 150. Travis, 171. For the Jets to get Rattler, they would have had to pass on Allen at pick 134 to get him. No way. Now I like Rattler, but like Travis, he is anything but a sure bet. Denver would have grabbed Allen at 147 instead of the similar Estime. So who would you take at 171? The comp here (absent any trades) would be the Allen/Travis picks vs. Rattler/(unknown #171) picks. I'm happy the way it turned out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 My guy Adam Peters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Raideraholic Posted June 19 Popular Post Share Posted June 19 On 6/17/2024 at 3:56 PM, Rich Thornburgh said: Keep using first round picks on tight ends who won’t even run a 40 Watch what the Tight end 21 years Brock Bowers ( consider the best player in Sec)and Michael Mayer 23 years old puts up this season, and many seasons after. All anyone will remember the Jets passing up a generational talent Brock Bowers for a Lt ( need over best player) . It’s like Jets picking the best player left on the board Q Williams when they had already a high drafted Dt .( Leonard Williams). It proved to be the right choice. Raider nation thanks the Jets for the gift . There is a reason why the Rams try to trade up with you for Bowers. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 5 hours ago, Raideraholic said: Watch what the Tight end 21 years Brock Bowers ( consider the best player in Sec)and Michael Mayer 23 years old puts up this season, and many seasons after. All anyone will remember the Jets passing up a generational talent Brock Bowers for a Lt ( need over best player) . It’s like Jets picking the best player left on the board Q Williams when they had already a high drafted Dt .( Leonard Williams). It proved to be the right choice. Raider nation thanks the Jets for the gift . There is a reason why the Rams try to trade up with you for Bowers. Raider Nation was barfing up blood when they picked the TE. You might be saying "thanks" but what I saw/read was a very unhappy miserable reaction from the fan base. Anyway, "you're welcome" BTW... (always good when Raiduhs make a horrible mistake, like Leatherwood or Bowers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted Thursday at 01:36 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:36 PM 14 hours ago, Raideraholic said: Watch what the Tight end 21 years Brock Bowers ( consider the best player in Sec)and Michael Mayer 23 years old puts up this season, and many seasons after. He’ll need a Qb to pull that off. Minishew/AOC are serviceable… nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted Friday at 02:06 AM Share Posted Friday at 02:06 AM On 6/19/2024 at 4:52 PM, Raideraholic said: Watch what the Tight end 21 years Brock Bowers ( consider the best player in Sec)and Michael Mayer 23 years old puts up this season, and many seasons after. All anyone will remember the Jets passing up a generational talent Brock Bowers for a Lt ( need over best player) . It’s like Jets picking the best player left on the board Q Williams when they had already a high drafted Dt .( Leonard Williams). It proved to be the right choice. Raider nation thanks the Jets for the gift . There is a reason why the Rams try to trade up with you for Bowers. The Powers of Bowers! Btw did Jamarcus ever get around to watching that dvd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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