kelly Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Here you go, a pre-snow shoveling diversion -- the New York Jets mailbag, with our question of the week : @RichCimini if Jimmy Graham hits the FA market, should the Jets go after him or is it not necessary in Gailey's system? #JetsMail 11:06 AM - 22 Jan 2016 @RichCimini: First of all, let's spell out Jimmy Graham's status with the Seattle Seahawks: He's signed through 2017, with $9 million in compensation for 2016. Despite speculation to the contrary, Graham probably will be back with the Seahawks. In fact, general manager John Schneider said as much Friday in a radio interview. Even if Graham were released, the Jets would have to think twice about it because of the price tag and his injury -- a torn patellar tendon, which can be tricky.But you raise an interesting topic, Jake, because I think a lot of Jets fans want to know: Will the Jets try to upgrade the position or will they kiss it off because Chan Gailey doesn't utilize the tight end? He certainly didn't utilize the tight ends in 2015. Kellen Davis and Jeff Cumberland combined for only eight receptions, making the Jets only the fourth team since 2000 to record fewer than 10 catches for its tight ends in a season, per ESPN Stats & Info. I don't think Gailey froze out Davis and Cumberland because he's averse to tight ends. Look, we all know Gailey loves his wide receivers, but he'd feature the tight end on occasion if he had one worth featuring. So, yes, I expect the Jets to be involved in the free-agent market.General manager Mike Maccagnan, speaking Friday on WFAN radio, said there will be some good tight ends available in free agency. Without revealing any names, he mentioned a specific profile -- older players coming off injuries. Maybe he was referring to Antonio Gates, 35, who dealt with injuries at the start of last season and still finished with 56 catches. Benjamin Watson, 35, and Gary Barnidge, 31, are older players who had big years, but they weren't injured. Dwayne Allen, 26, and Andrew Quarless, 28, missed time due to injuries, but they don't fall into the older category. Who knows, maybe Maccagnan will set his target on Kellen Winslow, Jr., who announced on Twitter he's attempting a comeback. Only kidding. Don't forget, the Jets have two tight ends returning from injuries, Jace Amaro and Zach Sudfeld, but they're largely unproven players. So to answer your question, yes, I think the Jets will look to upgrade at tight end; it just won't be Graham and it won't be the top guy on the market. Because of cap considerations, it'll probably be a bargain-type free agent. > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/58105/could-jets-pursue-te-jimmy-graham-if-he-shakes-free-in-seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I think he would be a little costly on team that still has other pressing needs. Don't get me wrong, a TE is one our needs but I would like to see if Amaro can bounce back this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 If the Jets look at a tight end in free agency I would think it will be a blocking tight end. More likely they will just keep Enunwa as our "blocking tight end" and address our other needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I'll friggin' drive Graham to Atlantic Health if he's available. Drinks, food, top shelf escorts, you name it. Adding a healthy Graham would be huge for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Let's give the kid Amaro a shot. Graham a cap nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 No. Amaro is fine. Gailey doesn't use the TE anyway. We'd be better off signing a road-grader TE to block than overpay for a TE we won't throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Refuses to block and too pricey, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Cimini has nothing new to report so here we go with the absurd theories that make absolutely ZERO sense. Cimini does this sh!t every off season. Seattle traded their best Olineman, Unger, and a 1st round pick to New Orleans to get Graham. They are not cutting him. Rich Cimini is just bored and has nothing to bring to the table. In addition: Recent Player News Posted: 1/22/2016 10:17pm ET Seattle Seahawks TE Jimmy Graham (knee) will return to the Seahawks in 2016, according to Seahawks general manager John Schneider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 No. Amaro is fine. Gailey doesn't use the TE anyway. You're right, but Graham transcends the TE position and operates more like a bigger, slightly slower elite WR. If we had any cap space at all you go after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 No I'd rather draft Hunter Henry in round 1. He's the next Rob Gronkowski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 You're right, but Graham transcends the TE position and operates more like a bigger, slightly slower elite WR. If we had any cap space at all you go after him. Graham is actually very similar to Decker and Marshall he's a big target with good hands who knows how to adjust to the throw. Him and Wilson just didn't have chemistry last year. If his cap number wasn't so bad I'd be more open to it but we don't have much cap room and still need to resign Fitz, Wilk and do a bunch of other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Graham is actually very similar to Decker and Marshall he's a big target with good hands who knows how to adjust to the throw. Him and Wilson just didn't have chemistry last year. If his cap number wasn't so bad I'd be more open to it but we don't have much cap room and still need to resign Fitz, Wilk and do a bunch of other stuff. +1 This is what I was thinking. Gailey doesn't seem to like TEs much, but he loves him some big dudes in the lost. I remember when Graham was tagged, his agent argued that he was a WR because he spent 67% of his plays wide or in the slot. I'm sure the Jets would love to have him, but the price will surely be prohibitive. The Saints won at arbitration which saved them like $5M on the tender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 No I'd rather draft Hunter Henry in round 1. He's the next Rob Gronkowski. I was watching some film on him doesn't look like that kid gets many yards after a hit. I thought he reminded me more of Keller than Gronk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavericknyc1980 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Give me Green from Sandiego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I was watching some film on him doesn't look like that kid gets many yards after a hit. I thought he reminded me more of Keller than Gronk. Keller? Oh that's an insult to Graham. Below the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 No I'd rather draft Hunter Henry in round 1. He's the next Rob Gronkowski. Another Thad Castle? Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 "could Jets pursue TE Jimmy Graham if he shakes free in Seattle ? ? ?" No it's not even concieveably possible that the jets could pursue jimmy graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I was told our awesome OC uses a system regardless of talent, so this would be a pretty epic waste of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Dwayne Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 No I'd rather draft Hunter Henry in round 1. He's the next Rob Gronkowski. He's really not THO. Gronk was way more dominant in college and sells short just how good Gronk is at the pro level. I'm not even sure this Henry fellow is a better prospect than Amaro was coming out of school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Keller? Oh that's an insult to Graham. Below the belt. no...that kid coming out of college Hunter Henry. Someone said he looked like Gronk but the kid cant stay on his feet when he gets hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 No. Amaro is fine. Gailey doesn't use the TE anyway. We'd be better off signing a road-grader TE to block than overpay for a TE we won't throw to. I agree, Amaro is fine. Not to mention, Sudfeld. However, Scott Chandler had a couple good years under Gailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 It is no secret the Jets struggled at the tight end position in 2015. In fact, struggled might be putting it lightly. One could argue no team got less production out of its tight ends both blocking and receiving than the Jets. The lack of emphasis in the passing game at the position has brought up an interesting discussion as the Jets turn to the offseason. How important is it to upgrade tight end? Was part of the problem that Chan Gailey's offense simply does not have a role for tight ends?I decided to take a quick look at how tight ends fared in recent Gailey offenses. Chan has a long career in the NFL and has evolved as a coach so I decided to look at the offenses he ran after his stint as head coach at Georgia Tech ended in 2007. Since then, the 2015 Jets were the fifth NFL offense he has overseen as either a head coach or an offensive coordinator. The other four were the 2008 Chiefs and the 2010-12 Bills. In 2008 the Kansas City passing game certainly featured a tight end. Tony Gonzalez was second on the team in targets, with 155, only 2 behind Dwayne Bowe. Gonzalez led the Chiefs in all major receiving statistics that season.Does that settle the score on this issue? Kansas City in 2008 was an extreme case. They had a first ballot Hall of Fame type talent at the position.Well in 2012, Scott Chandler on the Bills was second in targets. He finished either first or second in all major receiving statistics for Buffalo that season. Does Gailey deemphasize the tight end because he doesn't believe in utilizing the position, or did the Jets just not have anybody worth utilizing in the passing game? I tend to think it was the latter.Todd Bowles talked in broad terms about the way the coaches would put in their systems in May 20. As we get to know personnel on both sides of the ball, we’ll try to tailor it for some guys and let them do things that they can do. As a team, we’re going to evolve, but definitely offensively and defensively as well as special teams. It’s not just going to be Chan (Gailey) seeing what he has, it’s going to be Kacy (Rodgers) seeing what he has and Bobby (April) seeing what he has to overall evolve as a team and see what we can do best.I get the feeling one of the big selling points with Gailey is Bowles viewed him as adaptable. The Jets didn't have a ton of talent at tight end, particularly after Jace Amaro got hurt. What they did was get creative a bit to make up for the lack of quality players at the position.This might be one of the reasons Eric Decker was moved into the slot. They got a bigger body inside who could help block a little bit. During the season there was much discussion about Jeremy Kerley's diminished role, but the Jets were willing to sacrifice Kerley's production because they felt they would be more effective on the whole with Decker inside. The Jets also turned Quincy Enunwa into a tight end. They manufactured a player with the correct skillset to help out a group that was not good enough on its own.I get the impression Gailey worked around the tight ends he had, not that he intentionally froze out the tight ends out of personal preference. If the Jets can find an upgrade who makes sense, I think they will pursue him. > http://www.ganggreennation.com/2016/1/24/10822132/new-york-jets-offseason-on-chan-gailey-and-tight-ends?ref=yfp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I really want to see what Amaro can do in this offense. Because he can line up on the outside as a WR, so e is more of a hybrid which fits Gailey's offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 A TE like Gronk changes the offense for NE or any team for that matter the guy is a beast. It would be nice to have a TE like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy CabezaVerde Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 With Jace Amaro I don't understand a Rumor with Graham, no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 With Jace Amaro I don't understand a Rumor with Graham, no sense. Amaro is a BUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Amaro is a BUST so far.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy CabezaVerde Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Amaro is a BUST 23 years, 1 season, too early to use the word BUST no? Or, argue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 If Amaro is already a bust then Devin Smith is one step away. I don't think either are busts yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 23 years, 1 season, too early to use the word BUST no? Or, argue? If Amaro is already a bust then Devin Smith is one step away. I don't think either are busts yet. Neither impress me 2 roster spots that could to players that will help this team win games add Milliner to that list and that makes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 No I'd rather draft Hunter Henry in round 1. He's the next Rob Gronkowski. Unless the Jets get a new OC, why waste a draft pick on a TE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 No I'd rather draft Hunter Henry in round 1. He's the next Rob Gronkowski. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Neither impress me 2 roster spots that could to players that will help this team win games add Milliner to that list and that makes 3 Add in Pryor, he was last years bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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