The_Butt_Fumble Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Gang Green missed out on a franchise QB when the Steelers draft Big Ben one pick before the Jets drafted Jonathan Vilma. The rest is history. Rnd. Pick # NFL team Player Pos. College Conf. Notes 1 1 San Diego Chargers Eli Manning † QB Ole Miss SEC traded to New York Giants[7] 1 2 Oakland Raiders Robert Gallery OT Iowa Big Ten 1 3 Arizona Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald † WR Pittsburgh Big East 1 4 New York Giants Philip Rivers † QB NC State ACC traded to San Diego[8] 1 5 Washington Redskins Sean Taylor † S Miami (FL) Big East Deceased 1 6 Cleveland Browns Kellen Winslow II † TE Miami (FL) Big East from Detroit[9] 1 7 Detroit Lions Roy Williams † WR Texas Big 12 from Cleveland[9] 1 8 Atlanta Falcons DeAngelo Hall † CB Virginia Tech Big East 1 9 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Williams WR Washington Pac-10 1 10 Houston Texans Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina SEC 1 11 Pittsburgh Steelers Ben Roethlisberger † QB Miami (OH) MAC 1 12 New York Jets Jonathan Vilma † LB Miami (FL) Big East Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Why would we have drafted Big Ben? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Butt_Fumble Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Since they drafted Joe Namath, the NY Jets forgot how to draft a franchise QB. It's beneath them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 43 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Why would we have drafted Big Ben? Yeah. We had Chad who was still full of a lot of potential in 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Reggie Williams. I remember picking that guy as my rookie fantasy sleeper that year and it did not work out so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 looks like a pretty good draft year. just about all of the highlighted guys are hof or near hof players. hard to say if the jets could've moved up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 hours ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: Since they drafted Joe Namath, the NY Jets forgot how to draft a franchise QB. It's beneath them. In 1965 the Jets drafted Joe in the 1st and 3 other QB's within the first 7 picks..2nd rd John Huarte,4th rd Bob Schweickert and Archie Roberts rd 7... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I highly doubt the 2004 Jets take Big Ben even if he was there. Also, the Bills took JP Losman in the first round that year so count your blessings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 They had just given chad a new contract i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Butt_Fumble Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 The point is that good football organizations like the Steelers and the NY Giants secured franchise QBs in the 2004 NFL draft. Gang Green has had nothing but a windmill of inconsistency since 2004. Season(s) Quarterback (Games) 2016 Ryan Fitzpatrick (11) / Geno Smith (1) / Bryce Petty (4) 2015 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16) 2014 Geno Smith (13) / Michael Vick (3) 2013 Geno Smith (16) 2012 Mark Sanchez (15) / Greg McElroy (1) 2011 Mark Sanchez (16) 2010 Mark Sanchez (16) 2009 Mark Sanchez (15) / Kellen Clemens (1) 2008 Brett Favre (16) 2007 Chad Pennington (8) / Kellen Clemens (8) 2006 Chad Pennington (16) 2005 Brooks Bollinger (9) / Vinny Testaverde (4) / Chad Pennington (3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: The point is that good football organizations like the Steelers and the NY Giants secured franchise QBs in the 2004 NFL draft. Gang Green has had nothing but a windmill of inconsistency since 2004. Season(s) Quarterback (Games) 2016 Ryan Fitzpatrick (11) / Geno Smith (1) / Bryce Petty (4) 2015 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16) 2014 Geno Smith (13) / Michael Vick (3) 2013 Geno Smith (16) 2012 Mark Sanchez (15) / Greg McElroy (1) 2011 Mark Sanchez (16) 2010 Mark Sanchez (16) 2009 Mark Sanchez (15) / Kellen Clemens (1) 2008 Brett Favre (16) 2007 Chad Pennington (8) / Kellen Clemens (8) 2006 Chad Pennington (16) 2005 Brooks Bollinger (9) / Vinny Testaverde (4) / Chad Pennington (3) Wait, you're saying the Jets never have a good QB? Really? #hottake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: The point is that good football organizations like the Steelers and the NY Giants secured franchise QBs in the 2004 NFL draft. Gang Green has had nothing but a windmill of inconsistency since 2004. Season(s) Quarterback (Games) 2016 Ryan Fitzpatrick (11) / Geno Smith (1) / Bryce Petty (4) 2015 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16) 2014 Geno Smith (13) / Michael Vick (3) 2013 Geno Smith (16) 2012 Mark Sanchez (15) / Greg McElroy (1) 2011 Mark Sanchez (16) 2010 Mark Sanchez (16) 2009 Mark Sanchez (15) / Kellen Clemens (1) 2008 Brett Favre (16) 2007 Chad Pennington (8) / Kellen Clemens (8) 2006 Chad Pennington (16) 2005 Brooks Bollinger (9) / Vinny Testaverde (4) / Chad Pennington (3) The point is you don't know what you're talking about. The Jets didn't need a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Butt_Fumble Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Seriously? The good NFL franchises secure a QB they can build a team around for 15 years. The Jets, Bills, and Dolphins have failed to do that while teams like the Patriots, Giants, Packers, Saints, Falcons, Colts & Seahawks draft a franchise QB and win. It's rare to acquire A franchise QB via free agency or a trade like the Broncos did with Peyton Manning. When Gang Green acquired Farve, they had instant credibility. Even with Vinny Testaverde. Yet; both Farve & Testaverde did well, and succeeded until they had injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 8 hours ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: Since they drafted Joe Namath, the NY Jets forgot how to draft a franchise QB. It's beneath them. BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: Seriously? The good NFL franchises secure a QB they can build a team around for 15 years. The Jets, Bills, and Dolphins have failed to do that while teams like the Patriots, Giants, Packers, Saints, Falcons, Colts & Seahawks draft a franchise QB and win. It's rare to acquire A franchise QB via free agency or a trade like the Broncos did with Peyton Manning. When Gang Green acquired Farve, they had instant credibility. Even with Vinny Testaverde. Yet; both Farve & Testaverde did well, and succeeded until they had injuries. So, wait, you're saying the good teams have found good QB's and the bad teams have failed to find good QB's? Holy sh*t man, this is an unbelievable discovery you've made. Bro, why are you posting on this site? You got talents for days, son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 8 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Reggie Williams. I remember picking that guy as my rookie fantasy sleeper that year and it did not work out so well. We cannot draft Mike Williams this year no matter what. There has never been a good WR named Williams. I went back as far as the 1990 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Butt_Fumble Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 I'm a Gang Green fan from The Joe Namath days. Now I'm sitting on the sidelines drinking Absinthe!!! All I can say to you is Jonathan Vilma. Seriously??? Own it, dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: I'm a Gang Green fan from The Joe Namath days. Now I'm sitting on the sidelines drinking Absinthe!!! All I can say to you is Jonathan Vilma. Seriously??? Own it, dog. The Absinthe must have messed with your memory. In 2004 the Jets had Chad Pennington entrenched as their starting QB. In 2002 he came off the bench and led the team to a division championship, and a 41-0 win over the Colts and Manning in the playoffs. In 2003 he suffered his suffered his first major injury - his wrist - in the preseason. He returned in week 9 with the team 2-6 and led them 4-4 down the stretch. Why (besides for your hindsight) would the Jets be using a 1st round pick in 2004 on a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I don't get it. Is this another one of those "Why didn't the Jets draft that guy that was picked before their selection threads?" You wanted the Jets to draft a QB in the first round in 2004? There was one available when they picked: J.P. Losman. Should they have picked him? I told you the Jets should have drafted Mariota and Beckham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Butt_Fumble Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Ben has passed for nearly 50,000 yards and you wanted to stick with Chad? Am I missing something? Most of all, were the Jets cajoled into believing that Ben would never be a better QB than Chad? OMG. SERIOUSLY? and the rest is history. We're stuck with the never ending windmill of over a dozen QBs since that draft, and the Steelers have won a Super Bowl and are a perennial contender. I'm a Jet fan, but come on . . . Are you people kidding me??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 4 hours ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: The point is that good football organizations like the Steelers and the NY Giants secured franchise QBs in the 2004 NFL draft. Gang Green has had nothing but a windmill of inconsistency since 2004. Season(s) Quarterback (Games) 2016 Ryan Fitzpatrick (11) / Geno Smith (1) / Bryce Petty (4) 2015 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16) 2014 Geno Smith (13) / Michael Vick (3) 2013 Geno Smith (16) 2012 Mark Sanchez (15) / Greg McElroy (1) 2011 Mark Sanchez (16) 2010 Mark Sanchez (16) 2009 Mark Sanchez (15) / Kellen Clemens (1) 2008 Brett Favre (16) 2007 Chad Pennington (8) / Kellen Clemens (8) 2006 Chad Pennington (16) 2005 Brooks Bollinger (9) / Vinny Testaverde (4) / Chad Pennington (3) Good football organizations? Just because they drafted a QB that wasn't bust, doesn't mean they were good organizations. It just means they got lucky their QB happened to work out for them. I can point where they failed numerous times in the first rounds. A lot of it is luck. Jets drafted Sanchez and he seemed like he was ready to take the next step until we took way all his WRs and stopped his development. Not many QBs have four playoff victories on their resumes. Its not like we haven't tried to find that franchise QB. We've just been unlucky. How are Patriots a good organization drafting their franchise QB in the 6th round? If they knew what he would become, I can assure you they would've picked him up in the first round even if the rest of the world thought he was a 6th round talent. Luck is very important when it comes to drafts. sh*tsburgh and Gnats aren't "good organizations" for drafting their QBs (technically, Giants didn't even draft Eli). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: Ben has passed for nearly 50,000 yards and you wanted to stick with Chad? Am I missing something? Most of all, were the Jets cajoled into believing that Ben would never be a better QB than Chad? OMG. SERIOUSLY? and the rest is history. We're stuck with the never ending windmill of over a dozen QBs since that draft, and the Steelers have won a Super Bowl and are a perennial contender. I'm a Jet fan, but come on . . . Are you people kidding me??? Personal attacks aside, you're either an idiot or a troll. Seriously - what kind of actual Jets fan would sign up to a message board with that user name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Ben has passed for nearly 50,000 yards and you wanted to stick with Chad? Am I missing something? Most of all, were the Jets cajoled into believing that Ben would never be a better QB than Chad? OMG. SERIOUSLY? and the rest is history. We're stuck with the never ending windmill of over a dozen QBs since that draft, and the Steelers have won a Super Bowl and are a perennial contender. I'm a Jet fan, but come on . . . Are you people kidding me??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Butt_Fumble Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Stop defending the Jets stupidity! Don't fool yourselves into believing it's all luck. Good organizational personnel in the front office make good moves. Bad front offices make moves like the Jets. As a fan, I have a right to be mad. Let's be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 11 hours ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: Gang Green missed out on a franchise QB when the Steelers draft Big Ben one pick before the Jets drafted Jonathan Vilma. The rest is history. Rnd. Pick # NFL team Player Pos. College Conf. Notes 1 1 San Diego Chargers Eli Manning † QB Ole Miss SEC traded to New York Giants[7] 1 2 Oakland Raiders Robert Gallery OT Iowa Big Ten 1 3 Arizona Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald † WR Pittsburgh Big East 1 4 New York Giants Philip Rivers † QB NC State ACC traded to San Diego[8] 1 5 Washington Redskins Sean Taylor † S Miami (FL) Big East Deceased 1 6 Cleveland Browns Kellen Winslow II † TE Miami (FL) Big East from Detroit[9] 1 7 Detroit Lions Roy Williams † WR Texas Big 12 from Cleveland[9] 1 8 Atlanta Falcons DeAngelo Hall † CB Virginia Tech Big East 1 9 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Williams WR Washington Pac-10 1 10 Houston Texans Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina SEC 1 11 Pittsburgh Steelers Ben Roethlisberger † QB Miami (OH) MAC 1 12 New York Jets Jonathan Vilma † LB Miami (FL) Big East Wasn't that the same draft that NE got Vince Wilfat in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 6 hours ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: Seriously? The good NFL franchises secure a QB they can build a team around for 15 years. The Jets, Bills, and Dolphins have failed to do that while teams like the Patriots, Giants, Packers, Saints, Falcons, Colts & Seahawks draft a franchise QB and win. It's rare to acquire A franchise QB via free agency or a trade like the Broncos did with Peyton Manning. When Gang Green acquired Farve, they had instant credibility. Even with Vinny Testaverde. Yet; both Farve & Testaverde did well, and succeeded until they had injuries. Real easy to talk about the teams who's draft picks become franchise QBs 10 years down the road. Lot harder the year Pennington was picked. The Giants etc at the time could just as easily drafter bums. Other than sucking the year that 3 franchise QBs were in the draft what did the Giants do to get theirs? They would have won picking any of the 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 The Colts drafted Elway, Peyton and Luck but are still a sh*tty franchise. Your argument is invalid. In fact, Elway was so sure the Colts were f*cked that he made sure he'd never have to play there. He then proceeded to win 3 Super Bowls with the Broncos: 2 as a player, 1 as GM (or VP, whatever). In that same span the Colts won just 1 Super Bowl, and that was only because they faced a team with Rex Grossman at QB. The Colts suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 3 hours ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: Ben has passed for nearly 50,000 yards and you wanted to stick with Chad? Yeah, I can't believe we passed on Roethlisberger! Or Rivers! Or Manning!! What were we thinking??? If we were any kind of good organization, we would have just run up to the podium before those guys, possibly wearing a disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 This thread is hilariously stupid. Like, it's actually entertaining. Bravo OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Butt_Fumble Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Ok. So the Jets passed on Teddy Bridgewater. We were JUST DUMB ENOUGH to pick Gene Smith. Even after watching him toss a mulligan the Pinstripe Bowl. And let me see if I understand what actually led to the infamous Butt Fumble. They draft him, and proceed to build no offense around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, The_Butt_Fumble said: Ok. So the Jets passed on Teddy Bridgewater. We were JUST DUMB ENOUGH to pick Gene Smith. Even after watching him toss a mulligan the Pinstripe Bowl. And let me see if I understand what actually led to the infamous Butt Fumble. They draft him, and proceed to build no offense around him. No offense, but a midget league QB knows enough not to slide into one of his offensive lineman's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 The best part of the OP is that "we haven't been able to get a franchise QB since 2004" -- as if this hasn't been going on since the 1970s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Interesting draft. So, knowing what we know now, the Jets are picking 6th, who do they pick? Ben obviously is an option. Teams back then let QBs linger for awhile, although he did play for Miami (OH). I think we are bummed if we get Kellen Winslow II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Talk about a bad pick......Da raidahs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 lol raiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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