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Been saying it all along. Not a thing is going to come of this and all you people who think the nfl is somehow losing - the Super Bowl will have its best ratings ever.

Of course it will.

 

And it appears that's all they care about which is sad. It has become the primary purpose for the NFL.. In the past it was more equalized, but not now.

 

The NFL, feeling that they are bulletproof, doesn't care about integrity and justice anymore.

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whether we root for the Pats or the Jets, it's safe to say are all die hards on this forum. Big football fans.

We have been pummeled with stories about spouse abuse, concussion, child beating, dog fighting, bathroom raping... what is or isn't a catch... etc. This doctoring of a football story seems tame and nice compared to all that

this story is for non football fans. People who don't know the game at all watch the Super Bowl and now my mom is asking about PSI. that's the kind of story this is. It's huge.

blaming the media for covering of the biggest stories in the country? Cmon. It's not a conspiracy. It's entertainment.

Great post bit, just tell your mom that 2 pounds of PSI is the equivelent of missing one strand of hair when she goes to the hairdresser.

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I'm sure Bellichec and Brady will care no one believes they didn't cheat hoisting their 4th Tainted lombardi

They won't care , all I'm saying is his attempt to squash this isn't going to work...all this did ( just like Clemens ) was stir the hornets nest more....the mainstream media can't wait to blow this up next week.
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I thought it was 15% less the normal weight..thats more than one strand isnt it? 

 

Actually, it isn't the weight. It's the air pressure inside of the ball. As far as extra weight, we're talking the weight of the extra air that has to be squeezed into the ball to raise the pressure 2 psi. Probably a fraction of an ounce. A small fraction.

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Patriots Always Keep a Tight Grip on the Ball Since 2010, New England Has the Lowest Fumble Rate in the NFL
 
With the Deflategate scandal rocking the sports world, WSJ reporter Geoff Foster performs a quasi-scientific experiment to see who is to blame.
By 
MICHAEL SALFINO
Updated Jan. 24, 2015 9:13 a.m. ET

One of the many questions surrounding “Deflategate”—the controversy that has engulfed the New England Patriots—concerns what advantage an NFL team would gain from using a deflated football. Numerous players have said a softer ball is easier to grip, and a ball that’s easier to grip is harder to drop

New England coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady both denied ever purposely using footballs that were inflated below the NFL minimum. But on the basis of the allegations, the Count looked at the fumble rate of the Patriots compared with the rest of the league. 

New England has had an uncanny ability to hold on to the football for quite some time. According to data compiled by Warren Sharp of Sharp Football Analysis, the Patriots fumble far less than any other team that plays outdoors, where the elements can make the football harder to handle. Beginning in the 2010 season, Patriots players have fumbled (whether lost or recovered) once every 73 touches from scrimmage, which is 52% better than the league average. The next best team is the Ravens, who have fumbled once every 55 touches. 

Additionally, according to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3).

The Patriots didn’t return a request for comment. 

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Of course, Belichick is strict disciplinarian when it comes to holding on the football, frequently benching running backs who dare to put the ball on the ground. But other NFL head coaches aren’t exactly cavalier about the practice. 

And it’s not only ball carriers who can potentially benefit. Quarterbacks are frequent fumblers when sacked. But while the average passer fumbles once every 7.3 sacks, Brady’s rate is once every 9.1, an improvement of nearly 25%. 

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CHARLES HILL 43 minutes ago
 
 

Interesting. The standard deviation of this distribution is 7.3. The Patriots are more than 3 standard deviations above the mean, which makes them a major statistical outlier. The probability that the superior performance of the Patriots on this measure is not due to chance is greater than 99.7%. They are either remarkably more skilled than every other NFL team, or they routinely play with deflated balls, or some combination of the two.   

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Actually, it isn't the weight. It's the air pressure inside of the ball. As far as extra weight, we're talking the weight of the extra air that has to be squeezed into the ball to raise the pressure 2 psi. Probably a fraction of an ounce. A small fraction.

 

the mass of some air is miniscule.  I think polians point has more to do with the force needed to grip the ball leading to fatigue 

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Bill Polian was awesome this morning on Sirius

 

He also explained that a deflated football also helps relieve arm fatigue.

Interesting. This also means even though Brady had to use properly inflated balls in the 2nd half, his arm wasn't as tired as Luck's arm. He still had an advantage.

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The ball boys used in the Super Bowls are impartial and hired by the NFL, as opposed to all other games (including the conference championships) where the teams supply their own.

In the Cheatriots 2007 season, is it simply coincidence after averaging around 35 points per game, they were suddenly held to 14 points?

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Patriots Always Keep a Tight Grip on the Ball Since 2010, New England Has the Lowest Fumble Rate in the NFL
 
With the Deflategate scandal rocking the sports world, WSJ reporter Geoff Foster performs a quasi-scientific experiment to see who is to blame.
By 
MICHAEL SALFINO
Updated Jan. 24, 2015 9:13 a.m. ET

One of the many questions surrounding “Deflategate”—the controversy that has engulfed the New England Patriots—concerns what advantage an NFL team would gain from using a deflated football. Numerous players have said a softer ball is easier to grip, and a ball that’s easier to grip is harder to drop

New England coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady both denied ever purposely using footballs that were inflated below the NFL minimum. But on the basis of the allegations, the Count looked at the fumble rate of the Patriots compared with the rest of the league. 

New England has had an uncanny ability to hold on to the football for quite some time. According to data compiled by Warren Sharp of Sharp Football Analysis, the Patriots fumble far less than any other team that plays outdoors, where the elements can make the football harder to handle. Beginning in the 2010 season, Patriots players have fumbled (whether lost or recovered) once every 73 touches from scrimmage, which is 52% better than the league average. The next best team is the Ravens, who have fumbled once every 55 touches. 

Additionally, according to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3).

The Patriots didn’t return a request for comment. 

Advertisement
 

Of course, Belichick is strict disciplinarian when it comes to holding on the football, frequently benching running backs who dare to put the ball on the ground. But other NFL head coaches aren’t exactly cavalier about the practice. 

And it’s not only ball carriers who can potentially benefit. Quarterbacks are frequent fumblers when sacked. But while the average passer fumbles once every 7.3 sacks, Brady’s rate is once every 9.1, an improvement of nearly 25%. 

NA-CE410_COUNT_G_20150123170332.jpgENLARGE
 
 

 

 
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CHARLES HILL 43 minutes ago
 
 

Interesting. The standard deviation of this distribution is 7.3. The Patriots are more than 3 standard deviations above the mean, which makes them a major statistical outlier. The probability that the superior performance of the Patriots on this measure is not due to chance is greater than 99.7%. They are either remarkably more skilled than every other NFL team, or they routinely play with deflated balls, or some combination of the two.   

 

Wonder why the Jets have such a high fumble rate?

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The guys over at Advanced NFL Statistics looked at the work Warren Sharp did regarding the Patriots** lack of fumbles. They pretty much agreed with his assessment that the Patriots** seem to fumble a lot less than other teams. He didn't conclude if it was due to coaching or having an unfair advantage. He did notice something had changed in 2007.

 

Anyhow, it's worth a read.

http://alturl.com/umq6s

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When are you guys gonna learn?  The game was different back when Joe was playing it.  They did not throw to backs very often back then.  They threw the ball downfield 10 or 15 yards mostly.  There were very few pick-6s back then because when the db intercepted, he had the whole offensive team in front of him to get through.  Now a lot of ints are pick-6s because the db is only five yards from the line of scrimmage when he intercepts, two steps and he's past anybody who can catch him going for the TD.

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