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How Jets' Christian Hackenberg progressed while getting scout team reps with Bryce Petty out

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How Jets' Christian Hackenberg progressed while getting scout team reps with Bryce Petty out

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Christian Hackenberg is going through a rookie learning curve while resembling Sterling Archer. (Andrew Mills | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com)

By Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

FLORHAM PARK — Bryce Petty, the Jets' second-year, third-string quarterback, returned to full practice participation Thursday. 

Before that, and since Petty's shoulder injury near the end of the preseason, rookie Christian Hackenberg had received a lot of scout team reps — a beneficial experience for Hackenberg, who is a project player.

Hackenberg and backup Geno Smith shared scout team reps while Petty was sidelined. But Smith also got reps with the starters, in case something happened to No. 1 quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Now, Petty and Hackenberg will share scout team reps. 

Hackenberg didn't get a lot of practice reps during the preseason, so playing frequently with the scout team during this stretch really helped him. 

The Jets will enter this offseason with Petty and Hackenberg as their only quarterbacks guaranteed to be under contract for 2017, so they need them to progress. And in the preseason, Hackenberg looked like he had a long way to go before he would be ready to play in an NFL game. 

"I think it's good just to be able to get in the flow of practice and actually do it," Hackenberg told NJ Advance Media. "You can only do so much seeing and watching. That's been the coolest part, is being able to take the things I've learned in the film room and try to apply them." 

The obvious issue with running scout team plays is that Hackenberg isn't executing the Jets' offense. Rather, he is mimicking the opponent's offense against the Jets' first-team defense. Still, this is valuable learning time for him. 

"I think any rep against a live defense has been really good," Hackenberg said. "It's helped me and I think it's going to continue to help me." 

The scout team experience has at least let Hackenberg get more work reading a defense, based on the coverage scenario. 

"I think it's just seeing the big picture, seeing the defense, understanding the timing of it and where to go," he said. "If you can process that, whether it's complete or not, I think that's a win for me." 

Offensive coordinator Chan Gailey has said he doesn't want to perhaps overhaul Hackenberg's mechanics until the offseason. And Hackenberg said that's something the coaches haven't worked with him on just yet. :o:blink::angry:

But during the season, Hackenberg said, "we tweak little things."

He sits down once a week with quarterbacks coach Kevin Patullo, and they talk about mechanical tweaks. 

"Just try something different," Hackenberg said. "Obviously, you're doing something right to get here. So making a drastic change is hard, especially if you've been doing it for as long as a lot of us have. It's just really trying to find the little things that work. Kevin and I kind of bounce ideas off of each other." 

Hackenberg knows he must do a lot of work himself in the offseason, when he plans to again work with quarterbacks coach Jordan Palmer, the younger brother of Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer, whom the Jets will face Monday. 

In the meantime, Hackenberg is taking mental notes on his mechanical errors in practice, and filing them away for the offseason. The goal, said Hackenberg, is to "have a really good plan going into this offseason." 

It will be a critical juncture in his NFL career, after a rookie year spent as a practice player. 

Darryl Slater may be reached at dslater@njadvancemedia.com.

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he seems to have the appropriate work ethic and attitude, the physical measurable and arm were always a given. 

 

It's the intangibles that matter most at the QB position, otherwise Fitzy wouldn't have the support from teammates he does over the other throwing non-running " 'back" in the room. 

 

As much as posters hate Hackenberg, I maintain faith that he may pan out. 

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The article is not very encouraging of how our CS views Hack but I like the kids attitude. Why not work on his mechanics this year with so much limited time in OTA's and training camp. If they want this kid to start next year they better have a plan. Maybe they see him as a two year project. I will reserve all judgement until I see him play but it's definitely concerning.

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His freshman year was the greatest for a first-year quarterback in Penn State history. Under the tutelage of Bill O'Brien, Hackenberg went 231-for-392, good for a 58.9% completion percentage, with 2,955 yards, 20 touchdowns, and 10 interceptions. The Nittany Lions went 7-5 that year with arguably the two biggest wins of Hackenberg's collegiate career: at home in four overtimes against Michigan and on the road against Wisconsin when the Nittany Lions were 24-point underdogs.

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Why not let him work on mechanical tweaks now since he's not playing this year ??  They're just going to let him sit there for a season and then next offseason first start working on his mechanics??  Not saying I "know better" or anything but this certainly seems strange to me.  If Chan doesn't have time for him during the season (which I could understand) why can't they hire a QB mechanics specialist type guy (which I would have to believe exists).

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9 minutes ago, BroadwayJoe12 said:

If his mechanics are so banged up, what exactly did Palmer do with him for all those months, every single day. You'd think that would have been an appropriate time to tweak his mechanics. 

Tom Brady still works on his mechanics.

It's not a switch one just flips and they're either good or bad mechanics. Muscle memory requires constant repetition, refinement and recalibration. If his mechancis were an F when he started working with Palmer, they may have been a C when he arrived at the Jets this summer. The Jets may only get him from C to B- this year. The closer you get to A, the slower and harder the increments of improvement are, which is why we're not all ******* star athletes.

This is the reality of it. I would guess that we've got 10-12 months of ignorance about mechanics on our near horizon... not singling you out here, because I don't count you as such, but I think the mouth-breathers will definitely take this narrative and run it into the ground.

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19 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

he seems to have the appropriate work ethic and attitude, the physical measurable and arm were always a given. 

 

It's the intangibles that matter most at the QB position, otherwise Fitzy wouldn't have the support from teammates he does over the other throwing non-running " 'back" in the room. 

 

As much as posters hate Hackenberg, I maintain faith that he may pan out. 

I'm with you.  I just hope he gets quality coaching (and plenty of it).  I remember guy on YouTube who reviews players (he does really good videos at least from what I can see) said he was a 1st round talent.  He said the best way to describe Hack was that he's a "brain".  Apparently he's also very hard-working too.  Obviously the physical attributes are there as well.  I'd like to see the CS give some real focus to developing Hack instead of (seemingly) just relegating him to a project in the offseason.  I'd like to see him actually play next year rather than first change his mechanics.  This just doesn't seem like it's going to go well.  But hopefully Hack can overcome.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Joe Jets fan said:

This is why I can not understand why Geno is still on this team.  It's stunting the growth of the two young qbs by taking away there reps.  There is no good reason to still have him on this team. 

 

Excellent point. I did not even think about that

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5 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

This is why I can not understand why Geno is still on this team.  It's stunting the growth of the two young qbs by taking away there reps.  There is no good reason to still have him on this team. 

Except for the fact he's the only other QB who has actually played in a real NFL game the other 2 haven't.. Hopefully Petty gets a shot this season..

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6 minutes ago, DonCorleone said:

 

Excellent point. I did not even think about that

Which is actually a good thing, because it is not in fact an excellent point. Yes, more reps for one guy means less for the other two. No, this was not lost on anybody previously. If the assumption when Hackenberg is drafted in the first place is that they must know something we don't, why is that not also the assumption when they subsequently won't let him anywhere near a helmet?

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1 hour ago, Larz said:

once a week coaching, the sky's the limit lol

this ******* franchise

Noticed that too.  Why not add another coach to the staff to make sure he's getting more work in throughout the week.

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1 minute ago, AFJF said:

Noticed that too.  Why not add another coach to the staff to make sure he's getting more work in throughout the week.

Don't you think that if this was actually going to accomplish anything they'd have done it already? How is it that I think everybody associated with this team is retarded and I still give them more credit than the people who think they're geniuses?

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1 hour ago, BroadwayJoe12 said:

If his mechanics are so banged up, what exactly did Palmer do with him for all those months, every single day. You'd think that would have been an appropriate time to tweak his mechanics. 

This part really concerns me. When did (the other) Palmer become this expert QB fixer or tutor? From what I understood they spent no time before the draft working on fundamentals or mechanics, they prepared as though he had that part covered already and were getting ready for a game, breaking down a defense etc. How on earth would that prepare you for the draft????? To me that is totally putting the cart before the horse, at best, and at worst a total waste of time. Obviously he was not with the Jets at that point so they had no say over the matter but I'm hoping he can do better this off season with coaching. And this Patullo guy doesn't fill me with any confidence either. 

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10 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Noticed that too.  Why not add another coach to the staff to make sure he's getting more work in throughout the week.

Yes, one who specializes in breaking down, then rebuilding, mechanics. And footwork 

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1 hour ago, nico002 said:

Are you ******* kidding me? He isn't practicing but doesn't have time to work on mechanics?

I don't think it's him that doesn't have the time, rather the team and coaches not having time for him 

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8 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Don't you think that if this was actually going to accomplish anything they'd have done it already? How is it that I think everybody associated with this team is retarded and I still give them more credit than the people who think they're geniuses?

No. 

Because there seems to be a disconnect between the FO and CS 

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2 hours ago, SAR I said:

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His freshman year was the greatest for a first-year quarterback in Penn State history. Under the tutelage of Bill O'Brien, Hackenberg went 231-for-392, good for a 58.9% completion percentage, with 2,955 yards, 20 touchdowns, and 10 interceptions. The Nittany Lions went 7-5 that year with arguably the two biggest wins of Hackenberg's collegiate career: at home in four overtimes against Michigan and on the road against Wisconsin when the Nittany Lions were 24-point underdogs.

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Get rid of Fitzpatrick ASAP so Hack can have his # ..............

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Just now, joewilly12 said:

Thats a no brainer until we find that guy. 

Which is why people saying that Macc is tied to Hackenberg is ridiculous. 

Deep draft at QB

Watson, Kizer, Kaaya, Chad Kelly

Plus some interesting gems. Trubisky from UNC, Dobbs from Tennessee, Terrell from Western MIchigan. And more

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Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

Which is why people saying that Macc is tied to Hackenberg is ridiculous. 

Deep draft at QB

Watson, Kizer, Kaaya, Chad Kelly

Plus some interesting gems. Trubisky from UNC, Dobbs from Tennessee, Terrell from Western MIchigan. And more

I think picking him in round 2 is whats questionable when we needed immediate impact players at other positions, 

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