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NFLPA: Work stoppage in 2021 'almost a virtual certainty'

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14 hours ago, NoBowles said:

The NFL just keeps going further and further downhill. The product is a shell of what it was. Both sides are greedy and short sighted. Gambling is the only thing keeping it as high as it is.

Fantasy.

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Without gambling & fantasy the NFL would be looked at much differently in 2021. As a life long fan, the game just isn't that good & its getting worse. There are not enough good QBs and the rules have skewed to the offense. Half the teams in this league can't score points because their QBs suck. Meanwhile we get to watch Tom Brady kill everyone each & every year & skate into the playoffs with home field advantage 75% of the time.

Hes not playing teams even close to as good as their was in years past like Walsh 49ers or the Jimmy Johnsons Cowboys. How many prime time games did you turn off at halftime last year? For me it was more than ever. The over saturation of information & games, Monday, Thursday, Sunday (3 games), is overkill. I love coming to this board to see what's happening with the Jets because I refuse to watch NFL Network, or any show on ESPN regarding the NFL.

And like someone else mentioned it will be just our luck that Hackenberg turns into a fine QB, the Jets are touted as Super Bowl contenders & the NFL goes on strike. That would probably be the last nail in the coffin for me regarding the NFL.

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8 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Batshlt women that the police didn't take seriously?  When was this? 

From profootballtalk:

Via Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports, the report contains a text-message exchange in which Thompson discusses with a friend the idea of selling sex tapes of herself and Elliott. At one point, the friend says, “[W]e could blackmail him w[ith] that.”

Says Thompson in response: “I want to bro.”

Thompson also admitted to registering an email address with the title “ezekielelliot sex vids.”

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32 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

The NFLPA has ALWAYS caved and will again.

I've agreed with that position for years,  but this time I think the players are far more united and emboldened. I am not saying they will get the Owners to cave on all of their demands but they will certainly negotiate a better deal....better, not good. 

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12 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I've agreed with that position for years,  but this time I think the players are far more united and emboldened. I am not saying they will get the Owners to cave on all of their demands but they will certainly negotiate a better deal....better, not good. 

The NFL players are seeing JAGs getting $80 million guaranteed contracts in the NBA and MLB.  They will be out for blood

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I think you guys have it all wrong; the whole purpose of this is to cover up for the fact that the players association is planning on a short season in 2021 because Brady will be 44 and they want to give him a chance to win another SB. You know, at 44, he likely can't play a full season... :-)

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3 hours ago, shawn306 said:

The NFLPA has ALWAYS caved and will again.

Of course they will.  Most careers last 6-8 years.  A player who is just off his rookie contract at 28 YO sure doesn't want to sit out a prime multi million dollar year.

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14 hours ago, Dunnie said:

player safety ... the game is dangerous .... that's why they are paid ludicrous amounts of money.


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Yep,  The dangerous high speed collisions are the reason people watch.  When the NFl takes all the violence out of football, there won't be very many fans. The Chess World Cup 2017 is in 2 weeks.  How many people are going to not watch NFL to catch it?

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DeMaurice Smith is one of the worst NFLPA heads to ever hold the position. He's had his *ss handed to him in every negotiation. His genius plan to negotiate the last CBA for maximum money and then attempt to sue on a bunch of other issues completely and utterly crapped the bed. Now he's going to lead the players into an unpopular holdout (oh, sorry, "Lockout") which will have the players cave much harder than before based on pipe dreams of NBA/MLB contracts. 

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Dont know what anyone expected the NFLPA to say.  "Hey, no matter what you pull off the table or whatever changes we want that you ignore, we'll never strike."

Putting the idea in the owners heads is exactly what any union should do

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3 hours ago, thadude said:

The NFL players are seeing JAGs getting $80 million guaranteed contracts in the NBA and MLB.  They will be out for blood

They can be out for whatever they want, different sports different pay structures.  If they want that be a jag in the NBA.  Only 11 players and 80 games to make money plus lots more games on tv.  They will also not ever get guaranteed contracts unless all contracts are capped at 2 years.  With the rate of injuries you have 5 - 10 players injured and under 5 - 7 year contracts and you will soon be bankrupt.

 

If the players think long term healthcare and pensions are important push for a 5% contribution of their salaries and a matching 5% by the owners to fund it.  I would bet their greed will speak louder than their conviction.

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14 hours ago, thadude said:

Yeah those potheads like Josh Gordon and Aldon Smith are a real menace 2 society

Oh yeah because that's all Aldon Smith has ever done.  He's a shining beacon of innocence who is just being targeted by the big bad NFL for smoking the Devil's Lettuce:

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Poor Aldon.

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Funny thing about the brinkmanship and all the idiotic posturing on both sides of the table is that in almost every case you could write down what the agreement will be at the beginning of the negotiation and be about 95% correct. But the lawyers will sue to end the anti-trust exemption. DSmith and Goodell will call each other names for 6 months, storm out of meetings, issue inflammatory statements, some really rich veteran will become the voice of the veterans against the evil owner, and at some point, likely at the last possible timeframe to get TC in, one of the name owners like Kraft or Jones, Mara or Rooney will get everyone together and they will all have this amazing bonding session fueled by the losses of millions of dollars and come to an "agreement in principle" likely almost exactly like you knew it would be at the beginning.

I suspect in the next go-around

Players will get some easing of the franchise tag rules

The player conduct policy will be better defined but the commissioner will be in charge

Salary cap will stay and overall revenue sharing will stay at largely same percentage, but there might be some sort of QB salary cap adjustment or discounted cap hit for QBs to allow for more money for other players and keep QBs with their teams

Rosters may be expanded by a couple

The NFL will NEVER have guaranteed contracts. It could never work. Enough of the smaller market teams would never agree to a non salary cap structure in the NFL either.  

But we will hear literally years of useless rhetoric threats and melodrama before they all sign on the ling that is dotted.

 

 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Greensince69 said:

They can be out for whatever they want, different sports different pay structures.  If they want that be a jag in the NBA.  Only 11 players and 80 games to make money plus lots more games on tv.  They will also not ever get guaranteed contracts unless all contracts are capped at 2 years.  With the rate of injuries you have 5 - 10 players injured and under 5 - 7 year contracts and you will soon be bankrupt.

 

If the players think long term healthcare and pensions are important push for a 5% contribution of their salaries and a matching 5% by the owners to fund it.  I would bet their greed will speak louder than their conviction.

Fun fact:

NFL League revenue 2016: $13 Billion

NBA League Revenue 2016: $8 billion

MLB Revenue 2016: $9 billion

 

And in regards to your point about the NFL rosters having more players yes but NBA and MLB have minor leagues they also have to pay for that have hundreds of players on salary

 

NFL players are getting screwed

 

 

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1 hour ago, thadude said:

Fun fact:

NFL League revenue 2016: $13 Billion

NBA League Revenue 2016: $8 billion

MLB Revenue 2016: $9 billion

 

And in regards to your point about the NFL rosters having more players yes but NBA and MLB have minor leagues they also have to pay for that have hundreds of players on salary

 

NFL players are getting screwed

 

 

Screw me like that baby, I am sorry the avg salary is "Only" 2.1 mill a year

Some more fun facts

NFL Players salary per game   131,200

NBA                                       62,500

MLB                                        27,500

 

If NFL plays avg was at NBA or MLB the total salary cost would be 8 - 10 billion, yea the owners are going to give that up.

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18 hours ago, thadude said:

Yeah those potheads like Josh Gordon and Aldon Smith are a real menace 2 society

Yes, because when I say "rapists, thugs, wife beaters, drug addicts" I REALLY mean those guys who toke a joint once in a while.

Yep, you really exposed me.

 

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17 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

The NFLPA represents their players. Their players come from bad neighborhoods and are coached up to be "killers" on the field. To blame the NFLPA for doing their job is  ludicrous. Do you blame lawyers that represent murders and rapists? 

Should the NFLPA come out in defense of some batsh!t women that the police didn't take seriously enough to press chargers? 

And now you know why Unions can go to hell and burn.  They are a unique form of evil all their own who do little to nothing for the good, and everything for the bad, among their membership.

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18 hours ago, thadude said:

If Goodell is still the commissioner in 2021 this is absolutely going to happen.  He has no idea how to handle this effectively.

Stephen Bannon is available .. :o .. is he worse ?

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5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Dont know what anyone expected the NFLPA to say.  "Hey, no matter what you pull off the table or whatever changes we want that you ignore, we'll never strike."

Putting the idea in the owners heads is exactly what any union should do

However, the other side would know this is posturing and won't believe it so you end up making your negotiation harder because they now can't be sure they can believe your words. It doesn't put the idea in the owners heads. I'd imagine this is more likely a statement for the players/fans.

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22 hours ago, jetscrazey said:

Let them strike, or lock out.  Players take all the risk and are subject to ridiculous policies under the current CBA.

Medical marijuana?  No, that's dangerous.  Here, take another heap of percocets instead....

Player safety?  Yeah, we take that seriously.  Now how about we add 2 more games to the schedule...

Exactly right.  And people are upset at Revis for "being greedy".  

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26 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Exactly right.  And people are upset at Revis for "being greedy".  

By people you mean some Jet fans.  Football fans think he played his hand right and maximized his earnings.  

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