kevinc855 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 “But they have a plan” “ their front office gets it” “they have a good coach” and my favorite best from the cluseless tank crowd “they are years ahead of the jets in development” hahahhahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Even on our bye week you make multiple threads on stupid topics, 45 minutes between their creation. Also: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Ok guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adb280z Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 The Browns are on of the most incompetent franchises in sports. Doesn't mean the tank crowd was offbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I'm confused by the general point of the thread. Wouldn't the tank crowd still think Browns are doing it right? They've stock piled picks, have a ton of young talent they're actually playing, are playing a terrible rookie QB and are poised for the #1 overall pick. If you're trying to stick it to the tank crowd, I think you're doing it wrong. Unless this is a, "hey guys, at least we're not the Browns thread" and if that's the case, then lets throw a mother ******* party in here!!! WHOOOOHOOOO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 minute ago, JiF said: I'm confused by the general point of the thread. Wouldn't the tank crowd still think Browns are doing it right? They've stock piled picks, have a ton of young talent they're actually playing, are playing a terrible rookie QB and are poised for the #1 overall pick. If you're trying to stick it to the tank crowd, I think you're doing it wrong. Unless this is a, "hey guys, at least we're not the Browns thread" and if that's the case, then lets throw a mother ******* party in here!!! WHOOOOHOOOO. All that young talent and picks have resulted in 1 win in 2 years is my point. It’s a terrible philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, adb280z said: The Browns are on of the most incompetent franchises in sports. Doesn't mean the tank crowd was offbase. Yes, and in the same way, it does not mean that they are correct in that mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adb280z Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: All that young talent and picks have resulted in 1 win in 2 years is my point. It’s a terrible philosophy The Tank crowd wants a QB. The Browns haven't drafted a top QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Just now, kevinc855 said: All that young talent and picks have resulted in 1 win in 2 years is my point. It’s a terrible philosophy So you're against having young talent and draft picks? Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: “But they have a plan” “ their front office gets it” “they have a good coach” and my favorite best from the cluseless tank crowd “they are years ahead of the jets in development” hahahhahahaha “Because we aren’t as bad as the browns “ is not a good argument ?. I think the jets should win 6 games every yr, just enough not to make the playoffs, but in a draft position where BPA says another dback ?. Or if mac is thinking of trading up, more wins means more draft picks we have to give up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: “But they have a plan” “ their front office gets it” “they have a good coach” and my favorite best from the cluseless tank crowd “they are years ahead of the jets in development” hahahhahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, JiF said: So you're against having young talent and draft picks? Got it. What talent? They are 0-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, adb280z said: The Tank crowd wants a QB. The Browns haven't drafted a top QB. Pretty sure that when they drafted Kizer in the 2nd round, they thought he was their guy. Fact is he is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Speaks volumes for that organization, they really don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: “But they have a plan” “ their front office gets it” “they have a good coach” and my favorite best from the cluseless tank crowd “they are years ahead of the jets in development” hahahhahahaha Hopefully this will explain it to you: The Green Bay Packers with Aaron Rodgers are a legit Superbowl contender. The Green Bay Packers without Aaron Rodgers are probably a 5-6 win team. The Browns are in line to get the #1 pick in the draft that has a potential FQB. Any questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 So Sam Darnold goes to the Browns instead of the Giants? I thought I read where he said "hell no he wont go". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT FAM. JETZZZ >>> BROWNS ALL DAY. JETUP BABY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 33 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: “But they have a plan” “ their front office gets it” “they have a good coach” and my favorite best from the cluseless tank crowd “they are years ahead of the jets in development” hahahhahahaha Boy, you sure showed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Let's look at the recent history of the 2017 World Series Champion Houston Astros. In 2014, you could've argued "the've had 3 consecutive 106+ loss seasons and followed it up with a 92 loss season. This proves tanking isn't worth it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: What talent? They are 0-10 So because they're winless, they have no talent? Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 46 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: “But they have a plan” “ their front office gets it” “they have a good coach” and my favorite best from the cluseless tank crowd “they are years ahead of the jets in development” hahahhahahaha You're super clueless but in a cute, but he's just a boyyy, sorta way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 As soon as Cleveland stops passing on FQBs they will be fine. Obviously, the HC/GM are getting fired this year. So the new FO/HC will be ready to compete. As long as they make the right choice at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Let's look at the recent history of the 2017 World Series Champion Houston Astros. In 2014, you could've argued "the've had 3 consecutive 106+ loss seasons and followed it up with a 92 loss season. This proves tanking isn't worth it". I will confess to being stupid in this scenariom Did the Astros plan to be bad, and it was in their blueprint for those years? What did they do in 2010 (and subsequent offseasons) that guaranteed them having the worst records? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Pcola said: As long as they make the right choice at 1. Hmmm. I am guessing those qb's carry a tag with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I will confess to being stupid in this scenariom Did the Astros plan to be bad, and it was in their blueprint for those years? What did they do in 2010 (and subsequent offseasons) that guaranteed them having the worst records? Forget the Underdog Label—the Astros Got to the World Series by Tanking https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/10/24/houston-astros-jeff-luhnow-jim-crane-tanking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Forget the Underdog Label—the Astros Got to the World Series by Tanking https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/10/24/houston-astros-jeff-luhnow-jim-crane-tanking That reads less like a "tank", but more so ineptitude. I am less willing to believe that they were "smart" and had a plan around draft pick lotteries (which in baseball is a VERY risky proposition). Now, they probably realized that their minors were bare, and decided to not go after free agent talent and to spend wisely. Seems sensible with a new owner. More relevant to this point, the differences between building a baseball team vs a football are so stark in contrast, that an analogy really can't be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: That reads less like a "tank", but more so ineptitude. I am less willing to believe that they were "smart" and had a plan around draft pick lotteries (which in baseball is a VERY risky proposition). Now, they probably realized that their minors were bare, and decided to not go after free agent talent and to spend wisely. Seems sensible with a new owner. More relevant to this point, the differences between building a baseball team vs a football are so stark in contrast, that an analogy really can't be made. Huh? Did you miss this line: They fielded a team with a $22 million payroll, by far the lowest in baseball, with a 34-year-old Erik Bedard the only player earning more than $1 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 The point of this thread is that tanking is more than getting top picks, you need to use those picks correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said: Boy, you sure showed them. It’s good to be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 58 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Let's look at the recent history of the 2017 World Series Champion Houston Astros. In 2014, you could've argued "the've had 3 consecutive 106+ loss seasons and followed it up with a 92 loss season. This proves tanking isn't worth it". They are the one team that has made it work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 48 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Forget the Underdog Label—the Astros Got to the World Series by Tanking https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/10/24/houston-astros-jeff-luhnow-jim-crane-tanking Big deal. They were an abomination for 4 years and it worked out for them. There are plenty of examples where teams are bottom feeders for a decade and getting those high draft picks doesn't translate into a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 OP is absolutely right. You know why the Browns are 0-6? Lack of heart. They just don’t want it enough. Culture. They have to be more like that guy from the Steve Hanft movie that Beck samples in “Loser.” All right, they’re bad because they have crummy players. Some of them young and promising, but crummy (especially at quarterback). Which brings us to the core of this whole computer-generated, draft-pick-hoarding rebuild: Can you take a group of young players, break them in on teams that lose 13-plus games every season, and ever turn it around? As we’re reminded of on a weekly basis, the difference between, say, the NFL’s fifth-best team and 25th-best team is razor-thin. If you have Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, or if you have a historically great defense as a whole, you can consistently win. Otherwise . . . But I think there’s something to be said for the psychological beatdown of getting your butt handed to you on a weekly basis, something that causes players to lose a little bit of that edge, to trust guys around them just a little less than they should (Do Your Job!) and figure out ways to lose games that they should win. It's something that, for the lack of more specific reasoning, makes the core of a franchise rotten. The Browns are going to be really bad this year. They’ll probably be bad next year. They’ve been collecting all these draft picks, stockpiling talented young players, but even if they’re ready to compete for a playoff spot in three years (an optimistic timetable) these guys are going to be coming off their rookie deals. Are they going to flush out large parts of the team when that happens and replace them with more of those stockpiled draft picks? If they do that, will they ever surround their next franchise quarterback with a group of home-grown players who have done anything besides lose a lot of games? And if so, will they ever stop inspiring runs of poorly written rhetorical questions? Maybe Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen is the next Tom Brady/Aaron Rodgers, they single-handedly lift the franchise and then all this losing is forgotten forever. But, in all likelihood, the next quarterback’s ceiling will fall somewhere on that second tier, someone who needs a strong team around him. And then what do you have? (I ask that rhetorically.) https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/21/week-7-brett-hundley-first-start-packers-saints-atlanta-falcons-tom-brady-super-bowl-rematch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: All that young talent and picks have resulted in 1 win in 2 years is my point. It’s a terrible philosophy Guys, draft picks................are Bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adb280z Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: They are the one team that has made it work The Royals made it work too. The core of that team: Hosmer, Moustakas, Gordon were all drafted before in the 1st 3 picks of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 minute ago, RevisIsland610 said: Big deal. They were an abomination for 4 years and it worked out for them. There are plenty of examples where teams are bottom feeders for a decade and getting those high draft picks doesn't translate into a championship. There is nothing wrong with tanking. But you still need to draft well and make some good free agent moves. And you can't tank for 5 years. You can tank for one or two years Max. After that the guys you originally tanked for will be up for big contracts already or worn down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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