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7 minutes ago, Lith said:

Need a mod to do it (I was a mod on the other site but not here).  @nycdan

actually @nycdan i think maybe we should leave it for a bit... stuff stickied at the top quickly becomes ignored from those not involved. Let it roll through the regular feed for now please

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3 minutes ago, Lith said:

Posted earlier in the thread - random matchups:

17 JetsFan80
13 Jetlife33
   
2 New York Mick
3 HawkeyeJet
   
18 #27theDominator
21 Stark
   
9 UntouchableCrew
16 Sourceworx
   
22 Greenwich Jet Fan
5 T0mShane
   
15 KingP
6 HessStation
   
10 BigO
19 Long Island Leprechaun
   
14 Obrien2Toon
12 JiF
   
11 nycdan
7 Patriot Killa
   
4 Paradis
20 Dunnie
   
8 nyjunc
1 ballinpb

I adjusted the matchups so junc and ballinPB go head to head since neither one has finished their lineup.

 

Sorry, meant the actual voting mechanism.  Found it tho in other thread.  Thanks Lith, my future fellow Iowan .  You have a farmers work ethic, you will fit right in!

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1 hour ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

BigO vs. Long Island Leprechaun.

So my first task is to game plan for Jim Thorpe. You can't make this stuff up...

Seriously, should be a challenging match up. But I'm wondering how Arnie Weinmeister is going to feel after he encounters Earl Campbell.

Here he is on the Bay Bridge right after he heard the news:

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Here's one of Arnie running full tilt. Earl Campbell is just out of the picture, chasing him:

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Hi Steve!

 

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33 minutes ago, Lith said:

Posted earlier in the thread - random matchups:

17 JetsFan80
13 Jetlife33
   
2 New York Mick
3 HawkeyeJet
   
18 #27theDominator
21 Stark
   
9 UntouchableCrew
16 Sourceworx
   
22 Greenwich Jet Fan
5 T0mShane
   
15 KingP
6 HessStation
   
10 BigO
19 Long Island Leprechaun
   
14 Obrien2Toon
12 JiF
   
11 nycdan
7 Patriot Killa
   
4 Paradis
20 Dunnie
   
8 nyjunc
1 ballinpb

I adjusted the matchups so junc and ballinPB go head to head since neither one has finished their lineup.

 

How many match ups are you doing a day?

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1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said:

The Jeteyes

QB-Terry Bradshaw

RB-Thurman Thomas

FB-Mike Alstott

WR-Fred Biletnikoff

WR-John Stallworth

TE-Jackie Smith

LT-Art Shell

LG-Bruce Matthews

C-Jim Ringo 

RG-Jim Tyrer

RT-Damien Woody

Defense

DE-Lee Roy Selmon

NT-Kyle Williams

DE-Jerome Brown

OLB-Lawrence Taylor

ILB-Zach Thomas

ILB-Nick Buoniconti

OLB-Andre Tippett

CB-Charles Woodson

CB-Richard Sherman

S-Yale Lary

S-Mark Carrier

Offense is a balanced attacking utilizing both RBS in the run game.  Passing game is heavy on play action, and spreading the targets evenly, including both RBs.

3-4 Defense 

Great pressure defense. Taylor and Tippett with Selmon on the line... like it!

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35 minutes ago, Jetlife33 said:

Having trouble making a spreadsheet, sorry guys. Can I just type in here my players names with positions and what offense/defense ill be running?

yup.  whatever works.

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OFFENSE

QB : Peyton Manning

RB : LaDainian Tomlinson

WR : Marvin Harrison

WR : Don Maynard 

WR : Jarvis Landry 

TE : Greg Olson 

LT : Walter Jones

LG : Andrew Norwell 

C : Bulldog Turner 

RG : Brandon Brooks 

RT : Mitchell Schwartz 

 

DEFENSE

DE : Fred Dean 

DT : Henry Jordan 

DE : Shaun Ellis 

OLB : Clay Matthews 

MLB : Ray Nitschke 

MLB : David Harris 

OLB : Khalil Mack 

CB : Mike Haynes 

CB : Dick LeBeau 

S : Jack Tatum

S : Kam Chancellor 

 

OFFENSE : ACE Formation offense that Peyton ran all of those years in INDY with a heavy amount of flexing the TE. 

DEFENSE : Heavy 3-4 Zone Blitz defense, with plenty of Cover 2 man against two WR sets. 

 

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3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

F*ckin @Jetlife33.  Peyton, Tomlinson, Nitschke, Khalil Mack, Tatum....you're gonna be a tough out.  You might have me beat. 

Definitely a cool matchup to start things off, you've put together an awesome team! I have to admit I did better than I thought I would looking at my final roster, so I'm pleased with myself whatever happens in this tournament :) 

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3 hours ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Bruce Smith, I'm afraid of. But he's not on your team. But I get the point. Poor Steve got a lot of concussions back in those days

Ever heard of Julius Peppers  The freak of nature 154 sacks. Alan Page estimated at 168 Mathis at 122 Weinmeister elite DT run stopper in his era. I would rethink that statement. 

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2 hours ago, Jetlife33 said:

Definitely a cool matchup to start things off, you've put together an awesome team! I have to admit I did better than I thought I would looking at my final roster, so I'm pleased with myself whatever happens in this tournament :) 

Definitely don’t wanna face you, Hess OR King P lol.

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7 hours ago, HessStation said:

Here’s my personal greatest team all time line up just for sh*ts and giggles:

QB: Dan Marino

FB: Jim Brown

RB: Bo Jackson

TE: Shannon Sharpe

WR: Jerry Rice

WR: Randy Moss

LT: Anthony Munoz

LG:  John Hannah

OC: Mike Webster 

RG: Larry Allen

RT: Orlando Pace 

 

3-4 Defense:

DE: Reggie White

NT: Vince Wilkfork

DE: Bruce Smith

OLB: LT

ILB: Ray Lewis 

ILB: Junior Seau 

OLB: Derrick Thomas

CB: Deion Sanders 

CB: Rod Woodson 

FS: Ronnie Lott

SS: Ed Reed

 

with 4-3 Front 

DE: Deacon Jones 

DT: Mean Joe Green

DT: Alan Page

DE: Reggie White

OLB: Ham

MLB: Singletary 

OLB: Brooks

Not exactly rocket ? science 

MLB Butkus > Sing

C Otto > Webster

Lambert > Seau 

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Not happy with a JIF first round matchup, good team and 

hes only a few pegs down from Tom for popularity on here, going to be tough to beat him

For whoever puts my team up

QB- Jim Kelly

HB- Walter Payton

FB- Larry Csonka 

WR- Tim Brown

WR- Herman Moore

TE- Todd Christensen 

LT- Willie Roaf

LG- Bill Fralic

C- Randy Cross

RG- Guy McIntyre

RT- Bruce Armstrong

4-3 

LE- Michael Straham

DT- Lyle Alzado

DT- Ray Childress

RE- Derrick Thomas

OLB- Jr Seau

MLB- Luke Kuechly

OLB- Carl Banks

CB- Merton Hanks

S- Kenny Easley

S- Leroy Butler

CB- James Hasty

 

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13 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Not happy with a JIF first round matchup, good team and 

hes only a few pegs down from Tom for popularity on here, going to be tough to beat him

For whoever puts my team up

QB- Jim Kelly

HB- Walter Payton

FB- Larry Csonka 

WR- Tim Brown

WR- Herman Moore

TE- Todd Christensen 

LT- Willie Roaf

LG- Bill Fralic

C- Randy Cross

RG- Guy McIntyre

RT- Bruce Armstrong

4-3 

LE- Michael Straham

DT- Lyle Alzado

DT- Ray Childress

RE- Derrick Thomas

OLB- Jr Seau

MLB- Luke Kuechly

OLB- Carl Banks

CB- Merton Hanks

S- Kenny Easley

S- Leroy Butler

CB- James Hasty

 

Nice balance 

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Whoever puts my team up...

Offense

QB: Aaron Rodgers

RB: Marshall Faulk

WR: Andre Johnson

WR: Roddy White

WR: Brandon Marshall (slot receiver)

TE: Antonio Gates

LT: Richmond Webb

LG: Mike Iupati

C - Jeff Saturday

RG: Josh Sitton

RT: Willie Anderson

4-3 Defense

DE: Bruce Smith

DT: Bryant Young

DT: Calais Campbell

DE: Simeon Rice

MIKE LB: Hardy Nickerson

SAM LB: Derrick Johnson

WILL LB: Lavonte David

CB: Aeneas Williams

CB: Nnamdi Asomugha

FS: Darren Sharper

SS: Rodney Harrison

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DE: Dwight Freeney, Colts

NT: Vince Wilfork, Patriots

DT: Clyde Simmons, Eagles

DE: Reggie White, Eagles, Packers

LB: Sean Lee, Cowboys

LB: Sam Mills, Saints, Panthers

OLB: Karl Mecklenburg, Broncos

CB: Champ Bailey, Redskins, Broncos

CB: Albert Lewis, Chiefs

FS: Ken Houston, Oilers, Redskins

SS: David Fulcher, Bengals

 

OLT: Jim Lachey, Redskins

OG: Max Montoya, Bengals, Raiders

Ctr: Kevin Mawae, Jets 

OG: Larry Allen, Cowboys

ORT: Erik Williams, Cowboys

TE: Keith Jackson, Eagles, Dolphins

WR: Al Toon, Jets

WR: Anquan Boldin, Cardinals

RB: Jamal Lewis, Ravens

RB: Tony Dorsett, Cowboys

QB: Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, King P said:

Whoever puts my team up...

Offense

QB: Aaron Rodgers

RB: Marshall Faulk

WR: Andre Johnson

WR: Roddy White

WR: Brandon Marshall (slot receiver)

TE: Antonio Gates

LT: Richmond Webb

LG: Mike Iupati

C - Jeff Saturday

RG: Josh Sitton

RT: Willie Anderson

4-3 Defense

DE: Bruce Smith

DT: Bryant Young

DT: Calais Campbell

DE: Simeon Rice

MIKE LB: Hardy Nickerson

SAM LB: Derrick Johnson

WILL LB: Lavonte David

CB: Aeneas Williams

CB: Nnamdi Asomugha

FS: Darren Sharper

SS: Rodney Harrison

You really don’t even need a match, you already won.?

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QB - Joe Montana 

RB - Marcus Allen

FB - Franco Harris

WR - Tory Holt 

WR - Stanley Morgan

TE - Mike Ditka

LT - Rosie Brown

LG - Billy Shaw

C - Jay Hilgenberg

RG - John Hannah 

RT - Dan Deirdorf 

 

DE - Chris Doleman

NT - Casey Hampton

DT/DE - Suh

DE/OLB - Leslie O’Neil

MLB - Jessie Tuggle

Blitz LB - Kevin Greene 

OLB - Ted Hendricks

SS - Eric Weddle 

FS - Ronde Barber

CB - Mel Blount

CB - Eric Allen

 

Offense - Welsh’s WCO

Montana is obviously prefect for this since he won 4 SBs, 3 SB MVPs, 2 league MVPs and 8 pro bowls on top of too many awards to list running it.

RBs Allen and Harris fit nicely since receiving out of the backfield is so important on top of rushing and picking up the blitz.

WRs Holt and Morgan can stretch the field for the occasional big pass plays and make quick catches which Holt excelled at. Morgan especially can stretch the field. He averaged over 19 yac, 6 seasons over 20 yac with over 24 yac his best. 

Ditka can block, pick up the blitz and catch quick passes required in Welsh’s WCO. 

The oline on the right side has arguably the best RT ever in Deirdorf and the best OG ever in Hannah. The other side and center Shaw (8), Brown (9) and Hilgenberg (7) have a ton of probowls, super bowl wins and 2 HOFers. 

 

Defense - Fritz eagle/hybrid 46

It basically requires more LBers that can move around that’s why I choose players that excelled at multiple positions and getting a lot of QB pressure. LB and S need to be able to tackle as well as cover and CBs need to be able to play zone and man to man.

Greene 3rd all time - 160 sacks

Doleman 5th all time - 150.5 sacks

O’Neil 13th all time - 132.5 sacks 

Hendrick 60.5 sacks, 28 ints

Suh 51.5 sacks

Tuggle all time leading tackler 1809

Weddle 1002 tackles, 29 ints

Barber 1231 tackles, 47 ints

Allen 54 ints

Blount 57 ints

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

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DE: Dwight Freeney, Colts

NT: Vince Wilfork, Patriots

DT: Clyde Simmons, Eagles

DE: Reggie White, Eagles, Packers

LB: Sean Lee, Cowboys

LB: Sam Mills, Saints, Panthers

OLB: Karl Mecklenburg, Broncos

CB: Champ Bailey, Redskins, Broncos

CB: Albert Lewis, Chiefs

FS: Ken Houston, Oilers, Redskins

SS: David Fulcher, Bengals

 

OLT: Jim Lachey, Redskins

OG: Max Montoya, Bengals, Raiders

Ctr: Kevin Mawae, Jets 

OG: Larry Allen, Cowboys

ORT: Erik Williams, Cowboys

TE: Keith Jackson, Eagles, Dolphins

WR: Al Toon, Jets

WR: Anquan Boldin, Cardinals

RB: Jamal Lewis, Ravens

RB: Tony Dorsett, Cowboys

QB: Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers 

 

 

Your passrush might be the best in this draft.

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17 minutes ago, HessStation said:

LT, Tippett and Selmon is my presonal favorite for edge rush. Tippett was almost on LT level for a couple years. 

LT is LT, Sack wise Tippett had two good seasons and Selmon only had double digit sacks once. Reggie White is probably the best defensive player in history and best passrusher. Freeney and Simmons are better passrushers then Tippett and Selmon and Wilfork is a true NT so he’ll be taking up two blockers. Williams is more of a DT and lost his starting job to other players so he was moved around. 

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2 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

LT is LT, Sack wise Tippett had two good seasons and Selmon only had double digit sacks once. Reggie White is probably the best defensive player in history and best passrusher. Freeney and Simmons are better passrushers then Tippett and Selmon and Wilfork is a true NT so he’ll be taking up two blockers. Williams is more of a DT and lost his starting job to other players so he was moved around. 

The best pass rusher in history is LT. 

Selmon was on horible teams, a true 34 DE, was still 1979 Def Player of the Year and is on the all 80's team. You're stoned if you think he only had 1 double digit sack year. 1982 man...

Tippett was hurt a lot and barely ever played 16 games and still has 100 playing for mostly garbage teams and surrounding talent. 

 LT, Tippett and Selmon are all on the Pro Football's All Time 34 Defensive team. Just White and Freeney, as great a tandem that is, doesn't trump that group. 

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6 minutes ago, HessStation said:

The best pass rusher in history is LT. 

Selmon was on horible teams, a true 34 DE, was still 1979 Def Player of the Year and is on the all 80's team. You're stoned if you think he only had 1 double digit sack year. 1982 man...

Tippett was hurt a lot and barely ever played 16 games and still has 100 playing for mostly garbage teams and surrounding talent. 

 LT, Tippett and Selmon are all on the Pro Football's All Time 34 Defensive team. Just White and Freeney, as great a tandem that is, doesn't trump that group. 

You left a few players off the list

anyway we have different options 

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19 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

You left a few players off the list

anyway we have different options 

I don't know what you mean? I'm looking at T0m and Hawkeye's teams. 

If you look at LT and Reggie as a wash for all intents

if you look at Freeney and Tippett in their core 10 years of relavance, both have about the same number of sacks 103 to 100...Tippett seemed to missed more games. Add in Selmon and that tips the scales on pass rush imo 

 

Others include Brown and Simmons. That's close, Neither of their NTs is gonna give much here but you have one 43 d and one 34. 

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2 hours ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Yup. That's a ferocious trio. If you have LT and Selmon on the same side, I don't know how anyone stops that.

You either put a world-class Tackle and Guard on that side backed up by a big TE and pray, or you move the pocket away from that side I guess.  They'll still get their sacks but if you have the personnel, it's manageable.  

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2 hours ago, nycdan said:

You either put a world-class Tackle and Guard on that side backed up by a big TE and pray, or you move the pocket away from that side I guess.  They'll still get their sacks but if you have the personnel, it's manageable.  

That’s pretty much what I plan to do. Hannah, Deirdorf and Ditka then go up the middle to attack Williams and Thomas. 

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