SouthernJet Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I think our coaching staff will put us in some favorable gamescript situations by aggression and innovation. . Last few years, Bowles style shifted ebb of game that turned gamescript to opponent. I cant wait to see 1st Jet who screws up ON FIELD, walk off field at 10 yd line cause he is afraid Gase or Gregg Williams will rip him a new one on National TV (what Simms and LT said about Parcells, knowing coaches cant go beyond 30 yd line), LOL) I think stupidity (aka Dumb ThugTurd-like penalties) will be coached, run, benched or fined out in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Bowles may have made some in-game adjustments along the way but I never saw any evidence of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, SouthernJet said: I think our coaching staff will put us in some favorable gamescript situations by aggression and innovation. . Last few years, Bowles style shifted ebb of game that turned gamescript to opponent. I cant wait to see 1st Jet who screws up ON FIELD, walk off field at 10 yd line cause he is afraid Gase or Gregg Williams will rip him a new one on National TV (what Simms and LT said about Parcells, knowing coaches cant go beyond 30 yd line), LOL) I think stupidity (aka Dumb ThugTurd-like penalties) will be coached, run, benched or fined out in practice. Gameplan! Adjustments! Aggression! Innovation! WORD SALAD IS TOTALLY A GOOD REASON TO THINK THE JETS WILL SUDDENLY BE GOOD AT FOOTBALL YOU GUYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, SouthernJet said: I cant wait to see 1st Jet who screws up ON FIELD, walk off field at 10 yd line cause he is afraid Gase or Gregg Williams will rip him a new one on National TV (what Simms and LT said about Parcells, knowing coaches cant go beyond 30 yd line), LOL) oh hell yah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: Bowles may have made some in-game adjustments along the way but I never saw any evidence of it. agree, hence the thread. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Gameplan! Adjustments! Aggression! Innovation! WORD SALAD IS TOTALLY A GOOD REASON TO THINK THE JETS WILL SUDDENLY BE GOOD AT FOOTBALL YOU GUYS There you go. Feeling better already ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Gameplan! Adjustments! Aggression! Innovation! WORD SALAD IS TOTALLY A GOOD REASON TO THINK THE JETS WILL SUDDENLY BE GOOD AT FOOTBALL YOU GUYS maybe yes maybe know. talk is cheap. but i am pretty certain the current players are going to sit up and pay attention for at least the first half of the season. if they are winning then they'll start to believe and continue to do so. in any case these coaches are a better combos than bowles/rogers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Losmeister Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 50 minutes ago, SouthernJet said: I think our coaching staff will put us in some favorable gamescript situations by aggression and innovation. . Last few years, Bowles style shifted ebb of game that turned gamescript to opponent. I cant wait to see 1st Jet who screws up ON FIELD, walk off field at 10 yd line cause he is afraid Gase or Gregg Williams will rip him a new one on National TV (what Simms and LT said about Parcells, knowing coaches cant go beyond 30 yd line), LOL) I think stupidity (aka Dumb ThugTurd-like penalties) will be coached, run, benched or fined out in practice. Was tryna get in ytouch with a bud last night... my feeling is that... I think we are not AUTOMATICALLY at a coaching disadvantge anymore. That these guys are actually decent/solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 Loved around the 3:30 mark where he talks about STUPID penalties killing team with bad field position,,, Bowles missed that class.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, SouthernJet said: Loved around the 3:30 mark where he talks about STUPID penalties killing team with bad field position,,, Bowles missed that class.. Blaming penalties on coaches is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Blaming penalties on coaches is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Certain penalties, such as pre-snap are definitely indicative of coaching. Coaching should reinforce discipline and attention to detail. Also, if there are consequences for flags such as unsportsmanlike conduct, I believe they can be controlled. A mantra of "don't be the guy that is responsible for your team losing" tend to stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Blaming penalties on coaches is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Yes I blame Bowles for penalties. No consequences! Period. It’s like little Jonny who keeps taking his sisters candy. Mom can tell him don’t do it but when he keeps doing it because there are no consequences except Mom telling him don’t do it - he won’t stop. Moms basically enabling him. Bowles enabled his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Certain penalties, such as pre-snap are definitely indicative of coaching. Coaching should reinforce discipline and attention to detail. Also, if there are consequences for flags such as unsportsmanlike conduct, I believe they can be controlled. A mantra of "don't be the guy that is responsible for your team losing" tend to stick. So when Brandon Shell false starts it’s not because he ****ed up. It’s because it was not sufficiently reinforced that he is not supposed to do that. I’m sorry but I think it’s not unreasonable to assume that players are adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Certain penalties, such as pre-snap are definitely indicative of coaching. Coaching should reinforce discipline and attention to detail. Also, if there are consequences for flags such as unsportsmanlike conduct, I believe they can be controlled. A mantra of "don't be the guy that is responsible for your team losing" tend to stick. Agreed. Bowles' mantra of "everyone be the guy that's responsible for the team losing" wasn't a smart approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Nixhead said: Yes I blame Bowles for penalties. No consequences! Period. It’s like little Jonny who keeps taking his sisters candy. Mom can tell him don’t do it but when he keeps doing it because there are no consequences except Mom telling him don’t do it - he won’t stop. Moms basically enabling him. Bowles enabled his players. 5 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: So when Brandon Shell false starts it’s not because he ****ed up. It’s because it was not sufficiently reinforced that he is not supposed to do that. I’m sorry but I think it’s not unreasonable to assume that players are adults. And apparently I am alone on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: So when Brandon Shell false starts it’s not because he ****ed up. It’s because it was not sufficiently reinforced that he is not supposed to do that. I’m sorry but I think it’s not unreasonable to assume that players are adults. I managed people. Adults. When you enforce what to do, and what not to do, better habits set in. Certainly there are mistakes players make, but players that are coached well, should make less mistakes. It is not coincidental the same teams are often lead the league in fewest penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Bowles made in game adjustments every week but unfortunately they almost always worked in the opponents favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Interestingly, the Jets has 2 more penalties than the Browns all year. So, I guess the speech did matter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I managed people. Adults. When you enforce what to do, and what not to do, better habits set in. Certainly there are mistakes players make, but players that are coached well, should make less mistakes. It is not coincidental the same teams are often lead the league in fewest penalties. So when the Jets were among the least penalized teams in the NFL in 2015 and 2016 it was also coaching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 18 hours ago, Bruce Harper said: Bowles may have made some in-game adjustments along the way but I never saw any evidence of it. Sure. Losing the game in the 4th quarter was his in game adjustment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: So when the Jets were among the least penalized teams in the NFL in 2015 and 2016 it was also coaching? the players makes the mistake it is on them. The players keep making the mistake it is on him. He is the "Actions Have Consequences" Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, TeddEY said: Interestingly, the Jets has 2 more penalties than the Browns all year. So, I guess the speech did matter! They should also put an IQ value next to the penalty. Hets wouuld crape the bottom of the barrel on that score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I didn’t think the coaching staff put us in a good position to win last season especially on defense. Bates did open it up more for Darnold later in the season and it worked. Look, maybe earlier in the season Sam wasn’t ready for a fuller playbook and the team did suffer injuries to its two top running backs. So in 2019 we know Gase can go pretty full throttle with Darnold. One big signing and decision they will have to make is on a backup QB. It’s pretty easy to get injuries at that position, Sam missed 3 games and if the team is going to be a playoff contender they will need a backup who can play. Gase knows a lot about QB injuries. Yeah, I’m enthused about this coaching staff. We’ve got the 3 top guys with more to come aboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Bruce Harper said: Bowles may have made some in-game adjustments along the way but I never saw any evidence of it. I’ll never forget during the 2015 season, as we getting ready for the Buffalo game, and a presumed playoff birth...Jet Nation was feeling really good about themselves. Mike Weathoff was on SNY. They asked him his thoughts on Todd Bowles, COY canidate, etc. And I hear, “I’m not impressed at all. I never see halftime adjustments in any phase of the game. That will hurt any team.” I remember thinking “wow what a hater. Making up nonsense. Bowles is about to take a team to the playoffs that went 4-12 last year.” Mike Westhoff: Legend Me: Typing this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: I managed people. Adults. When you enforce what to do, and what not to do, better habits set in. Certainly there are mistakes players make, but players that are coached well, should make less mistakes. It is not coincidental the same teams are often lead the league in fewest penalties. Exactly. Some people (many) will always run along path of least resistance/bare minimum. You can’t just fire everyone, have to change habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: So when Brandon Shell false starts it’s not because he ****ed up. It’s because it was not sufficiently reinforced that he is not supposed to do that. I’m sorry but I think it’s not unreasonable to assume that players are adults. Oh man you’d be such a pushover as a boss lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Gameplan! Adjustments! Aggression! Innovation! WORD SALAD IS TOTALLY A GOOD REASON TO THINK THE JETS WILL SUDDENLY BE GOOD AT FOOTBALL YOU GUYS you seem to be upset that there are people enjoying the change and upbeat atitude. I'm sorry for you. Now back to regular programing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 12 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: So when the Jets were among the least penalized teams in the NFL in 2015 and 2016 it was also coaching? Yes, to certain degrees. And coaching and attention to detail is a constant thing. It is not done once and expected to just always be there. And good leaders (coaches) sometimes lapse and and regress at times. And yes, certain players have the ability to be disciplined better than others, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 13 hours ago, jack48 said: Sure. Losing the many Games in the 4th quarter ws his in game adjustment Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Certain penalties are definitely due to poor discipline, like those unsportsmanlike penalties Rex teams always gets (as if they are Too fired up,) something I think our new DC related to when he said play at the edge but dont hurt the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 18 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: Certain penalties, such as pre-snap are definitely indicative of coaching. Coaching should reinforce discipline and attention to detail. Also, if there are consequences for flags such as unsportsmanlike conduct, I believe they can be controlled. A mantra of "don't be the guy that is responsible for your team losing" tend to stick. Pre snap penalties more than any others are on the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 19 hours ago, SouthernJet said: I think our coaching staff will put us in some favorable gamescript situations by aggression and innovation. . Last few years, Bowles style shifted ebb of game that turned gamescript to opponent. I cant wait to see 1st Jet who screws up ON FIELD, walk off field at 10 yd line cause he is afraid Gase or Gregg Williams will rip him a new one on National TV (what Simms and LT said about Parcells, knowing coaches cant go beyond 30 yd line), LOL) I think stupidity (aka Dumb ThugTurd-like penalties) will be coached, run, benched or fined out in practice. 2019....Week 1....play 1.....Play-action fake handoff to Leveon Bell, Darnold hits Robby Anderson on a post for a 75 yard TD. When told of this later in the day in Tampa, Todd Bowles responded, “They threw it on 1st down?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Bowles may have made some in-game adjustments along the way but I never saw any evidence of it.Usually his in game changes came when we were ahead and he softened up the defense to give our opponents a chance to outscore usSent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Pre snap penalties more than any others are on the players. I disagree, as often they are a lapse in concentration and discipline. If you make players aware they can happen, they happen less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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