Players whose roster spots are on the line tonight...

[The Voice of Reason]

18 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Honestly, I'm not sure there's a single spot that is ever legitimately on the line during the 4th preseason game. This late in the game wouldn't you hope your FO knows enough to already have their initial 53 ready?

The real question is "who on the initial 53 is clinging there tenuously and will likely get replaced by waiver wire cuts." 

Exactly this... 

[K Clue]

3 hours ago, GreenFish said:

Yea Dortch is not on the bubble. 

Players I think are on the bubble where today can possibly make a difference: Bertolet, Shepherd, Foley, Eric Smith, Ben Braden, WR’s (Burnett, Thompson, Peake), CB’s (somebody step up), Wint/Burgess. 

I don’t see Burnett getting cut, at least I’m hoping he doesn’t, but I do agree about Peake being cut since he really hasn’t done much over the last few seasons. 

[UnknownJetFan]

3 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

I dont see Dortch on the fringe of the roster.

Holmes, yes, think hes gone or practice squad at best.  

Webb.

Powell

Nickerson

 

Young pup CB fight:

K. Brown.

A. Brown

Maulet

Campbell

Only 1 or 2 spots for the above, and even cuts could ultimately replace these spots. 

[JetFreak89]

I believe Holmes has a genuine chance at making the roster tonight. He'll need to show a lot more than he has thus far blocking,  running between the Tackles, but he does have a shot. To hell with any roster exemption if he's good enough to make the team. 

You think Holmes has a decent shot at the roster but dortch is on the bubble? What kind of pills are you taking?


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[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, NYJ1 said:

It isn't? When was the last time you saw a ST player never take any snaps on offense or defense? A player that was EXCLUSIVELY  a ST player?

The answer is it never happens. ALL NFL teams must rely on their ST players to provide playing time, fill in as substitutions, and fill specific roles on offense or defense. A player that makes the team based 100% on ST play is either DEVIN HESTER, LEON WASHINGTON good and even then BOTH of those players had extensive roles on offense. 

I love when someone is incredibly emphatic about something they are completely wrong about. Almost all teams keep a couple pllayers solely for special teams. ALL

[#27TheDominator]

Holmes is not making the team.  He is making the practice squad.  He has an exempt spot, so they will carry him. 

[The Voice of Reason]

49 minutes ago, JetFreak89 said:

 

You think Holmes has a decent shot at the roster but dortch is on the bubble? What kind of pills are you taking?


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Holmes has zero chance at the roster... 0.00% None... Zilch... He is a free exemption by the league. Why would you waste a roster spot on a guy that just learned how to play football and they literally give you a free exemption on the PS. That is something dumb FOs do. Wait a year or at least half the season, see how he is in practice and if with injuries he is better then other RBs on the squad then yes. Doing that at the start of the season is basically forfeiting your 11th PS spot. Idiotic.

[The Voice of Reason]

39 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Holmes is not making the team.  He is making the practice squad.  He has an exempt spot, so they will carry him. 

I don't understand why people are so dense to this... If they are saying it because of the feature on One Jets Drive then they obviously aren't paying attention to the words that the narrator is speaking... They tell you in narration all this information as well as the numerous times its brought up on this forum alone. 

[The Voice of Reason]

51 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I love when someone is incredibly emphatic about something they are completely wrong about. Almost all teams keep a couple pllayers solely for special teams. ALL

Long snapper, Kicker, Punter, KR/PR return specialist, normally a LB that is a good tackler and WR/RB that is a gunner. Sometimes these players are good enough to be depth and play in a pinch. These are never players that actually play in the game unless there is numerous injuries that force them on the field.

[PepPep]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Andre Roberts... Period Stop.... Roberts is a terrible pass catcher hence why he roams from team to team, I bet half the returners in the league are this way.

Agreed. Also Dortch is a rookie. He has made a couple of catches when targeted in preseason so far, he has just not gotten very many opportunities. He scored a TD in a preseason game- or did we forget that already. He also comes in out of college as a guy with a reputation for having good hands and being a good pass catcher. You can't just assume the guy can't catch the ball b/c he's a good punt returner. 

[thshadow]

17 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Long snapper, Kicker, Punter, KR/PR return specialist, normally a LB that is a good tackler and WR/RB that is a gunner. Sometimes these players are good enough to be depth and play in a pinch. These are never players that actually play in the game unless there is numerous injuries that force them on the field.

But someone said that it never happens???  lol

Even though I can name *three* players that only play specials ... ON THE JETS ... LAST YEAR  that had showed no much on offense than Dortch has:  Roberts, Peake, and Cannon.  And those are only the most obvious.

[NYJ1]

2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Andre Roberts... Period Stop.... Roberts is a terrible pass catcher hence why he roams from team to team, I bet half the returners in the league are this way.

AND he was used in the Jets offense late in the season.  Point proven. Andre Robert's made the team for three reasons:

1) Robert's had been a decent returner before catching on with the Jets. Yes.

2) AND because Mike Maccagnan knew he could be a receiver in a pinch.

3) Robert's was available because of his very limited receiver skills.  He's an excellent returner, but he's also very much below average receiver, hence the reason he's bounced through so many teams in his career. 6 teams overall to be exact. If ST players were signed/cut based EXCLUSIVELY on their ST prowess,  Andre Robert's would have never moved on from Arizona. 

To say players are recruited simply for their ST abilities,  besides like punter, kicker, is simply naive. Every NFL team relies,  MUST get contributions from ST players on offense or defense. You can't run an NFL franchise without it.

[NYJ1]

24 minutes ago, PepPep said:

Agreed. Also Dortch is a rookie. He has made a couple of catches when targeted in preseason so far, he has just not gotten very many opportunities. He scored a TD in a preseason game- or did we forget that already. He also comes in out of college as a guy with a reputation for having good hands and being a good pass catcher. You can't just assume the guy can't catch the ball b/c he's a good punt returner. 

He has? You've seen him on the field with the offense being used as a WR? Honestly,  I haven't seen it unless I overlooked it? And even if that's the case, you can't honestly think you've seen enough receiving skills to think he can come on the field when another player goes down and fill in effectively?

[JetFreak89]

If you are going to post a thread like this do it right. Dortch has pretty much solidified a roster spot and Holmes will not count against the 53 man roster as I believe he is an automatic PS participant. 
QB: Falk, Webb (if they carry 3)
RB: Powell, McGuire 
WR: Peake (specials), Thompson (if they carry 7- otherwise both get cut)
TE: Tomlinson, D.Brown (until Herndon comes back)
O-Line: E.Smith, C.Anderson (both have been pretty bad but the Jets are heavy at G and light at OT, they may want to keep an OT)
D-line: Fatukasi, N.Shepherd, K.Phillips (I know most jet fans think Fatukasi got this but we don't know what the coaches think, all three of these guys have gotten considerable snaps and we don't know if the Jets will keep 6 or 7 D-linemen)
LB: S.Anthony, J.Burgess, H.Langi, McLellan, A.Wint
CB: P.Nickerson, A.Maulet, M.Cooper, T.Campbell, A.Brown (with the recent trade for Nate Hairston, and assuming K.Brown makes it, that leaves one, maybe 2 open spots between these 5 guys). 
S: Middleton, Igwebuike, Kindred (I think Miles is the only guy to have solidified his backup role and a spot on the roster.)
P: Edwards, Darr (this is a weird one. I don't mind either guy. Darr has not looked bad. Edwards has been totally fine as well). 
*K: Theres no competition for K but you better believe if Bertolet has a bad game he is in trouble of losing his spot. 

I’m confident that our days of carrying 3 QB’s on the roster are over (thank god). Darnold knows what he has to do and if something were to happen (god forbid) we can make a corresponding move then.


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[NYJ1]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

I love when someone is incredibly emphatic about something they are completely wrong about. Almost all teams keep a couple pllayers solely for special teams. ALL

So please start naming them and please don't be so disingenuous as to list kickers or punters.... that's lame. 

[NYs Stepchild]

2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Honestly, I'm not sure there's a single spot that is ever legitimately on the line during the 4th preseason game. This late in the game wouldn't you hope your FO knows enough to already have their initial 53 ready?

The real question is "who on the initial 53 is clinging there tenuously and will likely get replaced by waiver wire cuts." 

It may be impossible to win a spot in the 4th game but you can certainly lose a roster spot tonight. 

I am curious to see how well Holmes plays in his first real action. He can't make the team but he may show whether or not it'll be worth him sticking around for next year.

[NYJ1]

43 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Holmes has zero chance at the roster... 0.00% None... Zilch... He is a free exemption by the league. Why would you waste a roster spot on a guy that just learned how to play football and they literally give you a free exemption on the PS. That is something dumb FOs do. Wait a year or at least half the season, see how he is in practice and if with injuries he is better then other RBs on the squad then yes. Doing that at the start of the season is basically forfeiting your 11th PS spot. Idiotic.

You're probably right. Why waste a roster spot when you can refine his skills with a free practice squad spot. I get it. But he most certainly has a legitimate shot at making the roster and if he didn't he wouldn't be a member of the NYJ in the first place. And being that we're being so pointed in our posts....I'll go you one further.....

I GUARANTEE Valentine Holmes plays NFL football for some team,  maybe not the Jets? But sooner or later he's going to make an NFL team and play a prominent role on ST and offense. 

[Lith]

4 hours ago, DMan77 said:

I agree.

I wonder how much of a turn over we'll see across the board after the cuts... Do they just bring in maybe 2-3 guys? Or do we see like 5-6-7+ newly cut guys get brought in. 

I think we will see a ton of activity in the first day or two after roster cuts.  Our 5th and 6th CBs may not be on the roster yet.  May look for a move TE to help fill the void left by Herndon's suspension.  We have brought in several WRs for wrokouts recently -- wouldn't be surprised to see us try to add experienced depth there.  We have already seen Douglas bring in a couple of OL, may take advantages of other opportunities to improve depth along the line.  And our K is not settled yet.  I expect a lot of roster tinkering in the next few days.

[Losmeister]

i'll be PO'd if they touch Burnett...   way better hands than Q

still ony 21 y/o!!!  

 

[Losmeister]

24 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

He has? You've seen him on the field with the offense being used as a WR? Honestly,  I haven't seen it unless I overlooked it? And even if that's the case, you can't honestly think you've seen enough receiving skills to think he can come on the field when another player goes down and fill in effectively?

dude he caught a TD in PS...

for me, he can do most of what crowder can

 

[Lith]

44 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

So please start naming them and please don't be so disingenuous as to list kickers or punters.... that's lame. 

Decided to look at last year's Eagles and Ravens rosters from last year.  See if Gase and Douglas teams had gusy who played almost predominantly STs.

Eagles had 3 guys who played almost exclusivley on STs: LB DJ Alexander (237 snaps, all on ST), CB Deiondre Hall (181 snaps, 175 on ST) and WR Shelton Gibson (215 snaps, 151 on STs).

As for the Ravens, they also had 3: LB Chris Board (356 snaps; 342 on ST); CB Cyrus Jones (192 snaps; 187 on ST) and CB Maurice Canady (157 snaps; 147 on STs)

Would not be surprised to see a couple of guys make our 53 who are expected to be primarily ST contributors.  Dortch and Cannon come to mind.

Edit -- brain fart.  Should have looked up Eagles and Dolphins.  

FWIW, Phins had a bunch of guys who played almost all of their snaps on STs: Walt Aikens (373 of 406 snaps), our own Stephone Anthony (353 of 380), Senorise Perry (all 303 snaps on STs) plus a couple of other guys.

[PepPep]

27 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

He has? You've seen him on the field with the offense being used as a WR? Honestly,  I haven't seen it unless I overlooked it? And even if that's the case, you can't honestly think you've seen enough receiving skills to think he can come on the field when another player goes down and fill in effectively?

https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/10/greg-dortch-backs-up-rave-camp-reviews-with-strong-preseason-debut/

He's a rookie and we are talking about the last WR spot on the roster. He was a great receiver in college. He showed he can catch and contribute on special teams in both training camp and preseason. Literally the only reason he is not a complete no doubter is that he is an UDFA rookie. That's it. He earned a spot otherwise both as a WR and a Special Teams player- but particularly on special teams. 

[Jetster]

10 minutes ago, PepPep said:

https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/10/greg-dortch-backs-up-rave-camp-reviews-with-strong-preseason-debut/

He's a rookie and we are talking about the last WR spot on the roster. He was a great receiver in college. He showed he can catch and contribute on special teams in both training camp and preseason. Literally the only reason he is not a complete no doubter is that he is an UDFA rookie. That's it. He earned a spot otherwise both as a WR and a Special Teams player- but particularly on special teams. 

Kids a natural, you can tell how smoothly he takes in punts. This kid might just be our inexpensive slot WR after we find a stud #1 WR. 

[Losmeister]

4 minutes ago, Jetster said:

the only reason he is not a complete no doubter is that he is an UDFA rookie. That's it. He earned a spot otherwise both as a WR and a Special Teams player- but particularly on special teams. 

ALL DAY AND TWICE ON SUNDAYS

[jetsons]

3 hours ago, varjet said:

Good list.   How can Brown not beat out Tomlinson?  Tomlinson should be on the bubble.  

Add to that Falk??? Webb is the one who should be on the bubble.

[Larz]

Watch special teams, not just the returners 

those guys are getting looks to see if they can contribute on game day 

[Losmeister]

14 minutes ago, Larz said:

Watch special teams, not just the returners 

those guys are getting looks to see if they can contribute on game day 

i feel ya...

but it's tough to just ID who is on the filed on alotta plays, especiall th elines.

the uni change didnt help...  no #'s on shoulders

[mike18]

Polite is horrible.  He is a waste of a roster spot.

[ElBarrioJets]

6 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

Because specifically ST players have to show their worth on offense.  In order to make an NFL franchise you must be versatile. You MUST not only play ST well, but you must be useful on offense or defense. That's Football 101 on how to make the roster. How often have you seen Greg Dortch catching passes? Has he even been targeted at all? I don't recall seeing anything. 

He scored a receiving touchdown in the Giants game bud.

[NYJ1]

47 minutes ago, ElBarrioJets said:

He scored a receiving touchdown in the Giants game bud.

I'll have to look that up. Not saying you're wrong,  I just haven't seen it. 

[NYJ1]

50 minutes ago, ElBarrioJets said:

He scored a receiving touchdown in the Giants game bud.

I stand corrected. I hadn't remembered that but I just confirmed it. But I'd still like to see what Dortch can do to help us on offense. 

[NYJ1]

3 hours ago, Lith said:

Decided to look at last year's Eagles and Ravens rosters from last year.  See if Gase and Douglas teams had gusy who played almost predominantly STs.

Eagles had 3 guys who played almost exclusivley on STs: LB DJ Alexander (237 snaps, all on ST), CB Deiondre Hall (181 snaps, 175 on ST) and WR Shelton Gibson (215 snaps, 151 on STs).

As for the Ravens, they also had 3: LB Chris Board (356 snaps; 342 on ST); CB Cyrus Jones (192 snaps; 187 on ST) and CB Maurice Canady (157 snaps; 147 on STs)

Would not be surprised to see a couple of guys make our 53 who are expected to be primarily ST contributors.  Dortch and Cannon come to mind.

Edit -- brain fart.  Should have looked up Eagles and Dolphins.  

FWIW, Phins had a bunch of guys who played almost all of their snaps on STs: Walt Aikens (373 of 406 snaps), our own Stephone Anthony (353 of 380), Senorise Perry (all 303 snaps on STs) plus a couple of other guys.

You're proving my point with every player you are mentioning. Once again,  please provide players that play 100% and never play on offense or defense.  You can't find one I'd imagine. 

[ElBarrioJets]

38 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

You're proving my point with every player you are mentioning. Once again,  please provide players that play 100% and never play on offense or defense.  You can't find one I'd imagine. 

Matthew Slater on the Pats. 

[Aussie Jet]

I'm hoping that since Dare handled most of the punting duties during the game that Lac Edwards is safe from the cut. It bugs me that Gase and Boyer have had a competition between Dare and Edwards through the pre-season when Edwards has been a rock-solid punter for the last few seasons, but the Jets have put out crabs at kicker and we genuinely do not know who our week 1 kicker will be at this stage.

[jetstream23]

6 hours ago, Lith said:

Decided to look at last year's Eagles and Ravens rosters from last year.  See if Gase and Douglas teams had gusy who played almost predominantly STs.

Eagles had 3 guys who played almost exclusivley on STs: LB DJ Alexander (237 snaps, all on ST), CB Deiondre Hall (181 snaps, 175 on ST) and WR Shelton Gibson (215 snaps, 151 on STs).

As for the Ravens, they also had 3: LB Chris Board (356 snaps; 342 on ST); CB Cyrus Jones (192 snaps; 187 on ST) and CB Maurice Canady (157 snaps; 147 on STs)

Would not be surprised to see a couple of guys make our 53 who are expected to be primarily ST contributors.  Dortch and Cannon come to mind.

Edit -- brain fart.  Should have looked up Eagles and Dolphins.  

FWIW, Phins had a bunch of guys who played almost all of their snaps on STs: Walt Aikens (373 of 406 snaps), our own Stephone Anthony (353 of 380), Senorise Perry (all 303 snaps on STs) plus a couple of other guys.

I have no idea but 373 snaps seems like an awful lot of ST plays.  That's more than 23 per game.  I guess that's how many kickoffs, punts, extra points and FGs could take place in each game....just seems a little high to me.