ASH1962 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: If QW is the real deal we have a good chance at being a great defense. When? 2025? 2050? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just now, ASH1962 said: When? 2025? 2050? Soon. We are already a good defense with CJ Mosley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 59 minutes ago, JiF said: Not sure I need to expose the exposed, just trying to figure out how the Jags did what they did when all I've heard all week around here is how it's impossible to do what the Jags just did. Its simple Jif. Its been known for years that a team named after a feline animal will enjoy unparalleled success. Unfortunately, those teams named after mythical beings and flying machines have a tougher row to hoe. Its all proven fact man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, JimJaime said: Oh, that example doesn't count. I see. Ok, compare Jameis Winton's rookie season to Peyton Manning's rookie year. Then compare it to the rookie year of Troy Aikman, John Elway, and Terry Bradshaw. Nice try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJaime Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: Oh, that example doesn't count. I see. Ok, compare Jameis Winton's rookie season to Peyton Manning's rookie year. Then compare it to the rookie year of Troy Aikman, John Elway, and Terry Bradshaw. Nice try. I forgot 1998 stats the rules are just the same as 2015. I compared 2 players, same generation 1 year apart from eachother to prove the simple point to you that he as of right now is every bit as good as Darnold was last year at the same time.. heck I say he been better!!! that mean he is the better QB? nope not the same teams and or coaches which makes a HUGE difference. Would Montana,Marino,Brees, Brady be them if they didn't have the great HC they had? no only time will tell if either of these two have it but right now they are EQUAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, JimJaime said: I forgot 1998 stats the rules are just the same as 2015. I compared 2 players, same generation 1 year apart from eachother to prove the simple point to you that he as of right now is every bit as good as Darnold was last year at the same time.. heck I say he been better!!! that mean he is the better QB? nope not the same teams and or coaches which makes a HUGE difference. Would Montana,Marino,Brees, Brady be them if they didn't have the great HC they had? no only time will tell if either of these two have it but right now they are EQUAL. The rules are the ******* same? How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJaime Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: The rules are the ******* same? How so? since 1999? very simply the defense cant sneeze on a QB now without being flagged for pass interference. The CB cant hit the WR after 5 yards. defenceless receiver rules. Plus much much more. but yes it has vastly turned into a Offensive league since 1999. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 12 hours ago, Matt39 said: Did Minshew back up Falk? pretty sure he was at ECU or somewhere and transferred as a Senior with eligibility... the kid who backed up Falk killed himself if i'm not mistaken. Very sad. PS. Mariota is exactly who i thought he was. Move on TEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#27TheDominator Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, JimJaime said: since 1999? very simply the defense cant sneeze on a QB now without being flagged for pass interference. The CB cant hit the WR after 5 yards. defenceless receiver rules. Plus much much more. but yes it has vastly turned into a Offensive league since 1999. Ah. Sorry, you were being sarcastic. I got lost as to what I was responding to. Whole ******* thing is annoying. All these guys suck. We are going to be reading similar sh*t about Fales by halftime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just now, JimJaime said: I forgot 1998 stats the rules are just the same as 2015 This is strawman. It has nothing to do with comparing passing stats from different eras. It’s about comparing the overall performance of each guy after one year, within the context of their eras/situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 All this game did was help to reinforce the amount of mediocrity in the NFL. You've got lets say 2-4 top teams... 2-4 bottom teams, then just a mess in the middle like these two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, DMan77 said: All this game did was help to reinforce the amount of mediocrity in the NFL. You've got lets say 2-4 top teams... 2-4 bottom teams, then just a mess in the middle like these two. There are 2-4 bottom teams in NY/NJ metropolitan area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdReed22 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 16 hours ago, Beerfish said: Boring teams. Still play better than our Jets on Offense and Defense. Our 3 point offense is exciting. Bell run up the middle, Bell to the left, 3rd and 15. Throw a bubble screen or a pass short of the LOS and make the RB or WR break 10 tackles to get a first offense run by the genius Adam Gase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdReed22 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 13 hours ago, Philc1 said: Based on...? Besides Namath. The Jets suck as selecting Alabama players. All I can think of is Dee Milliner and That CS that couldn't throw beyond 5 Yards...Oh yeah McElroy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdReed22 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 15 hours ago, JetsYanks13 said: I’m sorry, but those guys don’t impress me. Quincy, Robbie and crowder are on equal footing with those guys if not better Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app The Jags WR's make more contested catches than ours and can get separation. Ours besides Robbie don't get separation and Crowder hasn't lit it up yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, EdReed22 said: Still play better than our Jets on Offense and Defense. Our 3 point offense is exciting. Bell run up the middle, Bell to the left, 3rd and 15. Throw a bubble screen or a pass short of the LOS and make the RB or WR break 10 tackles to get a first offense run by the genius Adam Gase. No argument here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJaime Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, slimjasi said: This is strawman. It has nothing to do with comparing passing stats from different eras. It’s about comparing the overall performance of each guy after one year, within the context of their eras/situations. No, you can't that be saying Montana was a better QB than Otto Graham or Brady is better than Montana based on performance in a year because the rules are so different. Winston had a FAIR to meh year for 2015 standards . Mannings rookie year was meh to bad as was the team (usually the case with a first overall draft pick lol) But we are getting far away from our original topic, which for me was simply.. Mishew has proven as much promise as Darnold in his first three starts. He has shown so far he can possibly be as good if not better than Darnold. Where he is drafted means nothing! Teams get lucky ALL the time, where or even if drafted is a meaningless stat. How many 1st round busts are there every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdReed22 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 13 hours ago, Philc1 said: Well you guys also hated Josh Allen and wanted to trade down for a noodle shoulder OT who wasn’t a great prospect You mean that OT that they converted to a Guard who is out for the year on the Bangles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, JimJaime said: No, you can't that be saying Montana was a better QB than Otto Graham or Brady is better than Montana based on performance in a year because the rules are so different. Winston had a FAIR to meh year for 2015 standards . Mannings rookie year was meh to bad as was the team (usually the case with a first overall draft pick lol)? No one is arguing anything like the bolded. Winston had a better rookie year in his "era" than Peyton Manning did in his. That's the point. You seem confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 hours ago, playtowinthegame said: If QW is the real deal we have a good chance at being a great defense. fwiw, i was tryna watct the game while the wife wnet on and on and on about work.... and keep an eye on #41. what i saw? meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I didn't see the game last night. I'm surprised and not surprised at Minshew. I liked him a lot last year at Wash State. He seems to be a guy who can live up to an opportunity instead of choke. And his previous coach Mike Leach has good things to say about him which is unusual for him. Same head coach for Luke Falk. Here are some of Leach's comments on Luke Falk on Titans Wire after he was drafted by Tenn. https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/25/mike-leach-luke-falk-tennessee-titans/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdReed22 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 QW college production is very little. Only a year of production. Also, we suck at developing D'Linemen. Look at recent history. Coples, Wilkerson, Richardson, Williams.....Only Damon Harrison was a beast and is still a productive player in this league. He had more passion and heart than all of these first rounder's. I am most disappointed in L. Williams. He is LAZY. He is by far more talented then all of them. He is just such a soft player. He doesn't have the mean streak. He plays passive. He should be tossing Gurads around like rag dolls and playing like Aaon Donald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Are you guys trying to expose a certain NFL HC. Figured three terrible years in Miami would have been enough. What do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Figured three terrible years in Miami would have been enough. What do I know? Eh, at most two. Made the playoffs with Matt Moore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I cant believe the titans ate still going with mariotta. This is a different era for qbs. You dont need 3 or 4 years to evaluate these guys. I know already: Mahomes is great, lamar jacksons a star, kyler murray can sling it around, josh allen can put a team on his back and win games. Its not rocket science. The days of giving qbs years to develop are over. Marriota isnt good. Dump him already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 35 minutes ago, EdReed22 said: tossing Gurads around like rag dolls and playing like Aaon Donald. Donald would laugh his soft ass outta the weight room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Rangers9 said: I didn't see the game last night. I'm surprised and not surprisedat Minshew. I liked him a lot last year at Wash State. He seems to be a guy who can live up to an opportunity instead of choke. And his previous coach Mike Leach has good things to say about him which is unusual for him. Same head coach for Luke Falk. Here are some of Leach's comments on Luke Falk on Titans Wire after he was drafted by Tenn. https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/25/mike-leach-luke-falk-tennessee-titans/ i ended up watching him in preseaosn... thought he could play... good story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Losmeister said: i ended up watching him in preseaosn... thought he could play... good story. You think Luke Falk can be our Minshew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJaime Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: No one is arguing anything like the bolded. Winston had a better rookie year in his "era" than Peyton Manning did in his. That's the point. You seem confused. Did you bother look up the rankings? lol (I just did because I was curious)3rd in passing yards, 5th in TD's, and 1st in attempts, Bad side 1st in INT Wnston was 11th in yards, 16th in Td's and 14th in attempts, 6th in Interceptions thrown. so Ya Manning was obviously better his rookie year by the stats for his era. Thus why IMO you dont compare ERAS just players in the same one.. Thus Darnold and the kid here. FYI I am not saying Darnold bad or will be bad at all just that they are comparable right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: You think Luke Falk can be our Minshew? His OL is better... I thought Luke showed he can play in PS as well... but this OL is tragic... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, JimJaime said: Did you bother look up the rankings? lol (I just did because I was curious)3rd in passing yards, 5th in TD's, and 1st in attempts, Bad side 1st in INT Wnston was 11th in yards, 16th in Td's and 14th in attempts, 6th in Interceptions thrown. so Ya Manning was obviously better his rookie year by the stats for his era. Thus why IMO you dont compare ERAS just players in the same one.. Thus Darnold and the kid here. FYI I am not saying Darnold bad or will be bad at all just that they are comparable right now. LMAO You are still confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJaime Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just now, slimjasi said: LMAO You are still confused LMAO look it up.. the stats don't lie! I was shocked too! Manning was light years better his rookie year based on the era he played in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, JimJaime said: LMAO look it up.. the stats don't lie! I was shocked too! Manning was light years better his rookie year based on the era he played in. Nah, bro. We are looking at the same stats. What is shocking is your "interpretation" of them. The bolded is utter nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 6 hours ago, playtowinthegame said: Jags have the identity I want the Jets to have. Great defense and timely offense. It was "1 game". Just another one shot wonder game. Colts will still win division. Jags might get to play spoiler to help them do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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