Wonderboy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 5 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: I don't think that's a controversial take in 2020. A lot of guys are better than Brady these days. Will his career be as good? I doubt it, but I hope so. Mahomes is light years ahead of Brady’s career in terms of when they both started. Brady sat on the bench for a number of years. Mahomes has been setting records from day one. This kid is phenomenal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Otto played in a watered down NFL. Johnny U was legendary but I never saw him in his prime. I’d have to figure Johnny U runs circles around Otto as the better QB. Based on zero knowledge that makes perfect sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Mahomes is light years ahead of Brady’s career in terms of when they both started. Brady sat on the bench for a number of years. Mahomes has been setting records from day one. This kid is phenomenal. Brady won a SB in his second year in the NFL. Mahomes started 1 game in his rookie year and didn't win a SB until his third year in the NFL. Next year Mahomes will have to win the SB to tie Brady's 2 in his first 4 years. Brady sat on the bench for 1 year and 1.5 games before becoming the full time starter. Brady had an amazing career from pretty much his first start in game 3 of his second year. Mahomes is a special talent. I liken him to Michael Jordan at the early stages of his career. That doesn't mean Larry Bird wasn't sensational. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Biggs said: Brady won a SB in his second year in the NFL. Mahomes started 1 game in his rookie year and didn't win a SB until his third year in the NFL. Next year Mahomes will have to win the SB to tie Brady's 2 in his first 4 years. Brady sat on the bench for 1 year and 1.5 games before becoming the full time starter. Brady had an amazing career from pretty much his first start in game 3 of his second year. Mahomes is a special talent. I liken him to Michael Jordan at the early stages of his career. That doesn't mean Larry Bird wasn't sensational. the stats say Mahomes so far... SB wins as criteria for greatness mean, um, Marino was worse than Griese, whcih we know is malarkey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, Losmeister said: the stats say Mahomes so far... SB wins as criteria for greatness mean, um, Marino was worse than Griese, whcih we know is malarkey. Do you realize that Brady had 28 TD's in his third year and Mahomes had 26. Marino is top 10 in NFL history. I have no issue with Mahomes career so far is probably the best ever. So far isn't a career. Bo Jackson was the baddest dude in the NFL until he disappeared because of a freak injury. The NFL is a league of attrition. Brady wins the prize for avoiding attrition. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtMart Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 On 2/2/2020 at 10:21 PM, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: Yes, and Montana is still the GOAT undefeated with zero interceptions in the Super Bowl Sanchez is also undefeated and zero ints in the SB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Wonderboy said: Mahomes is light years ahead of Brady’s career in terms of when they both started. Brady sat on the bench for a number of years. Mahomes has been setting records from day one. This kid is phenomenal. Mahomes didn’t play until the last game of his rookie year (maybe second to last) Brady pretty much played his entire second year. Really not much of a difference. If you take the cheating away - it’s ridiculous and childish to make any claim that Mahomes is better than Brady already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Mahomes didn’t play until the last game of his rookie year (maybe second to last) Brady pretty much played his entire second year. Really not much of a difference. If you take the cheating away - it’s ridiculous and childish to make any claim that Mahomes is better than Brady already. Child please. Can’t you read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Child please. Can’t you read. Brady didn’t sit for a number of years - just one.. Mahomes didn’t set records from day one - he sat almost his entire rookie year. That is literally what you wrote. What did I not read properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, CurtMart said: Sanchez is also undefeated and zero ints in the SB. small print does state starting and playing in a Super Bowl to qualify - it's really small print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Brady didn’t sit for a number of years - just one.. Mahomes didn’t set records from day one - he sat almost his entire rookie year. That is literally what you wrote. What did I not read properly? Yes correct but my point was Mahomes stats at the beginning of his career have outshined Brady’s. He’s only played 2 years as a starter yet has the potential to obliterate all QB records. Brady in his first 2 years as a starter can’t compare to Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtMart Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Mahomes didn’t play until the last game of his rookie year (maybe second to last) Brady pretty much played his entire second year. Really not much of a difference. If you take the cheating away - it’s ridiculous and childish to make any claim that Mahomes is better than Brady already. Kinda like saying, if you take the losses away, every Jets QB is undefeated. Cheating is what got Brady his first 3 rings. Then there’s deflate gate and then there’s spy gate 2.0. And there’s probably another 3-4 different gates in between we are unaware of and you get a career full of gates. Brady might as well change his last name to Gates. Same for Bellish*t. Bill Gates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 15 hours ago, Biggs said: No conversation for the GOAT can leave out Otto Graham and Johny Unitas. You might be right but I'm confining it to guys I saw play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Biggs said: Do you realize that Brady had 28 TD's in his third year and Mahomes had 26. Marino is top 10 in NFL history. I have no issue with Mahomes career so far is probably the best ever. So far isn't a career. do you reaLIZE mahomes threw 50 tds in his first year as starter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 2/3/2020 at 11:10 AM, PepPep said: LOL. Just LOL. Call him a cheat and maybe he is but the stats don't lie. Maybe someday Mahomes will surpass Brady. But even getting close will be a miracle with what Brady has accomplished. Brady has more career passing attempts than Mahomes has passing yards. The comparison, at this point, is laughable. Tom Brady 6× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII) 4× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI) 3× NFL Most Valuable Player (2007, 2010, 2017) 14× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2018) 3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017) 2× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016) 2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010) NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009) 4× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2002, 2007, 2010, 2015) 3× NFL passing yards leader (2005, 2007, 2017) 2× NFL passer rating leader (2007, 2010) NFL completion percentage leader (2007) Sporting News NFL Athlete of the Decade (2010s) Bert Bell Award (2007) Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year (2007) Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005) NFL 2000s All-Decade Team NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team National champion (1997) Career NFL statistics as of Week 17, 2019 Passing attempts: 9,988 Passing completions: 6,377 Completion percentage: 63.8 TD–INT: 541–179 Passing yards: 74,571 Passer rating: 97.0 Rushing yards: 1,037 Rushing touchdowns: 22 Mahomes Super Bowl champion (LIV) Super Bowl MVP (LIV) 2× Pro Bowl (2018, 2019) First-team All-Pro (2018) NFL Most Valuable Player (2018) NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2018) NFL passing touchdowns leader (2018) Bert Bell Award (2018) Sammy Baugh Trophy (2016) Second-team All-Big 12 (2016) FBS passing yards leader (2016) MaxPreps Male Athlete of the Year (2013) Career NFL statistics as of Week 17, 2019 TD–INT: 76–18 Passing yards: 9,412 Completion percentage: 65.9 Passer rating: 108.9 national champion ? stop padding the stats that don't need padding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 brady obviously has a long list of accomplishments. a long career. does it mean he has more talent? no. not imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Wonderboy said: Yes correct but my point was Mahomes stats at the beginning of his career have outshined Brady’s. He’s only played 2 years as a starter yet has the potential to obliterate all QB records. Brady in his first 2 years as a starter can’t compare to Mahomes. Brady had more TD’s in his second year as a starter than Mahomes did. yes Mahomes first year was absurdly amazing but still - Brady’s career will be very tough to match by anyone considering the longevity alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 do you reaLIZE mahomes threw 50 tds in his first year as starter?So what you are saying is mahomes took a step backwards this year?Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Brady had more TD’s in his second year as a starter than Mahomes did. yes Mahomes first year was absurdly amazing but still - Brady’s career will be very tough to match by anyone considering the longevity alone. Mahomes first year was on the bench. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 2/3/2020 at 7:51 PM, jgb said: I hope you like coconuts because you're on a deserted island with the opinion that the 2001 Pats (who went 5-11 the year before) were a more talented team than the 2019 Chiefs. Your attempt to exclude Hill and Kelce is better than any argument that I could ever come up with to prove my point. Thank you for that but I can't resist continuing to press my advantage here. Even Bill Belichick himself agrees with me (and everyone else): "According to David Halberstam’s The Education of a Coach, Belichick reacted to the 2001 upset of the Rams by crowing, 'Can you believe we won the Super Bowl with this?!'” https://slate.com/culture/2008/09/tom-brady-s-knee-injury-gives-bill-belichick-the-chance-to-prove-his-genius.html Fox Sports in 2017 ranked the 2001 Pats as the 3rd worst ever team to play in (not to mention win) a SB: https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/worst-super-bowl-teams-ever-giants-patriots-cardinals-point-differential-020317 USA Today had them #47 out of #49 best teams to win a SB in a 2016 article: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/best-super-bowl-team-winner-ranking-best-nfl-team-ever-super-bowl-50-redskins-49ers-cowboys-packers-patriots In the only rating I could find that includes this SB, Athlon Sports has the 2001 Pats as the #48 out of 54 best SB champions (2019 Chiefs are #30): https://athlonsports.com/nfl/ranking-every-super-bowl-champion I could go on and on. Start Googling killer pina colada recipes. Just bumping in case @rangerous missed it the first time around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Brady had more TD’s in his second year as a starter than Mahomes did. yes Mahomes first year was absurdly amazing but still - Brady’s career will be very tough to match by anyone considering the longevity alone. Think about Mahomes’ skills though. He’s faster, has a better arm, is elusive and is a gunslinger. True, Brady’s career will be tough to match. I still feel Montana was the GOAT in terms of greatest QB. Mahomes is special and has potential to break ALL records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 17 hours ago, Wonderboy said: Otto played in a watered down NFL. Johnny U was legendary but I never saw him in his prime. I’d have to figure Johnny U runs circles around Otto as the better QB. Watered down? In the 12 team NFL? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Think about Mahomes’ skills though. He’s faster, has a better arm, is elusive and is a gunslinger. True, Brady’s career will be tough to match. I still feel Montana was the GOAT in terms of greatest QB. Mahomes is special and has potential to break ALL records. That could make Josh Allen the GOAT Mahomes arm strength doesnt make him a better QB, it can help but Bradys arm was Chads. His arm was good enough to make the throws and run a NFL offense. If Mahomes is going to go on to be the GOAT it will come with sustained success. He has that potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 17 hours ago, Wonderboy said: Mahomes is light years ahead of Brady’s career in terms of when they both started. Brady sat on the bench for a number of years. Mahomes has been setting records from day one. This kid is phenomenal. No, that's factually incorrect. They both sat for one year and then became the starter in year two -- and Brady won his first Super Bowl even faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: No, that's factually incorrect. They both sat for one year and then became the starter in year two -- and Brady won his first Super Bowl even faster. ok right. I'd still take Mahomes over Brady any day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Wonderboy said: ok right. I'd still take Mahomes over Brady any day. get your facts straight or else your are just chatting schitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Losmeister said: get your facts straight or else your are just chatting schitt. Bite me- fact: you’re a loser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 23 hours ago, jgb said: Just bumping in case @rangerous missed it the first time around wise guy. consider the sources. i don't mind being corrected but the simple fact is there are 11 guys on the offense, defense, special teams, etc and whole is usually greater than the sum of the parts. i'm no patsie fan but you have to admire the way that team played very well as a team and didn't need to rely on flashy pro bowlers to succeed. it's still a team game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 I stand by this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Blackout said: I stand by this Mahomes will go down as the GOAT I called it back in 2016. Also Reid is going to go down as the GOAT HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Mahomes is definitely better than Brady, but Brady still has the better resumé. Once Mahomes starts breaking Brady's cumulative records will I consider him greatest of all time. He's easily ontrack for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 2/3/2020 at 11:21 AM, Kleckineau said: Arm talent wise I would take Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers over either of these guys. Arm talent wise, nobody beats Marino... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 2/6/2020 at 7:18 AM, FidelioJet said: Brady had more TD’s in his second year as a starter than Mahomes did. yes Mahomes first year was absurdly amazing but still - Brady’s career will be very tough to match by anyone considering the longevity alone. Brady’s longevity was certainly his most impressive quality and obviously big part of why his records will likely hold up. You would have to be nuts to a 40+ year old QB could still play at a championship level in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Brady the ultimate compiler. Shout out to Savage wherever you are! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 6 hours ago, Lupz27 said: Mahomes will go down as the GOAT I called it back in 2016. Also Reid is going to go down as the GOAT HC. It's amazing the intangibles that Mahommes has. Joe Burrow is probably a better "fundamentals" QB but can't shine Mahommes shoes. McNabb had the total package but lacked the intangibles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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