Will Snyder change the name?

[GreekJet]

https://twitter.com/skysportsnfl/status/1278939027501129728?s=21

The name absolutely should be changed since it is a derogatory term. I doubt Snyder will ever listen. 

[Sammybighead]

He's a moron but he may not have much of a choice now if all sponsors/apparel partners bail

[GreekJet]

1 minute ago, Sammybighead said:

He's a moron but he may not have much of a choice now if all sponsors/apparel partners bail

But apparently he made a substantial donation to Native Americans to correct the issue  

[The Crusher]

I guess this is the part I explain we don’t allow politics, someone post in before the lock, someone post politics and then the thread is locked. 

[nico002]

I don’t care, but I will never understand how using a name in an idolizing fashion is offensive. 

[PS17]

12 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

He's a moron but he may not have much of a choice now if all sponsors/apparel partners bail

You gotta love Nike saying the name Redskins is unacceptable while they pay slave wages in sweat shops in third world countries. 

[Lurker89]

10 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I guess this is the part I explain we don’t allow politics, someone post in before the lock, someone post politics and then the thread is locked. 

For you anytime Crusher ?

[nico002]

6 minutes ago, PS17 said:

You gotta love Nike saying the name Redskins is unacceptable while they pay slave wages in sweat shops in third world countries. 

yup and pay their ceo/executives exorbitant amounts of money contributing to the #1 issue that no one talks about in this country, Low/middle class wages not really increasing since the 1990s while our costs rise and %1 of people control 99% of wealth.

[Gastineau Lives]

I think Native Americans are a beautiful, proud people, and they should be.

If something is truly painful, then you should do something about it.

[EM31]

4 minutes ago, nico002 said:

I don’t care, but I will never understand how using a name in an idolizing fashion is offensive. 

Perhaps because it is not for you to decide whether or how another group should react to a name describing them?  Or if you don't like that one then perhaps because a large majority of non-native American people agree that the name is offensive?

[heymangold]

14 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I guess this is the part I explain we don’t allow politics, someone post in before the lock, someone post politics and then the thread is locked. 

i don't view racism and the use of a slur as politics.

that being said - if he's forced to change the team name, what then happens to the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Seminoles, etc.  it's the tip of the iceberg here.

[nico002]

1 minute ago, EM31 said:

Perhaps because it is not for you to decide whether or how another group should react to a name describing them?  Or if you don't like that one then perhaps because a large majority of non-native American people agree that the name is offensive?

Um what? I said I didn’t care about the name change. I do have the right to be confused about something, just because I am not in the minority group doesn’t mean I am not allowed to contemplate the issue. 

[heymangold]

[nico002]

Serious question, would skins be offensive? That seems like a subtle change? 

[Matt39]

8 minutes ago, PS17 said:

You gotta love Nike saying the name Redskins is unacceptable while they pay slave wages in sweat shops in third world countries. 

790 million dollar loss this year for them too. Not great Bob!

[Lurker89]

They should change it to "The Skins'

Buffalo Bill could be their mascot.

[T0mShane]

Not my idea, but I like the idea of renaming then “The Washington Cops.”

[Gastineau Lives]

5 minutes ago, heymangold said:

i don't view racism and the use of a slur as politics.

that being said - if he's forced to change the team name, what then happens to the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Seminoles, etc.  it's the tip of the iceberg here.

It's not a slur. Why would someone call themselves a slur, comedic value? 

[RutgersJetFan]

25 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I guess this is the part I explain we don’t allow politics, someone post in before the lock, someone post politics and then the thread is locked. 

Sounds like the words of a Millard Fillmore propagandist to me.

[EM31]

7 minutes ago, nico002 said:

Um what? I said I didn’t care about the name change. I do have the right to be confused about something, just because I am not in the minority group doesn’t mean I am not allowed to contemplate the issue. 

My point was a response to your "i don't understand why..." comment.  It is not really about your ability to understand why.  It is about all of our ability to appreciate how others feel.  I daresay a lot of people did not understand why blackface was offensive but it really wasn't up to them.  Nor did they need to get an explanation.

[BROOKLYN JET]

Skins is a derogatory word for vagina, the feminists will be offended.

[RutgersJetFan]

13 minutes ago, nico002 said:

...just because I am not in the minority group doesn’t mean I am not allowed to contemplate the issue. 

[LRJets]

[Integrity28]

30 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I guess this is the part I explain we don’t allow politics, someone post in before the lock, someone post politics and then the thread is locked. 

I’d argue that a team name that happens to be a racial slur is not inherently politics. I agree, however that some people will use this as a platform for their political agendas. As such, we need to throw poopies at them.  

[Butterfield]

Just change the logo to a Virginia Redskin Peanut.  Don’t even need to change the colors.

[The Crusher]

7 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Sounds like the words of a Millard Fillmore propagandist to me.

Well.... I am bald and like to party!

[Anthony Jet]

59 minutes ago, GreekJet said:

https://twitter.com/skysportsnfl/status/1278939027501129728?s=21

The name absolutely should be changed since it is a derogatory term. I doubt Snyder will ever listen. 

I’m not educated on the term redskin enough to comment. So I’ll ask, is the name really offensive or is it offensive because the media said it’s offensive.  
 

Im watching how this is unfolding and some of the names of things should be changed, they represent a time that is long gone but some of the other stuff just seems like piling on for the sake of being offended. 

[Integrity28]

26 minutes ago, nico002 said:

I don’t care, but I will never understand how using a name in an idolizing fashion is offensive. 

The name itself is an insult. Regardless of idolization. I honestly can believe you can’t understand that.

[Integrity28]

 

25 minutes ago, heymangold said:

i don't view racism and the use of a slur as politics.

that being said - if he's forced to change the team name, what then happens to the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Seminoles, etc.  it's the tip of the iceberg here.

Redskins is the only term (of these) that was used as derogatory. Tribe name as ranks are a bit different, seeing that half the tribe names were used to name so much more than teams. That said, the mascots might need altering. I’d defer to the disenfranchised. As a white guy, it’s not my call. I’m certainly not in the camp of snowflaking it because change makes me angry. Do what is right by those that are impacted. 

[Integrity28]

8 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

I’m not educated on the term redskin enough to comment. So I’ll ask, is the name really offensive or is it offensive because the media said it’s offensive.  
 

Im watching how this is unfolding and some of the names of things should be changed, they represent a time that is long gone but some of the other stuff just seems like piling on for the sake of being offended. 

Native Americans have called it offensive for much longer than the media. Not everything can/needs to be attributed to “because if the media”.

[Matt39]

Just now, Integrity28 said:

 

Redskins is the only term (of these) that was used as derogatory. Tribe name as ranks are a bit different, seeing that half the tribe names were used to name so much more than teams. That said, the mascots might need altering. I’d defer to the disenfranchised. As a white guy, it’s not my call. I’m certainly not in the camp of snowflaking it because change makes me angry. Do what is right by those that are impacted. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html

[Lurker89]

25 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

It's not a slur. Why would someone call themselves a slur, comedic value? 

I commend you for going up against the wave of virtue signaling. It's a no win proposition against the horde. Good luck. I'll stick with being an absurdist and see if that gets through to anyone.

I may believe the "Redskins" is definitely over that line of everyone's soft sensibilities on what is offensive these days and can see their point, I'm just not that easily offended and haven't fetishised my offense like many have these days.

Living in Syracuse for quite a few years in the past, I remember when Syracuse went from the Orangemen to the Orange.  God forbid we offend the Northern Irish. I'm half Irish half Puerto Rican, lineage from county Donegal in the north I wasn't offended.

 

Kudos to SU for being a decade plus ahead of the social curve, now they don't have to deal with the bad press for disparaging the Irish. Notre Dame is next I guess. >.<

I'm waiting for vegans to go after animal themes and arborists to go after vegetation themes.

[Dcat]

35 minutes ago, Lurker89 said:

They should change it to "The Skins'

Buffalo Bill could be their mascot.

I've seen their own fans call them the Foreskins.

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I’d argue that a team name that happens to be a racial slur is not inherently politics. I agree, however that some people will use this as a platform for their political agendas. As such, we need to throw poopies at them.  

It is so interesting how you can 100% pinpoint whom someone votes for by the level of anxiety they’ll express when you point out that 1. something has transparently racist connotations and/or 2. that racism is bad.

[Integrity28]

Just now, Matt39 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html

I desk in user/customer research. Do you know how easy it is to build bias into a poll? Almost as easy as finding confirmation of your bias in the internet.

That said, I’m sure some generations of Native Americans don’t care. My grandfather did. That’s enough for me.