TnT Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Usually, when someone loses their job because they are a POS it’s enough of a kick in the balls...I can’t say it’s enough for Manish Mehta. As we used to say on the block, “someone should put hands on em.” I have a massive disdain for MM. I would refrain from clicking his material and even try not to engage on threads here for the last couple years with or regarding his content. I also decided I wouldn’t support the JN podcast due to their relationship with him. I am glad he’s gone...I will sip scotch and puff a cohiba gleefully tonight. Amusing that the Washington Post is guilty of the exact same practices they are throwing shade at NYDN for...but they always end up eating their own, don’t they? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Really odd the Washington paper would do this article instead of the NY Post, or the ledger. Everyone has known this for awhile. Seems more fitting for a local paper. Most people in WAshington probably don't even know who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 the sad thing is most of the reporters basically make up their "news". it's sports after all and really doesn't compare to news about way more important things in life. but when the reporter practically bribes their way into the facility or threatens other writers then a line has been crossed. good riddance to the twerp. maybe now the jets will get more objective coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Jetster said: The Washington Post? The paper owned by Jeff Bezoz? Lmao! Yea, that will be an unbiased group of writers! GMAFB! Because it reports what the President does and says, I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 This is cherry picking data from the last complete 4 year cba cycleDo it from 2009 I'd be more impressed So you wanted Ruhle and magically and without proof the Jets just didnt want to pay him. Todd Bowles was the top coordinator the year he was hired. It was widely reported the Falcons were interested and the Jets moved quickly to avoid losing him. You have to be a total idiot if youre Bowles or his agent to accept peanuts as the hot coaching assistant, especially with another team still looking for a HC and supposedly interested. Pure fantasy, no one would accept peanuts under those conditions. As for the getting to the floor, once again: NFL insider notes: Cowboys have spent the least on payroll since 2016 OK, are you ready? Here are the actual bottom spenders, culled from NFLPA salary numbers, over that span (rounded to the nearest thousand). Cowboys: $634,379,000 Texans: $646,479,000 Bills: $648,442,000 Colts: $654,999,000 Chargers: $658,299,000 Ravens: $678,220,000 Browns: $687,708,000 That is your bottom 20 percent in spending in the league in that time frame. The average NFL team spent $703 million on payroll in that span. Not seeing our Jets in the bottom 20%. But I get your outrage that they would spend money to keep their players and management from being harassed and bullied by a overzealous reporter. I mean thats your argument that theyre cheap, that they spent to protect themselves, the CS, their GM and their players from harassment? The logic is mind numbing Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 On 12/12/2020 at 11:38 AM, bitonti said: This is cherry picking data from the last complete 4 year cba cycle Do it from 2009 I'd be more impressed Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Cherry picking data like payroll the last 5 years or payouts this past season? You do it from 2009, youre the one whining about something without a shred of evidence, from the nonsense about not wanting to pay Rhule, McCarthy or what was paid to Bowles on down youre just making it up as you go along. @moggles did it from 09. Those two years you want in order to convince you is just another example of how desperate and bad your argument is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackExchangeNYJ Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 The Daily News looks awful in this, as they should. They did an AWFUL job, and honestly don't deserve to have anyone credentialed to cover the team for a year or two. Their inaction and their disregard for the credential issue suggests they haven't earned a seat at the table. Florio's piece in PFT is typical Mike Florio trash, too. He essentially accuses the Jets of doing this because Mehta was writing negative pieces about the Jets. 1. Mike, think you might be a bit biased because you've regularly had Mehta on your show? 2. Not sure you've noticed this, but EVERY writer bashes the Jets, repeatedly. Only one of them had his credentials yanked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, bitonti said: This is cherry picking data from the last complete 4 year cba cycle Do it from 2009 I'd be more impressed Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Look at my post. It goes all the way back to 2011. Jets were 2nd in the league in money spent on players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, SackExchangeNYJ said: The Daily News looks awful in this, as they should. They did an AWFUL job, and honestly don't deserve to have anyone credentialed to cover the team for a year or two. Their inaction and their disregard for the credential issue suggests they haven't earned a seat at the table. Florio's piece in PFT is typical Mike Florio trash, too. He essentially accuses the Jets of doing this because Mehta was writing negative pieces about the Jets. 1. Mike, think you might be a bit biased because you've regularly had Mehta on your show? 2. Not sure you've noticed this, but EVERY writer bashes the Jets, repeatedly. Only one of them had his credentials yanked. The Daily-News is trash and Star-Ledger kisses the NY Giants asses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPPT1974 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 He will probably have such a hard time finding a job now! Just saying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 The Jets winless hopeless and dkless is all the evidence that I needWhat's your case that they are trying? Lamar Jackson at CB1? Bryce Huff at rush de?They are starting street free agents as starters and they are going to be a 100 million under next year's cap Cherry picking data like payroll the last 5 years or payouts this past season? You do it from 2009, youre the one whining about something without a shred of evidence, from the nonsense about not wanting to pay Rhule, McCarthy or what was paid to Bowles on down youre just making it up as you go along.• NFL payroll by team | Statista.webarchiveSent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I tried reading through the article but couldn't finish it. But didn't they say bottom line that Manish Mehta was fired.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, bitonti said: The Jets winless hopeless and dkless is all the evidence that I need What's your case that they are trying? Lamar Jackson at CB1? Bryce Huff at rush de? They are starting street free agents as starters and they are going to be a 100 million under next year's cap Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Open your mind and accept that they were blowing this up in order to start from scratch and rebuild. A boatload of cap space and draft picks and a team can move forward, its not hard to figure out what the plan is. Yeah, theyre going to have $100 mil to spend in a offseason where teams now have to scramble to get under the new reduced cap. Dumb assed Jets actually may have played it right for once. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornfed Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Tangential point - I think if you choose to read the Daily News, you know what you're signing up for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 54 minutes ago, bitonti said: The Jets winless hopeless and dkless is all the evidence that I need What's your case that they are trying? Lamar Jackson at CB1? Bryce Huff at rush de? They are starting street free agents as starters and they are going to be a 100 million under next year's cap Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Ignoring the context of why those players are starting (and the majority of my post disproving you) is, literally, the definition of cherry-picking. You have no evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMo Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Open your mind and accept that they were blowing this up in order to start from scratch and rebuild. A boatload of cap space and draft picks and a team can move forward, its not hard to figure out what the plan is. Yeah, theyre going to have $100 mil to spend in a offseason where teams now have to scramble to get under the new reduced cap. Dumb assed Jets actually may have played it right for once. There are no facts to back to the claim that is being made. No point in arguing, this brings me back to JI when I was getting a lecture that the 40 had no correlation to explosiveness (not even the ten yard split) and Terrence Cody was going to be kris jenkins. There was also no factual basis for that, just a lot of loud feelings... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Open your mind and accept that they were blowing this up in order to start from scratch and rebuild. A boatload of cap space and draft picks and a team can move forward, its not hard to figure out what the plan is. Yeah, theyre going to have $100 mil to spend in a offseason where teams now have to scramble to get under the new reduced cap. Dumb assed Jets actually may have played it right for once. No one tanks on purpose not even JD. Everyone has draft picks. Cap space is fungable the Saints are routinely over and then Brees retires and they aren't. Only Jets fans talk about cap space like it's a 401k btw look at the list of next year FA and dont even think they will find a way to spend 100 mil there's no premium pass rushers, maybe they find a corner but Allen Robinson/JUJU isn't exactly game changers tank to get rid of Gase? OK tank for Trevor? Sure thats the easy part the hard part comes when they have to start trying again and everyone realizes losing every game is a hard habit to break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, bitonti said: and dont even think they will find a way to spend 100 mil there's no premium pass rushers, maybe they find a corner but Allen Robinson/JUJU isn't exactly a reason to tank I didn't know teams tanked for Free Agency? Tanking for the draft? Yes. Tanking for Free Agency? I've never heard that before that's a first for me... PS: There are some awesome FA WRs and very good O-Lineman @ two key positions of needs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Bruce Harper said: Because it reports what the President does and says, I guess. Leave Jamal Adams out of this...he has nothing to do with it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 13 hours ago, bitonti said: No one tanks on purpose not even JD. Everyone has draft picks. Cap space is fungable the Saints are routinely over and then Brees retires and they aren't. Only Jets fans talk about cap space like it's a 401k btw look at the list of next year FA and dont even think they will find a way to spend 100 mil there's no premium pass rushers, maybe they find a corner but Allen Robinson/JUJU isn't exactly game changers tank to get rid of Gase? OK tank for Trevor? Sure thats the easy part the hard part comes when they have to start trying again and everyone realizes losing every game is a hard habit to break No they just didnt fill positions of need when they had boat loads of cap space. We must have hired the dumbest bastard in the room, he couldn't find a single WR, RB, OL anyone when we need anyone to fill those spots with all that available cap space. I agree ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 “No one tanks on purpose” Nah, the Colts rolled out the star studded depth chart of Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter, and Dan Orlovsky in 2011 because they “give us the best chance to win”. They knew about Peytons condition for months, well before free agency and the 2011 draft, and decided “Yeah, this will get the job done.” Curtis Painter. 8 games. Dan Orlovsky. 5 games. The best QB on their roster, Kerry Collins, was benched for Painter after only 3 games. LOL. Yeah, they were trying to win alright. I’m sure the Jags are benching their best QB for Mike Glennon and shutting down all of their better players, particularly in the secondary, to gain a competitive edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsRay Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 12:35 PM, Warfish said: I wouldn't have taken you for one those folks. KRL has always been an observer of great insight, once again he nails it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Yeah OK sure They tankThey get luckNo line Andrew luck retires earlyTheir 2020 team is stacked at every position but qb How is this a success story about tanking? “No one tanks on purpose” Nah, the Colts rolled out the star studded depth chart of Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter, and Dan Orlovsky in 2011 because they “give us the best chance to win”. They knew about Peytons condition for months, well before free agency and the 2011 draft, and decided “Yeah, this will get the job done.” Curtis Painter. 8 games. Dan Orlovsky. 5 games. The best QB on their roster, Kerry Collins, was benched for Painter after only 3 games. LOL. Yeah, they were trying to win alright. I’m sure the Jags are benching their best QB for Mike Glennon and shutting down all of their better players, particularly in the secondary, to gain a competitive edge.Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, bitonti said: Yeah OK sure They tank They get luck No line Andrew luck retires early Their 2020 team is stacked at every position but qb How is this a success story about tanking? So you concede that the Colts did indeed facilitate a tank. Injuries ruin almost any potential success story in the NFL. Applying it to this is convenient as you can apply it to any NFL "strategy". Stop with the irrelevant straw man args already. You do it all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 17 hours ago, Mogglez said: Look at my post. It goes all the way back to 2011. Jets were 2nd in the league in money spent on players. Stop cherry picking money spent on only the last 9 years. Best part is arguing against numbers that say hes wrong is all these month, years that hes made these baseless claims he hasnt come up with a list like we have to dispute what the numbers, what we're saying. Doesnt take into account, the record amount for the time that he spent to buy the team, the record amount he paid for a practice facility, the then ridiculous amount spent on the stadium. But hes going to scrimp on a couple of million wherever bit sees fit to argue $$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 38 minutes ago, bitonti said: Yeah OK sure They tank They get luck No line Andrew luck retires early Their 2020 team is stacked at every position but qb How is this a success story about tanking? All of which while true has absolutely nothing to do with @Mogglez point that they tanked for Luck after you said no one ever tanks. But do try to confuse matters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Ok let's assume the colts tanked for the sake of argument. I deny that it was such a great idea and I'm not sure it could ever work The origin of the word is from the NBA where there are 5 starters and 13 man roster. Nfl has 22 starters and a 53 man rosterIn the NBA one player like LeBron can change everything. In the NFL building the program is more important than drafting highThe ravens didn't need to be at 1 to get Lamar the chiefs didn't need to be at 1 to get MahomesThey just had to make smart decisions So you concede that the Colts did indeed facilitate a tank. Injuries ruin almost any potential success story in the NFL. Applying it to this is convenient as you can apply it to any NFL "strategy". Stop with the irrelevant straw man args already. You do it all the time.Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Ok let's assume the colts tanked for the sake of argument. I deny that it was such a great idea and I'm not sure it could ever work The origin of the word is from the NBA where there are 5 starters and 13 man roster. Nfl has 22 starters and a 53 man roster In the NBA one player like LeBron can change everything. In the NFL building the program is more important than drafting high The ravens didn't need to be at 1 to get Lamar the chiefs didn't need to be at 1 to get Mahomes They just had to make smart decisions Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app All true but this is a year where there’s a talent available at 1 that can compensate for the Jets years of bad decisions. Or at least that’s the hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, bitonti said: Ok let's assume the colts tanked for the sake of argument. I deny that it was such a great idea and I'm not sure it could ever work The origin of the word is from the NBA where there are 5 starters and 13 man roster. Nfl has 22 starters and a 53 man roster In the NBA one player like LeBron can change everything. In the NFL building the program is more important than drafting high The ravens didn't need to be at 1 to get Lamar the chiefs didn't need to be at 1 to get Mahomes They just had to make smart decisions Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Kind of ended in the first 6 words of your reply While basketball isnt football and football has 33 starters, not 22, QB is still the most important position in all of sports. A single baseball player has more impact on a 5 man unit, everyone gets this but it doesnt change the fact that a good QB is requirement for winning in football, especially in todays game But do argue against it with the basketball argument or whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 The idea that all the bad things can be washed away by a long haired handsome savior is a popular one in this world, very successful message over time I'm skeptical about that too All true but this is a year where there’s a talent available at 1 that can compensate for the Jets years of bad decisions. Or at least that’s the hope.Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 The colts / Andrew luck situation suggests that no matter how good a qb prospect is coming out, a lack of infrastructure could ultimately ruin him Kind of ended in the first 6 words of your reply While basketball isnt football and football has 33 starters, not 22, QB is still the most important position in all of sports. A single baseball player has more impact on a 5 man unit, everyone gets this but it doesnt change the fact that a good QB is requirement for winning in football, especially in todays game But do argue against it with the basketball argument or whatever Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuzzardman Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Mehta World Piece of Sh*t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 4 hours ago, bitonti said: Yeah OK sure They tank They get luck No line Andrew luck retires early Their 2020 team is stacked at every position but qb How is this a success story about tanking? Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Lmao, the point was that teams do tank. I don’t care about your opinion on whether or not it’s a good idea. That’s not what I was saying. Thank you for obliterating your own argument, once again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: Lmao, the point was that teams do tank. Thank you for obliterating your own argument, once again. Ok so you don't care if tanking is successful you just care that the Colts did it once and the Browns did it once and neither of them won jack squat from it look at the list of super bowl winners i don't think there's an actual tank team on there since the Aikman era Cowboys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, bitonti said: Ok so you don't care if tanking is successful you just care that the Colts did it once and the Browns did it once and neither of them won jack squat from it look at the list of super bowl winners i don't think there's an actual tank team on there since the Aikman era Cowboys No. I don’t care. That’s not what was being discussed. Stop moving the goalposts because you invalidated your own argument. The Colts went from 2-14 to 11-5 after drafting luck. They f*cked up at surrounding him with talent because they hired an abhorrent GM AFTER tanking. Their problems regarding Luck have absolutely nothing to do with what they did in 2011 to ensure that they got him. If they hired Chris Ballard in 2012, Luck would still be in the NFL, lighting it up, and making every single Colts fan happy that they tanked in 2011. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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