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genot Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, oatmeal said: Go and wake up that fat a** GM and tell his worthless a** get some work done Samuel is still unsigned. We'll see Yiu sound upset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I guess 3 year rebuild was the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Hernandez Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, GreekJet said: **** him. I'm a mutt. I never cared about my ethnicity but I know some of it is Irish, I'm Heinz 57. I don't accept Woody appropriating, lol. All I care is Covid took away a parade to drink. Ship him back to England in the Titanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 The best way to build a team is to sign players that other teams no longer wanted. I've compiled a list of teams who won Super Bowls by building their roster with overprices free agents. See below for the comprehensive list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 All gas. No skidmarks. Fart like a Jet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bronx said: As a fat sleepy bald guy, this offends me. Nobody finds a comfortable sleeping position with their CPAP like this guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, kdels62 said: I guess 3 year rebuild was the plan. 3 year rebuild that starts over every 2 years. Now you're getting it. The Johnsons are basically a Manhattan version of the Browns re: ownership philosophy of the Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 How Jets GM Joe Douglas changed direction of franchise in one year Jun 7, 2020 Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer On June 7, 2019, the New York Jets capped a tumultuous offseason by hiring former Philadelphia Eagles executive Joe Douglas as their general manager. They gave him a six-year contract -- a bold commitment for a first-time GM. Their message was clear: Save us, Joe. The Jets needed saving. Still do. This is a franchise that hasn't made the playoffs since 2010 and hasn't posted a winning season since 2015. Since then, the Jets are 21-43. The only team with a worse record is the Cleveland Browns (14-49-1). Exactly one year into the gig, Douglas looks and sounds like a man with a plan. It's hard to assign a specific grade because we still haven't seen his 2020 draftpicks or key free-agent additions on the field, but it's clear he has a vision for the team -- and that's a big part of the battle. A quick review of his first year: He restored calm and credibility. The Jets became a laughingstock for firing GM Mike Maccagnan three weeks after the 2019 draft. Maccagnan and newly hired coach Adam Gase splintered faster than a dead twig, plunging the organization into turmoil. Douglas walked into a tough situation, but he galvanized the building with his unpretentious personality and blue-collar work ethic. Support from Gase, who endorsed Douglas' hire, helped the transition. The front office/coaching staff relationship is stronger than it was under Maccagnan and former coach Todd Bowles. The "watch-your-back" mentality that existed in previous regimes appears to be gone. Douglas also surrounded himself with lieutenants whom he knew from his past, creating cohesion in the front office. He brought in an outside voice, hiring Rex Hogan as assistant GM. Hogan was instrumental in a few of the Jets' trades. He established a hard line at the bargaining table. For years, the Jets threw around crazy money, hoping to buy solutions to deep-rooted problems. More often than not, it backfired. Douglas changed that approach, refusing to pay more than his perceived value for a player. It cost him wide receiver Robby Anderson, who bolted as a free agent, but it allowed him to retain linebacker Jordan Jenkins and cornerback Brian Poole on team-friendly deals. Jets coverage on ESPN.com » Clowney deal unlikely under Jets' GM » Diamond in the Huff? Jets aim to start trend » Flacco embracing role, still aims to start » Enunwa not giving up on playing again Look, every team overpays to some extent -- $9 million-a-year for right tackle George Fant raised eyebrows around the league -- but Douglas' business model should serve them well over the long haul. He dared to think outside the box: After a 20-year cold war with the New England Patriots, Douglas made two (yes, two!) trades with the Jets' No. 1 nemesis. That might not seem like a big deal, but it showed he wasn't going to let preconceived notions stop him from doing business. He attacked the No. 1 problem (with gusto): Douglas started talking about the offensive line at his introductory news conference. He made it a priority and he wound up spending 75% of his free-agent funds on the line. The cherry on top was tackle Mekhi Becton, whom he drafted 11th overall. Douglas made it clear from the outset that strength in the trenches is the backbone to a successful team. It wasn't just lip service. Four of his acquisitions figure to be in the opening-day lineup: Becton, center Connor McGovern, right guard Greg Van Roten and Fant. Best move: The Leonard Williams trade, executed at the NFL deadline last fall, was a prescient move. Douglas knew he didn't want to re-sign the defensive end, who was headed to free agency. Instead of losing him for nothing, he found a taker (hello, New York Giants) and received fair value -- a 2020 third-round choice and a 2021 fifth-rounder. With the third-rounder, he chose Ashtyn Davis, who could be the free safety of the future. Worst move: Douglas wasted time and money (nearly $7 million) by coaxing center Ryan Kalil out of retirement. He took longer than expected to get in shape, never got comfortable in the scheme and suffered a season-ending injury midway through the season. The lesson learned is that chemistry matters, especially on the offensive line. Another lesson: Sometimes the incumbent (in this case, Jonotthan Harrison) is better than an outsider with a fancy résumé. Looking to the future, Douglas faces big challenges. Namely: 2020 NFL offseason • Big questions » | Power Rankings » • Free agency: Tracker » | Grades » • Draft: All 255 picks » | Grades » • Fantasy: Cheat sheets » | Projections » • 2020 schedule » | More NFL coverage » The Jamal Adams situation:This could get ugly if not handled properly. It's incumbent upon Douglas to maintain an open line of communication with the All-Pro safety. They got their lines crossed last fall at the trading deadline, infuriating Adams. That might have been a rookie mistake by Douglas, who found himself engaged in trade talks after telling Adams he had no plans to deal him. From the player perspective, Douglas has sent mixed messages this offseason, professing he wants to make Adams "a Jet for life" while dragging his feet in contract talks. From all indications, the Jets don't want to extend his deal until 2021, the final year. If that's the case, Douglas needs to be clear with Adams, a personality who could become a distraction if he feels as if he's getting jerked around. It could be moot anyway if Adams is hellbent on getting a new deal by the start of the year. Douglas' resolve will be tested if Adams stages a training camp holdout and/or requests a trade. Patch on the fly: Douglas improved the depth at a number of positions, but he's still thin at wide receiver -- really thin. Unless second-round pick Denzel Mims is a standout from the jump, the Jets will need another starting-caliber player. Get ready for a summer of trade rumors. Distribution of resources: Only three of the top-10 cap charges for 2020 are players who were drafted by the Jets -- defensive tackle Quinnen Williams (seventh), quarterback Sam Darnold(eighth) and guard Brian Winters (10th), who is hanging by a thread. Though no fault of Douglas, who inherited a bad roster, this illustrates a dangerous imbalance. They're spending too much on outside players and not enough on their own, which highlights their poor drafting. Douglas' challenge is to reverse the trend. Coach Adam Gase, left, and CEO Christopher Johnson, right, welcome new general manager Joe Douglas to the Jets in June 2019. Seth Wenig/AP Photo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I was thinking we would sign 4 WRs, 3 RBs, 2 OL, 1 C, TE. WTF JD? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: I was thinking we would sign 4 WRs, 3 RBs, 2 OL, 1 C, TE. WTF JD? You forgot CB and Safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 He signed the top edge on the market and a top 3 WR. What else do people want him to do? Have you seen the moves Jacksonville has made? Or maybe we’d be happy with New England’s free agency? Hell no! Douglas is building this team the right way. Our wide receiver unit is fine right now - Davis Crowder Mims and either a rookie or another free agent signing. Im confident he will address the offensive line heavily in the draft so I’m not worried about that. The only thing I think he really needs to do still in free agency is the CB position. If he could sign Adoree Jackson that would be a huge get. Our defense has the ability to be a top unit next year. everyone needs to relax cause I don’t think there’s any moves that he’s missed out on that are back breaking 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I will judge our GM the day after the draft. FA does not surprise me at all. Half the board was projecting us to get 4 or 5 of the top FAs, same thing each year. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 57 minutes ago, freestater said: You mean the one with Ryan Kalil on it? Ryan Khalil was the year before along with Jonathan Harrison Chuma Edoga when he didn’t make the draft choices so he couldn’t do anything about the line I seem to recall that the majority of this board were in fact in agreement with the Khalil signing but it didn’t work out since he was finished The one with Conner McGovern and Becton was last year two major improvements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 56 minutes ago, freestater said: Much better than "take flight!" ...or at least more accurate. Props to @SAR I Now back in stock. SAR I 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: He signed the top edge on the market and a top 3 WR. What else do people want him to do? Be more Macc like. Wait, no. Well, yeah. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: I will judge our GM the day after the draft. FA does not surprise me at all. Half the board was projecting us to get 4 or 5 of the top FAs, same thing each year. Didnt one poster start a thread with his thinking we would sign something like 10 starters? Or some ridiculous number like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Keeping Sam Darnold and not drafting Zach Wilson. If he does that he's finished in my eyes. Of course he wouldn't be fired any time soon, but to me he'd be nothing a zombie. Dead man walking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Shelbyblue said: With so many holes we sign 2.5 players? Your math skills are inspiring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, CSNY said: Ryan Khalil was the year before along with Jonathan Harrison Chuma Edoga The one with Conner McGovern and Becton was last year Yes. Good, we both agree on what "previous year" means. He did fabulous there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Didnt one poster start a thread with his thinking we would sign something like 10 starters? I predicted 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: I predicted 5 And he signed 4 starters already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, Rhg1084 said: And he signed 4 starters already 3 technically special teams wasn't included in my prediction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: And he signed 4 starters already name them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, Morrissey said: name them. Davis, Davis, Lawson, Hardee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 22 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: I was thinking we would sign 4 WRs, 3 RBs, 2 OL, 1 C, TE. WTF JD? There’s a balance and we’re not at that balance right now. I’d feel better if Maye’s extension were signed. Same goes for Fatukasi. Not many people are upset about losing out on Thuney, that was crazy money, but it’s weird that JD didn’t even try for Linsley. Build through the draft is great and all but even the best drafters miss a lot and having this many holes is a good way to set up draft failure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, freestater said: Sure...a 2-14 record would do nothing but fill me with confidence in the guy who put the team together. Nowhere to go but up!!!! 49's were 4-12 in 18 and in 19 were in the Bowl.. How can any rational fan predict in March what the team will be like in Sept.. Although looking for rational thought around here is rare indeed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, freestater said: Yes. Good, we both agree on what "previous year" means. He did fabulous there too. Now don’t you think that Becton Fant and McGovern are upgrades over Mack Harrison and Edoga. Also he didn’t have control of draft Mac did so he couldn’t address line If I recall a majority of the people on this board were in agreement with the Mack signing but unfortunately he had nothing left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggy001 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, K_O_Brien said: To evaluate Sam in a make or break year for him with the same sh*tty roster he had last year? Wouldn't you want to give him a chance by signing a few decent players? Exactly, you added a wr and subtracted one far, otherwise same exact cast, and we think Sam will be better., why? All Gases fault, highly doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, CSNY said: Now don’t you think that Becton Fant and McGovern are upgrades over Mack Harrison and Edoga. Also he didn’t have control of draft Mac did so he couldn’t address line If I recall a majority of the people on this board were in agreement with the Mack signing but unfortunately he had nothing left The guy he brought in was demonstrably worse than Harrison. His "upgrades" last year produced similarly horrific, if not worse results. His strong suit was supposed to be o-line and to date, he couldn't hold the jockstrap of Mike Tannenbaum, a supposed glorified accountant. Just not seeing the cause for optimism here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, Savage69 said: 49's were 4-12 in 18 and in 19 were in the Bowl.. How can any rational fan predict in March what the team will be like in Sept.. Although looking for rational thought around here is rare indeed.. As rational as comparing us to a team we have no appreciable resemblance to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, freestater said: As rational as comparing us to a team we have no appreciable resemblance to? The root for some other team.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 46 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: As a fat sleepy bald guy, this offends me. Nobody finds a comfortable sleeping position with their CPAP like this guy. Actually I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Savage69 said: The root for some other team.. Why? So I can go be a team compiler? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, freestater said: The guy he brought in was demonstrably worse than Harrison. His "upgrades" last year produced similarly horrific, if not worse results. His strong suit was supposed to be o-line and to date, he couldn't hold the jockstrap of Mike Tannenbaum, a supposed glorified accountant. Just not seeing the cause for optimism here. Mack was a bust but again he did not have control of draft so he couldn’t address o line and Mack who was an all pro lineman was the only center available who as it turned out had absolutely nothing left When he had control he addressed line do you think that McGovern Becton and Fant are better than Harrison Mack and Edoga and let’s not forget the quality of opponents were 100 times better than the team that was fielded when they went 7-9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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