Do you try to trade for a pass rusher if you're Joe D?

[AFJF]

Chandler Jones wants out of Arizona.  Jets have a ton of cap space, lots of picks and just lost Lawson.

What would you do?

[Hael]

Rebuilding teams don't really give up draft picks for aging superstars.  The injury has also occurred in the one spot where the Jets are pretty deep (well not strictly edge rusher perse, but rather DL as a whole).

So yea, we've probably lost a few big play sacks over the course of the season, but I do think our backups can still generate push and disruption. 

[Defense Wins Championships]

No.

The Lawson injury stinks but 2021 is all about developing Zach Wilson and with two 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks Joe Douglass should get our elite pass rushing 4-3 DE through the draft.

(and I'd like for him to use Seattle's 1st + Carolina's 2nd in order to trade up for one too and flip Jamal/Sam into our next #94). 

[NYJetsVets91]

If you're going to do anything I'd sign a FA, no point in giving up draft capital.. Olivier Vernon is still a FA and Everson Griffen as well. Could sign them to a cheap 1 year deal to plug the hole until next season. Also noticed Quinton Dunbar is available after being waived by Detroit could be another good 1 year deal at CB in case our young corners don't step up this season.

[Claymation]

With the loss of Lawson, this is a 4-5 win team, Kayvon Thibodeaux becomes a possibility with a top 5-10 pick.

So no, stay put.

[AFJF]

6 minutes ago, Claymation said:

With the loss of Lawson, this is a 4-5 win team, Kayvon Thibodeaux becomes a possibility with a top 5-10 pick.

So no, stay put.

  I think he's going top 3 unless he looks like trash or has a major injury.  

Edited August 20, 2021 by AFJF

[Irish Jet]

Definitely not.

We're not looking for a piece to put us over the top. All that matters this year is Zach's development - If we're spending any resources it should be on helping him. Our guys need to step up. Huff is going to play a lot this year.

We'll hopefully be competitive enough this year and then we have another huge draft to add more pieces to the team. Hopefully Lawson makes a full recovery and is another addition for 2022. 

[Claymation]

  I think he's going top 3 unless he looks like trash or has a major injury.  

I believe Strong, Rattler and Howell will go in the top 3. Leaving Stingley and Thibodeux there at 5, that doesn’t include college players who will rise.

[AFJF]

Just now, Claymation said:

I believe Strong, Rattler and Howell will go in the top 3. Leaving Stingley and Thibodeux there at 5, that doesn’t include college players who will rise.

We'll see, but if the guys in the trenches on both sides of the ball play to their potential (even without Lawson) then I think the Jets are well out of range for where they'll need to be to get Thibodeux.

[Jets0712]

If we believe Coach Saleh that the difference between player A & player Z is opportunity well than here is (someones) big chance Blair, Valoaga,Huff, Zuniga


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[Jetsfan80]

Sign Everson Griffen and move forward, would be my preferred “solution”.  Was kinda surprised to see he’s still a FA, even at 34 and even when he’s likely toast. 

If not Griffen then bring in KJ Wright or Vic Beasley for workouts to kick the tires, perhaps.

[KRL]

I posted this in another thread:

 

It stinks to lose Lawson, from what I saw he and Williams were
going to be a big problem for offenses.  What will be interesting
to see is who steps up to grab Lawson's spot on the roster.  To
me the following DLinemen are going to make the team:

Williams
Rankins
Huff
Fatukasi
Franklin-Myers
Blair
Marshall

Who takes the last 1 or 2 spots?

Rashed
Smart
Zuniga
Shepherd
Curry
Phillips

And will Saleh/Ulbrich move guys around to different spots
to get the best pass rushers on the field?  Could we see
Williams or Rankins at DE in some packages?  Interesting
coaching decisions coming up

 

So I vote no.  Let's see what a young staff does with young players

[Irish Jet]

17 minutes ago, Claymation said:

I believe Strong, Rattler and Howell will go in the top 3. Leaving Stingley and Thibodeux there at 5, that doesn’t include college players who will rise.

We're drafting Kyle Hamilton 6th overall.

Time is a flat circle.

[Jets0712]

Forgot about Franklin-Myers he def has potential. Feel a little better now


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[AFJF]

23 minutes ago, KRL said:

I posted this in another thread:

 

It stinks to lose Lawson, from what I saw he and Williams were
going to be a big problem for offenses.  What will be interesting
to see is who steps up to grab Lawson's spot on the roster.  To
me the following DLinemen are going to make the team:

Williams
Rankins
Huff
Fatukasi
Franklin-Myers
Blair
Marshall

Who takes the last 1 or 2 spots?

Rashed
Smart
Zuniga
Shepherd
Curry
Phillips

And will Saleh/Ulbrich move guys around to different spots
to get the best pass rushers on the field?  Could we see
Williams or Rankins at DE in some packages?  Interesting
coaching decisions coming up

 

So I vote no.  Let's see what a young staff does with young players

There's no denying that the loss of Lawson stings, but that's still a pretty damn good group.  If Huff takes that jump we sometimes see in guys going from year 1 to year 2 then it can still be a formidable D-line.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

[joewilly12]

We have the picks and we have the money. 

I think it comes down to what JD and Robert Saleh decide not the fans. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

We have the picks and we have the money. 

I think it comes down to what JD and Robert Saleh decide not the fans. 

Ehhh idk. I think it comes down to the fans on this one Joe. We’ll be the ones who make a trade. 

[joewilly12]

6 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Ehhh idk. I think it comes down to the fans on this one Joe. We’ll be the ones who make a trade. 

Are you also on that top secret advisory committee like @SAR I

[Larz]

[joewilly12]

Just now, Larz said:

The NY Jets can't afford him. 

[Adoni Beast]

No…we’re rebuilding and need all the picks and cap space we can get for the next 2 seasons.

This year is all about:

- changing the culture and team mentality

- developing the youngins

- win some games to have some sort of confidence going into next year for a wild card spot

[Jet Nut]

3 hours ago, Claymation said:

With the loss of Lawson, this is a 4-5 win team, Kayvon Thibodeaux becomes a possibility with a top 5-10 pick.

So no, stay put.

If we had a HC last year we would have won 4-5 games.  

 

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

No…we’re rebuilding and need all the picks and cap space we can get for the next 2 seasons.

This year is all about:

- changing the culture and team mentality

- developing the youngins

- win some games to have some sort of confidence going into next year for a wild card spot

Yeah, while we all fantasize about playoffs the jets need to see who they’re keeping beyond this season.  And with 2 picks in the first and second rounds next year you know pass rushers will be emphasized in the scouting process.

[FidelioJet]

Absolutely not.

First, it really hasn't been his M.O..

Second, this is not a win now team - don't throw picks at a guy that may help you win 6 games instead of 4.

[FidelioJet]

2 hours ago, AFJF said:

We'll see, but if the guys in the trenches on both sides of the ball play to their potential (even without Lawson) then I think the Jets are well out of range for where they'll need to be to get Thibodeux.

This is a 5 win team and they'll be a QB or two that comes out of nowhere to move to the top of the board too.  Jets will have their pick of a top 4 or 5 position player.

[Barkus]

Saleh will make adjustments to compensate. He lost both bosa and armstead to ACL early on last yr (vs the Jets) and he still had a top 5 defense. Maybe he will have to blitz more and/or someone else will step up. Still some guys out there to pick up needed as others have posted, Aldon smith was not mentioned. 

[Claymation]

22 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

If we had a HC last year we would have won 4-5 games.  

 

Thankfully we didn't, because we wouldn't have Wilson if that was the case. From what I have seen, he looks pretty good.

[Claymation]

8 minutes ago, Barkus said:

Saleh will make adjustments to compensate. He lost both bosa and armstead to ACL early on last yr (vs the Jets) and he still had a top 5 defense. Maybe he will have to blitz more and/or someone else will step up. Still some guys out there to pick up needed as others have posted, Aldon smith was not mentioned. 

I hope you are right. 

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, Claymation said:

Thankfully we didn't, because we wouldn't have Wilson if that was the case. From what I have seen, he looks pretty good.

Thats true but really a different conversation.  What I'm saying is we should have won 4-5 last year, I think we're better set up this season with Zach, the roster changes and CS.  

And now because we lost Lawson we're a 4 win team?  Maybe?

Theres too many overreacting 

[The Crusher]

6 hours ago, AFJF said:

Chandler Jones wants out of Arizona.  Jets have a ton of cap space, lots of picks and just lost Lawson.

What would you do?

The disappointed fan in me says yes. Like everyone else I was looking forward to that D line/ pass rush with an up and coming edge like Mr. Carl Lawson. Hopefully a complete and total recovery for him. 
 

But, it’s really hard to give up draft capital and even harder to think Joe Douglas  is going to do it based on his approach so far. Not sure how much Jones has in the tank but he certainly has been good for a really long time and likely pass his peak. JD seems to want players transitioning in the other direction. It’s said to much but Jones will go to a “ win now team.” 

[LIJetsFan]

23 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Yeah, while we all fantasize about playoffs the jets need to see who they’re keeping beyond this season.  And with 2 picks in the first and second rounds next year you know pass rushers will be emphasized in the scouting process.

GM: No more past their prime vets.  No more trading away our future.

HC: You've got good depth in the trenches.  So, same plan as at DB, let's see which youngsters step up.  I trust you in this area more so than any other HC in memory.

Fans: Chill and enjoy the ride.             

[Claymation]

2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Thats true but really a different conversation.  What I'm saying is we should have won 4-5 last year, I think we're better set up this season with Zach, the roster changes and CS.  

And now because we lost Lawson we're a 4 win team?  Maybe?

Theres too many overreacting 

I was never of the belief that this was a 8-9 win team. There are too many rookies and 2nd year players in prominent roles. They will make God awful mistakes, where fans will think they suck and question their role on this team.

The rookies will eventually hit a wall around Thanksgiving, because they have never played a season this long. Having played 15 games including pre-season with 5 to go. Lawson is good for a win or two. 

[NamathToCaster]

I am pulling for Carl and know he has the drive to make a comeback, but Joe Douglas took a risk with Carl's prior history and unfortunately it did not work out this season.  Up until now,  it was looking like a genius move to acquire him.  Maybe a learning experience for Joe.

[Embrace the Suck]

Nope, roll with what you got on the d-line. O-line would be a different story. This isn't a contending year; it's a growth year.