Official 2022 Free Agency Thread

[slats]

32 minutes ago, derp said:

Agree. Wilson shows something and they’ve got a three year window to get loose. If not there’s a chance somebody hits the reset button - not sure the Johnson’s want Douglas to be that guy unless the team’s around .500 despite poor QB play, and even then I’m not positive.

I’d like to see them acquire extra 2023 capital anyway but it’d be a nice hedge to have on Wilson’s level of play.

Yeah, I’ve talked a lot about this, too. I think if he can get an extra first next year to hedge his Wilson bet, he will. Have to keep resources in reserve until they’re sure they have their QB. 

[Adoni Beast]

58 minutes ago, varjet said:

Robert Woods would be a great addition to this team.  Let him and Corey fight out for a spot next year.  

Elijah Moore is great, but for some reason I think his over/under games played/season is 11.

JD basically has viable starters at least as good as last years at virtually all of the positions.  LB and WR could still use help unless you are counting on Mims.  

Woods adds a tremendous amount of value to this team. 

I don't see Woods and Davis would have to fight for a spot at all. In fact I think they would compliment each other really well. Woods could eat up the field for big yardage and Davis would be a nice red zone / 3rd down target.

Both could easily co-exist with Moore and Honey Nut Berrios working the slot.

[nycdan]

So just a thought on all of this.

IF we knew we had a stud young QB, I think it would be worth bringing in a top WR on a stupid contract.   And let's be honest, Adam's contract is stupid.  That's a "we're all in right now" deal.  Robinson's contract is affordable but very high for the risk, as was Cooper's.  I think if we can determine this year that Wilson is going to become a good QB, then next year, we can see that kind of deal happen.  But if Wilson doesn't pan out, carrying an expensive WR is only going to make it harder to solve the QB problem.  

[Tranquilo]

26 minutes ago, maury77 said:

The Jags are ready to win now?

The Jags are freaking morons

[kevinc855]

1 hour ago, Jetlife33 said:

 

I said before and this offseason continues to prove it. This is a VERY risky rebuild. In the end, we didn't get any game changers, did we upgrade? Of course? Did anyone watch last years team? Hard not to upgrade.

With that said can we beat the Bills, Chiefs, Chargers etc? JD, I'm proud you think YOU dictate the market but can you win us a Super Bowl. Because winning the Super Bowl is the job, not protecting the Johnsons money. 

He now HAS to hit on these picks. We will see how the W-L record shakes out this year but I'm slightly worried. 

[Jetlife33]

 

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[Integrity28]

8 minutes ago, nycdan said:

So just a thought on all of this.

IF we knew we had a stud young QB, I think it would be worth bringing in a top WR on a stupid contract.   And let's be honest, Adam's contract is stupid.  That's a "we're all in right now" deal.  Robinson's contract is affordable but very high for the risk, as was Coopers.  I think if we can determine this year that Wilson is going to become a good QB, then next year, we can see that kind of deal happen.  But if Wilson doesn't pan out, carrying an expensive WR is only going to make it harder to solve the QB problem.  

Add to that the fact that the NFL used to have 5-10 great WRs and the mediocrity. Now, the position is just so much deeper, 20-25 excellent WRs. Enough very good ones to allow teams to be loaded, then the mediocre.

Draft the future.

 

[Jetlife33]

 

[nycdan]

1 minute ago, Jetlife33 said:

 

 

Well to be fair, Travis Kelce and Aunt Bernice are probably the best duo.

Marc Andrews and Aunt Bernice a close second.

Maybe these guys can compete for third place?

[Integrity28]

2 minutes ago, Jetlife33 said:

 

Be great if Conk and CJ end up being more impactful that Henry and Jonnu.

[JohnnyLV]

50 minutes ago, DetroitRed said:

I missed where its a proven fact that Watson sexually assaulted people 

Can you honestly say that in the face of 22 accusations along with corroborations from masseuses that were looking for NOTHING - no notierity, no criminal charges, no money that is not way way more likely that he did these things than not? And that is the standard (or supposed to be) for the NFL. Not being indited does not mean that he is innocent in any way. People just dismissing his behavior and acting like he and not the women is the victim is just misogynistic ignorant and wrong.

[Dwight Englewood]

Conklin and Uzomah are ok, nothing special

[Jets4Life1979]

I love how everyone on here has Berrios as this amazing receiver that someone like woods or a draft pick cant take away snaps from.....he's a glorified special teamer and a 5th WR on a depth chart....stop jizzing over berrios like we dont need a #1 WR here because we do not have one.

[Jetlife33]

 

[Dwight Englewood]

3 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Can you honestly say that in the face of 22 accusations along with corroborations from masseuses that were looking for NOTHING - no notierity, no criminal charges, no money that is not way way more likely that he did these things than not? And that is the standard (or supposed to be) for the NFL. Not being indited does not mean that he is innocent in any way. People just dismissing his behavior and acting like he and not the women is the victim is just misogynistic ignorant and wrong.

If there was any truth to these allegations the grand jury would have indicted Watson with something 

 

this entire thing was hot air garbage from the beginning 

[Dwight Englewood]

1 minute ago, Jets4Life1979 said:

I love how everyone on here has Berrios as this amazing receiver that someone like woods or a draft pick cant take away snaps from.....he's a glorified special teamer and a 5th WR on a depth chart....stop jizzing over berrios like we dont need a #1 WR here because we do not have one.

Decent depth at slot. Nothing more.  I’m worried about our WR position, again

[32EBoozer]

9 minutes ago, Jetlife33 said:

 

Kroft reaction

[JohnnyLV]

9 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

I said before and this offseason continues to prove it. This is a VERY risky rebuild. In the end, we didn't get any game changers, did we upgrade? Of course? Did anyone watch last years team? Hard not to upgrade.

With that said can we beat the Bills, Chiefs, Chargers etc? JD, I'm proud you think YOU dictate the market but can you win us a Super Bowl. Because winning the Super Bowl is the job, not protecting the Johnsons money. 

He now HAS to hit on these picks. We will see how the W-L record shakes out this year but I'm slightly worried. 

So which "game changers" should we have gotten? And remember with Laken we are going from maybe the weakest spot on our team to a Pro Bowl level player.

[T0mShane]

27 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

Ok, jokes aside - honest response.

There were two options going into this season, as I see it.  Do exactly what they're doing, and build "the right wayTM" around Zach Wilson, hoping he does in fact grow into the player they drafted him to be, or YOLO it, go after a bunch of big names, and trade off Wilson after trying to secure Rodgers/Wilson/Watson.  Half measures is what we've been used to, and it's no surprise it hasn't worked.  Add to that, those three guys (with Rodgers returning to GB) have the clout at this point to decide where they play, and I think it's safe to consider that Rodgers wasn't going to come here, Watson is being traded out of the conference, and that left Wilson.  Additionally, Devante Adams wasn't coming here.  So that big fish was out too.  Essentially, we either land Russell Wilson, or there's no other path to compete in 2022.

Even with all that, by not making a big move, our incremental growth can be accelerated, with two top 10 picks.  We've solidified the offensive line, so we should come out of this with at worst two of these three: top edge, top DB, top WR, and still have two good 2nd round picks as well.  Personally, I have faith that we'll do at least reasonably well with those picks, and next offseason, if Wilson bombs, I have no issue taking our 2023 top 10 pick, and going after whatever QB might be dangling.  Hell, I'd have brought in someone this offseason that could beat him out too, but that player wouldn't make the Jets a competitor in todays AFC.

Long story short, I'm on board with the plan, even if I don't trust/believe in Wilson.  I guess I just don't see the alternative.

So, I guess I see everything these Jets are doing as a long-con half measure that ultimately leads to nowhere. In the Jets division, the Bills are going to be dynastic, and it would appear as though the Patriots are going to stay good; in the AFC, the Jets are easily the worst, most talent-poor team three years in to Joe Douglas’s regime. It would appear that the plan going forward is to just run the ball a million times to hide the middling QB, which is what Saleh learned from Shanahan. I don’t see how that gets the Jets close to competing for anything any time soon, which is why I was advocating for taking the Hail Mary shot at Watson and keeping fingers crossed that it would work out. They had the draft capital to do it, and Watson was allegedly amenable to playing here (as rumored when he first made his trade request, pre-allegations). 
 

As fun as some of these signings have been, Douglas only got two players who can possibly move the needle in Tomlinson and Reed. Uzomah and Conklin are obviously better than what we has at TE, but even with that, they’re just solid veteran players. I very much appreciate using free agency to add players at low-value positions so as not to waste draft capital on guards and TEs, but we went into free agency as three to six win team and we come out of it as a three to six win team. Is the draft going to change that? Douglas had a catastrophic 2020 draft and a reasonably good 2021 draft (a guard, a WR2, RB2, and a bunch of CBs that they apparently don’t think are even CB2 quality). We hold picks 4 and 10 in what is widely considered to be a weak first round, particularly at positions of our greatest need. Zero chance he’s picking Thibodeaux (assuming he falls), and it’s unlikely he burns a top ten on any of these receivers unless he thinks Garrett Wilson is Deebo Samuel. I understand the theory behind the “plan,” I just don’t see how it works within the time frame they need it to work. Without some Zach Wilson epiphany, it’s the road to nowhere, and Wilson hasn’t given anyone any reason to believe he’s any good. 

[JohnnyLV]

3 minutes ago, Dwight Englewood said:

If there was any truth to these allegations the grand jury would have indicted Watson with something 

 

this entire thing was hot air garbage from the beginning 

That is patently false. Sexual assault cases are incredibly hard to win in court, largely because of people with your views and around 1% get inditements. It's just complete BS to think that this is some grand conspiracy against Watson. But the world loves their BS conspiracy theories now.

[kevinc855]

Just now, johnnysd said:

So which "game changers" should we have gotten? And remember with Laken we are going from maybe the weakest spot on our team to a Pro Bowl level player.

Adams, Robinson, people that win you football games and make our very marginal to weak QB at the moment better.

I love DJ Reed and guys like Whitehead but they arent winning you superbowls. Lets face it, honestly Whitehead is a downgrade from Maye. Once again JD didnt wan to pay MArcus Williams

[Jetlife33]

 

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Irish Jet said:

Jets have as fickle as any fanbase in the league.

People can wax lyrical about Douglas’ approach all they want if the Jets start this season like any of the last three years then they’ll be calling for his head. You already seen a substantial part of the fanbase turn on Saleh during the lowest parts of last season. 

I disagree with the Saleh part of this. Fans and media gave him a pass because of Wilson and because of the Bengals win, but if he gets off to a slow start this year, that running-the-stairs bit is going to get old fast.

[Tranquilo]

1 minute ago, kevinc855 said:

Adams, Robinson, people that win you football games and make our very marginal to weak QB at the moment better.

I love DJ Reed and guys like Whitehead but they arent winning you superbowls. Lets face it, honestly Whitehead is a downgrade from Maye. Once again JD didnt wan to pay MArcus Williams

How do you plan to get players that do not want to play here? Adams wants to play for the Raiders and Carr. Robinson wants to play for a Super Bowl contender.

Whitehead literally won a Super Bowl 2 years ago. These guys are good players. You get as many good players as you can and keep building. There are no shortcuts. 

[JohnnyLV]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

So, I guess I see everything these Jets are doing as a long-con half measure that ultimately leads to nowhere. In the Jets division, the Bills are going to be dynastic, and it would appear as though the Patriots are going to stay good; in the AFC, the Jets are easily the worst, most talent-poor team three years in to Joe Douglas’s regime. It would appear that the plan going forward is to just run the ball a million times to hide the middling QB, which is what Saleh learned from Shanahan. I don’t see how that gets the Jets close to competing for anything any time soon, which is why I was advocating for taking the Hail Mary shot at Watson and keeping fingers crossed that it would work out. They had the draft capital to do it, and Watson was allegedly amenable to playing here (as rumored when he first made his trade request, pre-allegations). 
 

As fun as some of these signings have been, Douglas only got two players who can possibly move the needle in Tomlinson and Reed. Uzomah and Conklin are obviously better than what we has at TE, but even with that, they’re just solid veteran players. I very much appreciate using free agency to add players at low-value positions so as not to waste draft capital on guards and TEs, but we went into free agency as three to six win team and we come out of it as a three to six win team. Is the draft going to change that? Douglas had a catastrophic 2020 draft and a reasonably good 2021 draft (a guard, a WR2, RB2, and a bunch of CBs that they apparently don’t think are even CB2 quality). We hold picks 4 and 10 in what is widely considered to be a weak first round, particularly at positions of our greatest need. Zero chance he’s picking Thibodeaux (assuming he falls), and it’s unlikely he burns a top ten on any of these receivers unless he thinks Garrett Wilson is Deebo Samuel. I understand the theory behind the “plan,” I just don’t see how it works within the time frame they need it to work. Without some Zach Wilson epiphany, it’s the road to nowhere, and Wilson hasn’t given anyone any reason to believe he’s any good. 

Well if you irrationally hate Zach then nothing the Jets do will make you think the Jets will compete.

[Dwight Englewood]

2 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

That is patently false. Sexual assault cases are incredibly hard to win in court, largely because of people with your views and around 1% get inditements. It's just complete BS to think that this is some grand conspiracy against Watson. But the world loves their BS conspiracy theories now.

No you’re absolutely wrong.  If there were 22 victims testifying in court and the jury found them credible Watson would be going to jail no problem

 

The witnesses, if they even testified, were never found to be credible and that’s why there wasn’t even an indictment let alone conviction 

 

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Adams, Robinson, people that win you football games and make our very marginal to weak QB at the moment better.

I love DJ Reed and guys like Whitehead but they arent winning you superbowls. Lets face it, honestly Whitehead is a downgrade from Maye. Once again JD didnt wan to pay MArcus Williams

Adams was never coming here and neither Adams or Robinson has played in a SB. 

We definitely need another WR, but I don't think either of those guys was realistic. 

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

So which "game changers" should we have gotten? And remember with Laken we are going from maybe the weakest spot on our team to a Pro Bowl level player.

The weakest spot on the team is QB1.

[Dwight Englewood]

Just now, johnnysd said:

Well if you irrationally hate Zach then nothing the Jets do will make you think the Jets will compete.

He’s not wrong

[Jetlife33]

2 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Adams, Robinson, people that win you football games and make our very marginal to weak QB at the moment better.

I love DJ Reed and guys like Whitehead but they arent winning you superbowls. Lets face it, honestly Whitehead is a downgrade from Maye. Once again JD didnt wan to pay MArcus Williams

Takes two to tango. Adams didn’t want more money from Green Bay to play with Aaron Rodgers. Took less to force his way out to the raiders. Some moves make sense on paper but would never happen. I agree with you though I’ve said it throughout he needs to bring in more playmakers. It’s been a solid FA period but not enough playmakers imo. 

[Dwight Englewood]

Just now, T0mShane said:

The weakest spot on the team is QB1.

Until White gets the gig, again

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

That is patently false. Sexual assault cases are incredibly hard to win in court, largely because of people with your views and around 1% get inditements. It's just complete BS to think that this is some grand conspiracy against Watson. But the world loves their BS conspiracy theories now.

Deshaun Watson is going to be eligible to play football in the NFL this season and some team is about to acquire an elite 26 year old QB.