These things don't go together- Trey Burks

[fullblast]

1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

I wanted DK Metcalf at 3 over QW and people mocked....MOCKED me!! ? 

 

I think Burk is a bigger Deebo, better than London (who will run a 4.7... if he does run a 40) and the second best WR in the draft behind G. Wilson. 

 

I'd also put him behind a healthy Jameson Williams, but agreed.

[GangGreen Machine]

I see the Jets drafting a high floor WR guy. maybe Wilson or Williams. They cannot afford to miss at this position after showing their hand with Hill.

I hope they find the best route runner to pair with Moore. Someone who can get some much needed separation amongst the present WR room. 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I am very bad at receiver analysis. A real blind spot in my otherwise flawless scouting repertoire.

To be fair, your history with quarterbacks is pretty bad too. 

[RedBeardedSavage]

3 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

The Good:

 

 

The Ugly:

 

Very confusing, kid looks fast af on the field, and then had a bad day at the combine.

 

Personally,  I like him. I would LOVE him at 10 if Wilson is gone. I think he's way better than London (who had future Amazon drivers draped all over him on every catch), and would be a perfect complement to Davis/Moore  etc.

 

Thoughts?

The interesting thing with Burks is - vs Alabama he played great and was timed in MPH, in that game, as something absurdly fast. It did not show up in combine testing though? 

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

This is the horrific RAS graph of the notoriously unathletic slug DeAndre Hopkins.

 

I don't even know what to say about D Hop. Clearly a beast. Clearly did not test well athletically. Outlier?

 

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Ultra slow Davante Adams

 

 

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The laughable and putris RAS graph for unproductive turd Cooper Kupp

 

And then there's these two. Quite possibly two of the best route runners in the league.

• Kupp's three cone was excellent, especially his pro day one. It shows up in his ability to separate easily
• Adams vert is excellent, 3 cone is solid AF and his 40 is also competitive

RAS in totality? Yea I think it can be misleading. But there is usually something in the specific tests that can show you how they win?

But what's weird about Burks - on tape he looked like he was just a dope athlete that beat everyone with his size/speed combo. I'm sure draft forum posters could elaborate, but it doesn't seem to me like he's some great route runner, right?

Seems like he wins with athleticism... but didn't test like an elite athlete?

I don't think it disqualifies him, but it's certainly fair to knock a guy down the board when the tape doesn't match the athletic profile. Whether it's Travon Walker and his ridiculous combine pumping him up or Burks and his poor combine not matching his tape, it seems reasonable to be like "WTF?"

Whereas a dude like Garrett Wilson? He played fast at Ohio State and then ran fast at the combine. Wouldn't it just be wiser to take Wilson over Burks?

I'm just confused on Burks, he seems to win with athleticism, but tests as a pedestrian athlete (in WR terms).

[tfine]

Vernon Gholston had a great combine


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[Jetworks]

3 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

I wanted DK Metcalf at 3 over QW and people mocked....MOCKED me!! ? 

 

I think Burk is a bigger Deebo, better than London (who will run a 4.7... if he does run a 40) and the second best WR in the draft behind G. Wilson. 

 

Burks is the one guy I have hoped all along that they would draft; he's also the one I fully expect to watch go to another team. 

[Gastineau Lives]

1 hour ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

To be fair, your history with quarterbacks is pretty bad too. 

What? Josh Rosen was good, no?

Matt Leinart?

Shane has an affinity for the playboy types. 

[Stark]

4 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

The Good:

 

 

The Ugly:

 

Very confusing, kid looks fast af on the field, and then had a bad day at the combine.

 

Personally,  I like him. I would LOVE him at 10 if Wilson is gone. I think he's way better than London (who had future Amazon drivers draped all over him on every catch), and would be a perfect complement to Davis/Moore  etc.

 

Thoughts?

Yes. I said this as the combine was airing. The kid runs away from DBs, doesn’t get tackled by the first guy, can go up and win contested catches. 
 

id be happy with Burks 

[Gastineau Lives]

He's my favorite receiver in the draft. You can use him in a variety of ways, screens, out of the backfield, he's a weapon in the Deebo and Cordarelle Patterson mold.

[Be_a_Jet]

I loved Burks initially and have softened on him over time but as the draft gets closer I’m going back to my initial instincts. Burks just make plays and does it after the catch regularly. 
 

I tried to get myself to like London because he’s a big WR and was a captain at USC which I know JD covets…but Burks is just so much better for this offense- he’s a YAC machine and he really does a good job gettin his body in position in front of DBs whereas London seems to win off pure skill and high pointing ball - which I think is less sustainable in NFL. 
 

Garrett Wilson has the highest floor and I fall back to him bc he’s the safest. But if I’m trying to hit a home run I think Burks is that dude. London is 3rd on my list now. 

[David Harris]

4 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

He's gone by 15 

Don’t think so, late first, maybe second

[Jet_Engine1]

10 minutes ago, Be_a_Jet said:

I loved Burks initially and have softened on him over time but as the draft gets closer I’m going back to my initial instincts. Burks just make plays and does it after the catch regularly. 
 

I tried to get myself to like London because he’s a big WR and was a captain at USC which I know JD covets…but Burks is just so much better for this offense- he’s a YAC machine and he really does a good job gettin his body in position in front of DBs whereas London seems to win off pure skill and high pointing ball - which I think is less sustainable in NFL. 
 

Garrett Wilson has the highest floor and I fall back to him bc he’s the safest. But if I’m trying to hit a home run I think Burks is that dude. London is 3rd on my list now. 

I concur with all of this.

[Jet_Engine1]

1 minute ago, David Harris said:

Don’t think so, late first, maybe second

Gentleman's bet?

[Hal N of Provo]

5 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

The Good:

 

 

The Ugly:

 

Very confusing, kid looks fast af on the field, and then had a bad day at the combine.

 

Personally,  I like him. I would LOVE him at 10 if Wilson is gone. I think he's way better than London (who had future Amazon drivers draped all over him on every catch), and would be a perfect complement to Davis/Moore  etc.

 

Thoughts?

I was starting to laugh at the idea the kid was going to run a 4.3, but watching the highlights he does look really fast on the field.  Some of those DBs he’s pulling away from run <4.5s I bet.  

[David Harris]

1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Gentleman's bet?

Sure. I’ll take the over at 15.5.

[Jet_Engine1]

17 minutes ago, David Harris said:

Sure. I’ll take the over at 15.5.

Done....Cool. 

[TuscanyTile2]

5 hours ago, KRL said:

Some people "play faster" than they test.  Anquan Boldin was one and he had a great career:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoldAn00.htm

 

Anquan Bolden was one heck of a player.  Tough as nails too.  I remember when the Jets' secondary hit him so hard that they broke bones in his face on (IIRC) a TD catch.  

[PS17]

3 hours ago, Be_a_Jet said:

I loved Burks initially and have softened on him over time but as the draft gets closer I’m going back to my initial instincts. Burks just make plays and does it after the catch regularly. 
 

I tried to get myself to like London because he’s a big WR and was a captain at USC which I know JD covets…but Burks is just so much better for this offense- he’s a YAC machine and he really does a good job gettin his body in position in front of DBs whereas London seems to win off pure skill and high pointing ball - which I think is less sustainable in NFL. 
 

Garrett Wilson has the highest floor and I fall back to him bc he’s the safest. But if I’m trying to hit a home run I think Burks is that dude. London is 3rd on my list now. 

Guys I’d take over London, for starters: Wilson, Burks, Olave, Williams. London just looks slow on tape. I see him being a moderately better JJ Arcega Whiteside. 

[T0mShane]

10 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

To be fair, your history with quarterbacks is pretty bad too. 

Jimmy, all of my football opinions are very bad.

[k-met57]

11 hours ago, genot said:

I think you're right. Probably oversold Pickens. I do feel he's more of a big play threat and better route runner than Burks. Problem with Pickens is he's missed a bunch of games the last two years. Good choice in the 2nd rd, if we double dip. 

a lot of people see WR1 upside in him, i don't blame you for thinking he could be good. its def a gamble though.

[genot]

15 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

a lot of people see WR1 upside in him, i don't blame you for thinking he could be good. its def a gamble though.

It's all a gamble. Especially in this draft.

[Smashmouth]

On 3/27/2022 at 4:11 PM, Jet_Engine1 said:

The Good:

 

 

The Ugly:

 

Very confusing, kid looks fast af on the field, and then had a bad day at the combine.

 

Personally,  I like him. I would LOVE him at 10 if Wilson is gone. I think he's way better than London (who had future Amazon drivers draped all over him on every catch), and would be a perfect complement to Davis/Moore  etc.

 

Thoughts?

So let me get this straight he looks great on the field and fast as well while actually playing football but this kid is going to drop due to bullsh*t combine numbers ?

How many 4.3 combine guys we see play slow ? 

Its not all about speed and beating a guy deep to try and catch a pass that has about a 20% chance of being completed. 

This kid will do more damage playing within a 15 yard window just like Deebo yet people are still infatuated with 2 tenths of a second. 

[PepPep]

13 hours ago, Jetworks said:

Burks is the one guy I have hoped all along that they would draft; he's also the one I fully expect to watch go to another team. 

Jets seem to 'like' him. I heard they were at his pro day, then immediately scheduled a meeting with him right after. Burks has tweeted after the combine that he loves the Jets and would love to be a Jet...or something to that extent. But take that with a grain of salt. Any WR would probably say that cuz the Jets hold two top 10 picks. 

To me, Burks is the kind of guy the Jets might actually really like and trade up for from Rd. 2 into mid to late rd. 1. HOWEVER, I do not see JD drafting him with one of his top 10 picks. 

[Jet_Engine1]

11 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Anquan Bolden was one heck of a player.  Tough as nails too.  I remember when the Jets' secondary hit him so hard that they broke bones in his face on (IIRC) a TD catch.  

Eric Smith broke his face. He didn't drop the ball 

[TuscanyTile2]

17 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Eric Smith broke his face. He didn't drop the ball 

Most TD catches don't include the WR dropping the ball. 

[Jet_Engine1]

46 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Most TD catches don't include the WR dropping the ball. 

Hw BROKE HIS FAAAACE!!

[Jet_Engine1]

18 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

The Good:

 

 

The Ugly:

 

Very confusing, kid looks fast af on the field, and then had a bad day at the combine.

 

Personally,  I like him. I would LOVE him at 10 if Wilson is gone. I think he's way better than London (who had future Amazon drivers draped all over him on every catch), and would be a perfect complement to Davis/Moore  etc.

 

Thoughts?

What need explaining, @92ShaunEllis92?

[56mehl56]

19 hours ago, genot said:

If it wasn't for the medical red flags Jamison Williams and George Pickens are by far the two best receivers in this draft  If Douglas is confident that both can return at %100, that's who we would trade up for.

Look at the teams Williams and Pickens played on , then look at Arkansas. Put Burks on Bama or Georgia and the narrative would be how can we not draft him #4. I think the Jets nab him with their #10 pick and I'd extremely happy. 

[genot]

5 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Look at the teams Williams and Pickens played on , then look at Arkansas. Put Burks on Bama or Georgia and the narrative would be how can we not draft him #4. I think the Jets nab him with their #10 pick and I'd extremely happy. 

I'm not knocking Burks. Good WR. I think he's more of a possession type receiver. Not as much of a big play guy as Pickens and Williams  could be.

[56mehl56]

7 minutes ago, genot said:

I'm not knocking Burks. Good WR. I think he's more of a possession type receiver. Not as much of a big play guy as Pickens and Williams  could be.

The thing with Burks is he can be used all over the field as a WR. Guys like Pickens and Williams are more stretch the filed outside type receivers , while we need that type of guy I feel the versatility that Burks can bring in our offense makes him a more logical choice.