Poll: Has the Flacco delusion surpassed the Streveler Delusion?

[TuscanyTile2]

Has the Flacco delusion surpassed the Streveler Delusion?

Please leave the HOF'er out of this thread. 

[slats]

Or the Mike White delusion? 
 
It has for this week. I’m hoping it lasts another and this place gets whipped up into its predictable frenzy when Zach is named the starter for Pittsburgh late next week. 

[T0mShane]

The common denominator is both delusions are fueled by pro-Zach Wilson paranoiacs who don’t want to deal with the fact that Zach sucks. 

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

Or the Mike White delusion? 
 
It has for this week. I’m hoping it lasts another and this place gets whipped up into its predictable frenzy when Zach is named the starter for Pittsburgh late next week. 

As mentioned in the post, "Please leave the HOF'er out of this thread."

[Kolchak]

Seriously, I'm not done with  the James Morgan is an NFL QB delusion.  I haven't gotten to Flacco or Streveler yet.

[Biggs]

Personally I think Flacco is awful.   I also think he's the best QB on the roster right now.  

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, Kolchak said:

Seriously, I'm not done with  the James Morgan is an NFL QB delusion.  I haven't gotten to Flacco or Streveler yet.

I'm right there with you!

#JamesMorganTruth

[Warfish]

I just want decent, average, competent QB play, regardless of which QB provides it.

If that is a delusion, so be it. With that said, I think threads like this only serve to further the division. You’d better hope Zach doesn’t suck when he returns, because you’re likely to have threads like this thrown back in your face by some folks.

[slimjasi]

9 minutes ago, slats said:

Or the Mike White delusion? 
 
It has for this week. I’m hoping it lasts another and this place gets whipped up into its predictable frenzy when Zach is named the starter for Pittsburgh late next week. 

end thread

[jgb]

It’s not delusion it is the enthusiastic enjoyment of competent play from the most important position in sport.

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I just want decent, average, competent QB play, regardless of which QB provides it.

If that is a delusion, so be it.

It is.  Have you forgotten which franchise you root for?  

 

[playtowinthegame]

You crackin' jokes about our Super Bowl MVP Smokin' Joe Flacco? lmao

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, jgb said:

It’s not delusion it is the enthusiastic enjoyment of competent play from the most important position in sport.

A series of veteran washouts have come in and, to a man, run this offense better than the injury-riddled second overall pick in the draft. A CFL backup came in and ran this offense better than the injury-riddled second overall pick in the draft. Real Jets fans turn on and mock the veterans and the CFL backup instead of confronting the fact that the injury-riddled second overall pick in the draft has been the worst performing quarterback on the roster. 

[slats]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The common denominator is both delusions are fueled by pro-Zach Wilson paranoiacs who don’t want to deal with the fact that Zach sucks. 

Both delusions are the product of Zach haters, many like yourself (and now lead by yourself) who never liked him, and absolutely refuse to even give him a chance.
 
The reality of the situation is that the former #2 pick with his $35M guaranteed needs to play so that they can make the determination whether he’s going to be the guy going forward or not. The best case scenario for the Jets is that Wilson is that guy. So that’s what I’m rooting for unless or until they make the decision to go in another direction. And that has nothing to do with my current opinion on his level of play so far. It appears that JD has provided the offense with weapons, so now it’s gonna be make or break for Zach. If you’re so convinced that he sucks, you should be happy for the reckoning that’s on its way. You’ll be in a position to bask in glory. 

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

A series of veteran washouts have come in and, to a man, run this offense better than the injury-riddled second overall pick in the draft. A CFL backup came in and ran this offense better than the injury-riddled second overall pick in the draft. Real Jets fans turn on and mock the veterans and the CFL backup instead of confronting the fact that the injury-riddled second overall pick in the draft has been the worst performing quarterback on the roster. 

Real Jets Fan™: “QB doesn’t matter without weaponz.”

HateR Troll Fake Jets Fan: “Here’s the list of guys who looked competent in the same situation as….”

Real Jets Fans™: “HATR TROLL FAKE JETS FAN THAT KISSES YOUR FATHER WITH AN OPEN MOUTH!!!!”

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

If you’re so convinced that he sucks, you should be happy for the reckoning that’s on its way. You’ll be in a position to bask in glory. 

Indeed, I am excited for Saleh to re-insert Zach Wilson into a relatively high-performing offense against a string of brutal matchups and have to show out without a stitch of an excuse for struggling. 

[Biggs]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

Both delusions are the product of Zach haters, many like yourself (and now lead by yourself) who never liked him, and absolutely refuse to even give him a chance.
 
The reality of the situation is that the former #2 pick with his $35M guaranteed needs to play so that they can make the determination whether he’s going to be the guy going forward or not. The best case scenario for the Jets is that Wilson is that guy. So that’s what I’m rooting for unless or until they make the decision to go in another direction. And that has nothing to do with my current opinion on his level of play so far. It appears that JD has provided the offense with weapons, so now it’s gonna be make or break for Zach. If you’re so convinced that he sucks, you should be happy for the reckoning that’s on its way. You’ll be in a position to bask in glory. 

Jets fans actually enjoy wins.  Zach fans seem to be invested in proving he's the guy at all costs before he's ready.   Zach will get action in garbage time and when Flacco eventually plays himself out.  In the meantime the O is developing so when Zach gets his chance he'll be in a better position to do very well. 

Zach doesn't have to prove he's the real deal this week or even this year.  

[slats]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Indeed, I am excited for Saleh to re-insert Zach Wilson into a relatively high-performing offense against a string of brutal matchups and have to show out without a stitch of an excuse for struggling. 

See? Nothing but fun coming your way. 

[tommyduhamelshouse]

Let me try this in another language:

WIN. FOOTBALL. GAMES.

[slats]

6 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Jets fans actually enjoy wins.  Zach fans seem to be invested in proving he's the guy at all costs before he's ready.   Zach will get action in garbage time and when Flacco eventually plays himself out.  In the meantime the O is developing so when Zach gets his chance he'll be in a better position to do very well. 

Zach doesn't have to prove he's the real deal this week or even this year.  

I would not categorize myself as a Zach fan. I’m a Jet fan that wants to see sustained success out of the team, not some Fitzmagic-like one-off that leads nowhere. Getting the answer to the Zach question is key in that regard. The team can’t go into 2023 without having a plan at the QB position. That plan isn’t going to be Flacco, Streveler, or White. It might still be Zach, and it might not, but they definitely need to find out sooner rather than later. 

[jgb]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Indeed, I am excited for Saleh to re-insert Zach Wilson into a relatively high-performing offense against a string of brutal matchups and have to show out without a stitch of an excuse for struggling. 

I also can’t wait to piss away wins so that others can agree to the obvious.

[TuscanyTile2]

5 minutes ago, slats said:

I would not categorize myself as a Zach fan. I’m a Jet fan that wants to see sustained success out of the team, not some Fitzmagic-like one-off that leads nowhere. Getting the answer to the Zach question is key in that regard. The team can’t go into 2023 without having a plan at the QB position. That plan isn’t going to be Flacco, Streveler, or White. It might still be Zach, and it might not, but they definitely need to find out sooner rather than later. 

The bold text is exactly it.  

[Larz]

We need a “this poll really wasn’t necessary “ choice

[Untouchable]

Flacco is a Super Bowl winning QB and 14 year vet who has shown plenty in the past and present.

Streveler has never, and will never, accomplish dick in the NFL.

[Irish Jet]

We're really out here comparing a Superbowl MVP to a guy who couldn't cut it in Canada.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, Larz said:

We need a “this poll really wasn’t necessary “ choice

Everyone stop posting!  The thread police has arrived! 

[TuscanyTile2]

Just now, Irish Jet said:

We're really out here comparing a Superbowl MVP to a guy who couldn't cut it in Canada.

I'll have you know that The Strev was the backup on a Grey Cup winning team.

[Biggs]

1 minute ago, slats said:

I would not categorize myself as a Zach fan. I’m a Jet fan that wants to see sustained success out of the team, not some Fitzmagic-like one-off that leads nowhere. Getting the answer to the Zach question is key in that regard. The team can’t go into 2023 without having a plan at the QB position. That plan isn’t going to be Flacco, Streveler, or White. It might still be Zach, and it might not, but they definitely need to find out sooner rather than later. 

I disagree completely.  Zach is under contract for 4 years with an option for a 5th year.   We can definetely see what he has in limited snaps this year.  Let him develop slowly.  Bring in a decent vet and start Zach next year from day 1.   If they're not confident we can draft a QB next year and if Zach develops into a star we can trade one of the QB's for value.  

[Warfish]

12 minutes ago, slats said:

The reality of the situation is that the former #2 pick with his $35M guaranteed needs to play so that they can make the determination whether he’s going to be the guy going forward or not.

I disagree.  The Jets should play whomever will give them the best chance to win that game.

Winning > All Else, including some amorphous concept of what is good for "the future".

If Zach is the best player at his position and has shown that to the coaches, then he should play.  If not, he should not.  

12 minutes ago, slats said:

The best case scenario for the Jets is that Wilson is that guy.

At current, yes, I would agree.

12 minutes ago, slats said:

So that’s what I’m rooting for.....

I believe that is what we're all rooting for, Zach "Lovers" and Zach "Haters" both.

IMO Zach "lovers" think there is a disagreement here that does not exist.  We all want Zach to play like a HOF'er. 

Some simply want to see it first before giving him praise for it.  Faith vs. evidence.  Fans like me do not have faith in Zach, we want to see evidence Zach is great.  

12 minutes ago, slats said:

...unless or until they make the decision to go in another direction.

Wait, so your support for Zach is conditional?  If the Jets "go another direction" officially at any point, then you no longer support Zach?

So for example, then, if Saleh announced today that Flacco is his QB for the rest of 2022, you would then support Flacco and no longer support Zach because the team "went in another direction" officially?

12 minutes ago, slats said:

And that has nothing to do with my current opinion on his level of play so far. It appears that JD has provided the offense with weapons, so now it’s gonna be make or break for Zach. If you’re so convinced that he sucks, you should be happy for the reckoning that’s on its way. You’ll be in a position to bask in glory. 

We should all be happy for the reckoning to come, because it should effectively answer your "see what we have in Zach" question, one way or the other.  

[nj meadowlands]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

IMO Zach "lovers" think there is a disagreement here that does not exist.  We all want Zach to play like a HOF'er. 

There is overwhelming evidence on this message board to the contrary.

[Biggs]

2 minutes ago, nj meadowlands said:

There is overwhelming evidence on this message board to the contrary.

Want and belief aren't the same thing.  

[doitny]

34 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

It is.  Have you forgotten which franchise you root for?  

 

and maybe thats the problem with this franchise. we keep drafting QBs in rd 1 and give the scholarships.  he had his last year and was getting one this year until last week. saying this year is "Zach or Die" is an example as why we are like this.it was " Sam or Die " for 3 years. whos next? 

Flacco starts till he sucks...... when Zach comes back he will start no mater had bad he sucks. thats not a winning formula.

[slimjasi]

18 minutes ago, slats said:

 I’m a Jet fan that wants to see sustained success out of the team, not some Fitzmagic-like one-off that leads nowhere. 

Preach.

This is why, even if Zach busts, you don't stop drafting QBs. We need to find a good young one who can be our guy for a decade plus. It's the best way to field a contending team year in and year out. If you just look at our division, we are the only team who can't seem to draft and develop a good QB who stays here for the long haul. Chad looked like maybe he could be that guy before his body started breaking down. 

The Dolphins dominated the division in the late 80s with Marino, the Bills dominated in the early 90s with Kelly, then the Pats dominated for two decades (!) with Brady. Now the Bills have Allen again and the Dolphins have Tua who is better than people think. When are we going to find our guy? 

[56mehl56]

10 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Want and belief aren't the same thing.  

Beliefs aren't backed up with words like absolute bust , guarantee bust , seen all the evidence . There are some here who flat out want their negative opinions of Zach to come true. 

[56mehl56]

10 minutes ago, doitny said:

and maybe thats the problem with this franchise. we keep drafting QBs in rd 1 and give the scholarships.  he had his last year and was getting one this year until last week. saying this year is "Zach or Die" is an example as why we are like this.it was " Sam or Die " for 3 years. whos next? 

Flacco starts till he sucks...... when Zach comes back he will start no mater had bad he sucks. thats not a winning formula.

So who should have started week 2 ?