Would you trade for Mike Tomlin?

[Jdeet]

If he became available, would you trade a draft pick, for Mike Tomlin?

[BigRy56]

In a heartbeat. Elite, hall of fame coach

[Adoni Beast]

Good coach but no.

[TuscanyTile2]

5 minutes ago, Jdeet said:

If he became available, would you trade a draft pick, for Mike Tomlin?

Absolutely yes.  Not sure I'd want to trade our #1 this year though.  If they'd take our #3 for him (since that's the highest remaining pick we've got this year), I'd be all for it.

[PS17]

No

More

Defensive

Coaches

[Beerfish]

What draft pick?   I assume it would have to be our first, thus probably no.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, PS17 said:

No

More

Defensive

Coaches

I think of Tomlin as far more of a "winning coach" rather than as a "defensive coach".

[Adoni Beast]

2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I think of Tomlin as far more of a "winning coach" rather than as a "defensive coach".

Right but heres the thing. Without a HOF QB in his prime that he was gifted…he has not been able to figure out the offense at all.

 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Yes and no.

Short term, is he better than Bobby Slogans?  1,000% better, yeah.

But long term?  No, I think he's washed.

He knows nothing about coaching offense or QBs either, which handicaps your team in today's NFL.

Stop signing players and hiring dudes who are past their expiration date.

Keep searching and trying until you can find the next great young head coach like the Rams with McVay.

 

[bgivs21]

No. 

To me, he is the ultimate version of high floor low ceiling.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

4 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

..., is he better than Bobby Slogans? 

 

[Ecuadorian Jet]

It is a moot point because we need to level up from mediocre GM to good GM. 

[oatmeal]

No

Im tired of these stone age thinking DC’s that struggle without a competent OC.

 

[BigRy56]

Everybody needs to review their takes on Mike McCarthy before saying no to Tomlin. The guy hasn’t had a losing season ever. This would never happen, because the Steelers would never fire him, but if he became available? Give him the Gruden contract

[The Crusher]

He would likely rather die first. But, if we could figure that out? Sure, why not. 

[Larz]

Nobody wants to work for woody. That’s why the Jets should hang onto the guys they have.  The next crop of candidates would be bottom of the barrel.  
 

Tomlin would immediately retire if he was informed of this trade lol

[BurnleyJet]

I’d sooner trade for Mike XXL, then the trash running to club right now.

[GreenFish]

Hell yea. 

[GreenFish]

18 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I think of Tomlin as far more of a "winning coach" rather than as a "defensive coach".

Yup. He just wins. Team always seems prepared. He gets the most out of his players. A lot like Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll. Those guys just win.

[TuscanyTile2]

13 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Right but heres the thing. Without a HOF QB in his prime that he was gifted…he has not been able to figure out the offense at all.

He'll fit right in then!!! 

 

[Jetsplayer21]

20 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I think of Tomlin as far more of a "winning coach" rather than as a "defensive coach".

Not so great without a HOF qb. Just lost to 3rd worst team in NFL. No coach can be good without a decent gm, qb.

[Jetsplayer21]

Can he block, throw, or catch ? We need to trade for a competent gm. Pitt always seemed to draft the right guys.

[bonkertons]

29 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Absolutely yes.  Not sure I'd want to trade our #1 this year though.  If they'd take our #3 for him (since that's the highest remaining pick we've got this year), I'd be all for it.

If we traded a top-5 pick for a head coach I'd be pretty ******* furious.

[Jets Things]

Can he play OL?

[GreenFish]

18 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

Everybody needs to review their takes on Mike McCarthy before saying no to Tomlin. The guy hasn’t had a losing season ever. This would never happen, because the Steelers would never fire him, but if he became available? Give him the Gruden contract

This is why I think he is the best coach of this generation. A lot of these coaches success can be tied to the QB. Take away the QB and they become ordinary. Tomlin has never had a losing season. I cant even understand how that happens.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, bonkertons said:

If we traded a top-5 pick for a head coach I'd be pretty ******* furious.

If it was Bill Belichick from the year 2000, I'd make that trade.

[faba]

At least he always has the Steelers in contention for playoffs but still would not trade for any coach no matter who they were

[BigRy56]

12 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

This is why I think he is the best coach of this generation. A lot of these coaches success can be tied to the QB. Take away the QB and they become ordinary. Tomlin has never had a losing season. I cant even understand how that happens.

Yup. I put him and John Harbaugh in the same category. Incredible head coaches who can't stop winning no matter the circumstances

[Claymation]

Yes, I would love to get him.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

I love Tomlin, but I'd love to hear him explain his plan for OC and getting a QB. If he had a good plan, I'd love to have him. He was handed a HOF already developed QB, and hasnt been able to do that on his own yet, so I always question if a HC can do that, until they do, they better have a damn good plan for it

[usapaw]

14 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Can he block, throw, or catch ? We need to trade for a competent gm. Pitt always seemed to draft the right guys.

Pitt has a great infrastructure of scouting and management. Tomlin is OK. He was handed a SB team, but earned the 2nd along with Big Ben. 

I would not give any picks to anyone for a coach; I guess it's a millenial thing? 

[Scotty Wooty Doo Doo]

No.... Offensive Guru please !

[PS17]

57 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I think of Tomlin as far more of a "winning coach" rather than as a "defensive coach".

No thanks. 

[Jdeet]

31 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

If it was Bill Belichick from the year 2000, I'd make that trade.

Didn’t we receive a draft pick when we traded Bill to the Pats ?

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, Jdeet said:

Didn’t we receive a draft pick when we traded Bill to the Pats ?

I think we received a 1st rounder and then some.  Then again, I think we traded a lot to get BP.

 

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/bill-belichick-new-england-patriots-trade-new-york-jets/

The Trade

Belichick, as you might expect, came at a far cheaper price than Parcells had four years prior. The Patriots sent the 16th overall pick in the upcoming 2000 draft and fourth- and seventh-rounders in 2001 to the Jets for the rights to Belichick, a 2001 fifth-rounder, and a 2002 seventh-rounder. They would each make subsequent trades packaging those picks in separate deals. In the end, the Jets came away with Shaun Ellis, Jamie Henderson, and James Reed; the Patriots picked up Belichick and two players who never suited up for the team, Arther Love and Owen Pochman.

How much did the Jets pay in terms of value? And what did that actually turn into? Well, it depends on how you factor it. I like using Chase Stuart’s expected draft value chart, which uses data from the past to project how players perform during the first five years of their career, producing a value for each potential draft pick.

We can plug in those values, but the problem is that the picks were sent in various places. We’re not concerned about trades down, because the Jets and Patriots aren’t giving up additional assets when trading down, but the draft picks don’t reflect their full value if they’re used to trade up and grab another player. The Patriots traded a late seventh-rounder that Stuart’s chart assigns zero value to anyway, so we can ignore that one, but the Jets used the first-rounder as part of a package to trade up.

The Jets traded the 16th pick and their second-rounder, the 48th selection, to move up to 12 and draft Ellis. (This is about to get pretty abstract, sorry.) The value of the first-round pick the Jets got for Belichick, then, represents the difference in expected value between the 48th pick and the 12th pick, since that’s the currency they used to move up from 48 to 12 and take Ellis. That’s 8.9 points of Expected Approximate Value, which is roughly equivalent to the 57th pick in the draft. In all, this is how the trade looks:

Pick	Jets	AV	Pick	Patriots	AV
(12-48)	Shaun Ellis	8.9	149	Love, Pochman	2.7
101	Jamie Henderson	5.2	234	(traded up)	0
206	James Reed	0.7
	Total	14.8			2.7
	Difference	12.1

Those 12.1 points of Approximate Value translates to the 34th overall pick in the draft. In other words, in terms of raw value before actually drafting or developing anybody, the Jets traded Belichick for a high second-round pick. Those were the most cost-effective picks in the draft under the old CBA, but I suspect the Jets would reverse the trade if they could.

The simpler way of looking at the trade is that the Jets traded Belichick and their 2000 second-rounder for Ellis, Reed, and Henderson. Reed and Henderson were reserve defensive backs, with Reed starting 15 games in his final season with the team at safety, while Henderson’s career came to a close after a 2004 motorcycle crash. Ellis was a workmanlike two-way defensive end who made two Pro Bowls during his 11-year career with the Jets before finishing up his career with the Patriots in 2011. He produced 87 AV during those 11 seasons in New York, making him the 68th-most valuable player in football by the metric over that time frame.