joewilly12 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 HELL NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I think we received a 1st rounder and then some. Then again, I think we traded a lot to get BP. https://grantland.com/the-triangle/bill-belichick-new-england-patriots-trade-new-york-jets/ The Trade Belichick, as you might expect, came at a far cheaper price than Parcells had four years prior. The Patriots sent the 16th overall pick in the upcoming 2000 draft and fourth- and seventh-rounders in 2001 to the Jets for the rights to Belichick, a 2001 fifth-rounder, and a 2002 seventh-rounder. They would each make subsequent trades packaging those picks in separate deals. In the end, the Jets came away with Shaun Ellis, Jamie Henderson, and James Reed; the Patriots picked up Belichick and two players who never suited up for the team, Arther Love and Owen Pochman. How much did the Jets pay in terms of value? And what did that actually turn into? Well, it depends on how you factor it. I like using Chase Stuart’s expected draft value chart, which uses data from the past to project how players perform during the first five years of their career, producing a value for each potential draft pick. We can plug in those values, but the problem is that the picks were sent in various places. We’re not concerned about trades down, because the Jets and Patriots aren’t giving up additional assets when trading down, but the draft picks don’t reflect their full value if they’re used to trade up and grab another player. The Patriots traded a late seventh-rounder that Stuart’s chart assigns zero value to anyway, so we can ignore that one, but the Jets used the first-rounder as part of a package to trade up. The Jets traded the 16th pick and their second-rounder, the 48th selection, to move up to 12 and draft Ellis. (This is about to get pretty abstract, sorry.) The value of the first-round pick the Jets got for Belichick, then, represents the difference in expected value between the 48th pick and the 12th pick, since that’s the currency they used to move up from 48 to 12 and take Ellis. That’s 8.9 points of Expected Approximate Value, which is roughly equivalent to the 57th pick in the draft. In all, this is how the trade looks: Pick Jets AV Pick Patriots AV (12-48) Shaun Ellis 8.9 149 Love, Pochman 2.7 101 Jamie Henderson 5.2 234 (traded up) 0 206 James Reed 0.7 Total 14.8 2.7 Difference 12.1 Those 12.1 points of Approximate Value translates to the 34th overall pick in the draft. In other words, in terms of raw value before actually drafting or developing anybody, the Jets traded Belichick for a high second-round pick. Those were the most cost-effective picks in the draft under the old CBA, but I suspect the Jets would reverse the trade if they could. The simpler way of looking at the trade is that the Jets traded Belichick and their 2000 second-rounder for Ellis, Reed, and Henderson. Reed and Henderson were reserve defensive backs, with Reed starting 15 games in his final season with the team at safety, while Henderson’s career came to a close after a 2004 motorcycle crash. Ellis was a workmanlike two-way defensive end who made two Pro Bowls during his 11-year career with the Jets before finishing up his career with the Patriots in 2011. He produced 87 AV during those 11 seasons in New York, making him the 68th-most valuable player in football by the metric over that time frame. Would have been funny if that trade involved sending NE a 2000 6th round pick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFlyer Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 we can lose to the cheatriots with or without him so, why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Outside Coach who has never had a losing season in 16 years and won a SB. Jets Team that hasn't made the playoffs in 13 years. Jets fans: No! I don't want him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted December 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2023 Do the Rooney's come with him? The Jets problems are far bigger than a HC. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 I would push my grandmother in front of a train for Mike Tomlin. She's dead, so she really wouldn't mind. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Tomlin is a great coach even he can't fix our team without an offensive line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 hours ago, bgivs21 said: No. To me, he is the ultimate version of high floor low ceiling. A HC's ceiling is limited by however good his QB is. So give me the high floor HC any day. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 More Years! 4 More Years! 4 More Years! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACourseinMiracles Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 He's top 25 all time winning percentage. F@ck yeah I'd take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Yes and no. Short term, is he better than Bobby Slogans? 1,000% better, yeah. But long term? No, I think he's washed. He knows nothing about coaching offense or QBs either, which handicaps your team in today's NFL. Stop signing players and hiring dudes who are past their expiration date. Keep searching and trying until you can find the next great young head coach like the Rams with McVay. bobby slogans lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 LMAO...does he get a franchise QB and a respectable O line? Or does he get the same sh*t we have now? No HC can win with what we put on the field offensively at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Depends if he is burnt out or not .. dude is a first ballot HOF ... But if you watch "bye bye Barry" sometimes the well dries up.If he is good to go and hungry .. I trade for that guy yesterday.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I think it kind of depends on how tomlin leaves the Steelers. If he’s fired or resigns then I think I’d wait a season before trying to hire. I’d let him take a season off to make sure he wants to come back. I don’t think I’d trade for him regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 can we trade Zach Wilson for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 One thing. Tomlin has never helped develope a QB. Ben Rapeberger was there when Tomlin came on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/8/2023 at 2:47 PM, Adoni Beast said: Right but heres the thing. Without a HOF QB in his prime that he was gifted…he has not been able to figure out the offense at all. which HC can without a QB.? Daboll did nothing with Jones before he got hurt. meanwhile the guy were playing tomorrow is a DC/HC with a young 1st time OC who came from SF just like MLF and they got the QB and look like great coaches. and Saleh and MLF came from the same place doing the same jobs in both places and they suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/8/2023 at 2:55 PM, Larz said: Nobody wants to work for woody. That’s why the Jets should hang onto the guys they have. The next crop of candidates would be bottom of the barrel. Tomlin would immediately retire if he was informed of this trade lol this is it right here If Tomlin came here he would have the power of a Parcells. if he wants Zach cut hes cut no matter what cap hit or how much Woody has to pay him to not be here. and thats why Woody would never do this, he wants nobody HCs who will do what he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/8/2023 at 2:33 PM, Jdeet said: If he became available, would you trade a draft pick, for Mike Tomlin? Hasn’t done squat in 10 years. And drafted Pickett lol Desperation is a biatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 🤣 some people wouldn’t want Mike tomlin as head coach. Y’all kill me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/8/2023 at 7:24 PM, Lurker89 said: 4 More Years! 4 More Years! 4 More Years! What did you type into ChatGPT to get this as the result? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: What did you type into ChatGPT to get this as the result? Lol, found it in the Jets subreddit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Tomlin is not going anywhere. The steelers have overachieved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wit Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Why would they trade him?Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/8/2023 at 11:36 PM, FidelioJet said: Do the Rooney's come with him? The Jets problems are far bigger than a HC. The Steelers know how to draft and their ownership leaves football decisions to the professionals. That’s why they keep winning. Literally their only whiff last 10 years was Pickett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/8/2023 at 3:09 PM, GreenFish said: This is why I think he is the best coach of this generation. A lot of these coaches success can be tied to the QB. Take away the QB and they become ordinary. Tomlin has never had a losing season. I cant even understand how that happens. The Steelers are secretly the best run, most consistent, best talent-evaluating organization in Football with a set culture in place, an identity on Defense set in stone, and ownership that knows how to hire the right fit at HC, support him perfectly, and stay out of the way regarding on field stuff. Their next HC after Tomlin in 10 years will be just as successful as his predecessors. The Jets are the exact opposite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Zack Wilson and a 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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