Perhaps This is the Reason Jets Are Letting Huff Walk?

[Smashmouth]

50 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

Huff can be used to land a tackle or receiver via a tag and trade.

Huff can ? But JFM and Lawson cant ?

[Dunnie]

JJ is a good player but he cant bend around a tackle with ease like Huff does.
Huff can get to the QB without an Olineman getting both hands on him. This is a rare trait. 
JJ is more of a violent brawling edge rusher - takes a alittle longer time to get to the QB on his sacks. Huff has a better pressure rate % too.
Huff has to be kept. I dont want to hear otherwise. 

I've heard legend of a man named Gumby McD that beds around tackles like plastic man... Or so I've been told.

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[CrazyCarl40]

4 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

Huff can ? But JFM and Lawson cant ?

JFM and Lawson can also both be cut and save money. Along with Mosley. And Tomlinson. There’s money for Huff. 

[jamesr]

Huff can ? But JFM and Lawson cant ?

Why would we tag and trade Lawson? Why would anyone trade for him? Especially at that price?

JFM may be a trade option but you're not getting a high pick for him.

And to be honest, I don't see us doing a tag and trade with Huff. He wants to hit FA and get the best deal he can, and the comp pick we get in return will be the better for it. I don't foresee teams lining up to hand over a top draft pick for him plus pay him a huge contract.

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[Biggs]

If the Pats can unload Richard Seymour and Chandler Jones and win the SB after doing it the Jets can unload Huff and win 7 games.

[FidelioJet]

14 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

JFM and Lawson can also both be cut and save money. Along with Mosley. And Tomlinson. There’s money for Huff. 

Sure you can find money to pay Huff if you needed to keep him -but the bulk of available resources should go to offense.

And because you used #10 last year on his replacement you simply can't afford to keep him....

Offense simply isn't strong enough and his position is already too deep keep him.

This is the sign of a GM that doesn't have a plan...Unless his plan was to let the team's best rusher leave for nothing --- either way, not good.

 

[Ghost]

Stop finding bullsh*t reasons to let Huff walk. I don’t give a **** about McDonald and his tattoos. I care about production. Huff deserves his money and we need him. 

[Anthony Jet]

4 minutes ago, Ghost said:

Stop finding bullsh*t reasons to let Huff walk. I don’t give a **** about McDonald and his tattoos. I care about production. Huff deserves his money and we need him. 

How could you not care about his tattoos?

[Asymmetrical]

7 hours ago, doitny said:

or maybe JD didnt expect Huff to take the jump him did. Huff only had 3 sacks last year and about 2 the year before. 

is it coincidence that Huff took his jump the same year JJ did? does QW getting double team help Huff out? 

we wont know till Huff is on another team next year. maybe he is a product of the system. like we say with Brock Purdy. 

He's played much more this year than he did in the previous years which helps the stat total. He's also improved every year and I think a lot of people who pay attention to the team could have guessed a jump was coming given the increased snap count and his trajectory. some of the measurable stuff with him (get off time etc) isn't a product of the system for sure. I guess we'll see.

 

Not expecting him to take the jump isn't exactly what you'd want from someone in charge of evaluating talent. The Jets haven't had a guy with juice on the edge in 20 years and it's weird to see the team operate like he's Jordan Jenkins. This isn't to say the Jets need to pay him 22 million a year now; it's more bemoaning the lost opportunity to lock him up on an extension when us message board bozos were hollering about it in the spring. 

[sourceworx]

7 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

Huff can ? But JFM and Lawson cant ?

You won't get nearly as much in return for either of them than you will for Huff.

[JetsFlyer]

the Skinny Spinny guy better step up big time

[jetstream23]

13 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

https://jetsxfactor.com/2024/01/10/ny-jets-jermaine-johnson-rank-2022-edge-draft-class/

Conclusion: 

Overall rankings

Averaging out the rankings among the class in the categories listed above yields the following results if including Johnson’s statistics from Week 4 on.

1. Johnson (20.7)
2. Hutchinson (28.9)
3. Karlaftis (30.4)
4. Mafe (33.9)
5. Walker (43.1)
6. Thibodeaux (49.0).

While it may not be entirely fair to use an arbitrary threshold for Johnson and not the other players, Johnson’s ascension point was so clear and obvious that it’s worth discounting his first three games to get a true picture of his season. Perhaps I would find such a delineation for the other players, too, if I looked hard enough. Still, it is unlikely to be as stark and sustained until the end of the season.

Hutchinson is undoubtedly the best pure pass rusher in this class right now. However, of the players the Jets had the option to take, Johnson’s play from Weeks 4-18 makes him the best overall player. Joe Douglas can add another feather to his cap in the 2022 draft class that may save his Jets’ tenure from ignominy.

 

 

I've been a bit critical of Joe Douglas for a variety of reasons that we all know about.  Excluding the 2023 Draft he's been very mid.  Multiple swings and misses on the OL in FA, the backup QB flop this season, extremely underwhelming Drafts prior to 2023 (Becton, Zach, Mims, etc.).  But....

The Jets 2023 Draft is shaping up as probably their greatest of All Time.  The top 4 picks ALL have Pro Bowl potential.  Sauce, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, and Breece Hall all have the potential to be Top 5 players in the NFL at their respective positions.  Doesn't mean they will be, but they've all shown that potential over the course of two seasons, not just a few games.  It's the kind of Draft that launched the Pittsburgh Steelers to a dynasty in the 70's and the Cowboys to one in the 90's.  It HAS to be followed up with competent replenishment of other talent and the big thing, having a QB, but it's there.

JD really caught lightning in a bottle there.  Pretty sure it's because me and @Maxman went to Vegas for it. lol

 

[Bruce Harper]

I'm guessing they may franchise him if they can get someone to commit to trading a second round pick for him.

[FidelioJet]

15 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

I'm guessing they may franchise him if they can get someone to commit to trading a second round pick for him.

They won't. 

They 2nd round tendered him last year and no one bought.

Jets won't get anything for him.  It happens.

[Smashmouth]

40 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

You won't get nearly as much in return for either of them than you will for Huff.

I dont care what we get in return what Im saying is the money we save from JFM and Lawson will give us plenty of money to sign Huff and have some left over.  We do not need to stack draft capital every single year this is a year maybe we trade up to get a LT I would not mind at all if the Jets traded next years 1 and this years 1 to move up and get the LT we want. This team is an Offensive line and QB away from serious contention and we will also be able to free up other money to get a FA WR. 

It funny people here always cry about premium positions and here we have an emerging star in Huff at one of the most premium positions on the field and people want to let him walk for a god damn comp pick ?

I know people dont want to believe this is a good football team because our offense was inept but the QB's running said offense were inept and the OL needs a rebuild which can happen very quickly by drafting a franchise LT maybe trading for a guard or RT and getting a couple more OL in the mid rounds.

[Warfish]

I see the annual mega-hype over certain Jets players has begun in earnest already. 

Good times, I can't wait for the thread that says Ruckert was actually the best pass-catching TE in the NFL if you take his play from 11:00 to 10:00 in the third quarter of Week 9.   

Or that acktually, Zach Wilson was the best backup QB that ever lived.

[32EBoozer]

13 hours ago, Barton said:

JJ is a good player but he cant bend around a tackle with ease like Huff does.

Let's see what another offseason of training will bring about. Last off-season it was strength and conditioning.

Maybe this year his personal trainer focuses on "Bend". He is not thick in the middle, and at 6'5" I think he can be better than Huff in year 3.

The 6’5″ 254-pound defensive end turned in a scorching 4.58 time in his 40-yard dash. That’s only five one-hundredths slower than FSU wide receiver great Rashad Greene at the 2015 NFL Combine. Johnson also posted a 32″ vertical and broad jump of 125″.

The 40 time is amazing, but the 10-yard split illustrates Johnson’s quickness off the line of scrimmage. That likely helps his draft stock quite a bit, and it’s faster than Kayvon Thibodaux’s split.

 

Johnson was already rated as a 6.49 (likely becomes a good starter within two years) by NFL.com. However, the numbers from the combine back up the production scouts see on tape while he dominated the opposition in the ACC. Johnson’s Combine numbers almost mirror the first defensive end selected in the 2021 NFL Draft, Jaelan Phillips.

Phillips was the No. 18 overall pick, but some mock drafts have Johnson going in the top 15 in the first round. The NFL has become a pass-happy league, and pass rushers come at a premium. Johnson’s ability to get after the quarterback and set the edge in the run game is a big reason why FSU’s defense improved so much between 2020 and 2021.

He has a relentless motor and stamina to give a team impact plays late in games. Whoever selects Johnson will get a player that talks the talk and has backed it up everywhere he’s gone over the past year.

[Sperm Edwards]

6 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

I dont care what we get in return what Im saying is the money we save from JFM and Lawson will give us plenty of money to sign Huff and have some left over.  We do not need to stack draft capital every single year this is a year maybe we trade up to get a LT I would not mind at all if the Jets traded next years 1 and this years 1 to move up and get the LT we want. This team is an Offensive line and QB away from serious contention and we will also be able to free up other money to get a FA WR. 

It funny people here always cry about premium positions and here we have an emerging star in Huff at one of the most premium positions on the field and people want to let him walk for a god damn comp pick ?

I know people dont want to believe this is a good football team because our offense was inept but the QB's running said offense were inept and the OL needs a rebuild which can happen very quickly by drafting a franchise LT maybe trading for a guard or RT and getting a couple more OL in the mid rounds.

Huff. Does. Not. Want. To. Re-sign. With. The. Jets. 

He's outright said he wants to start, and that means moving to a team that has a defense that would make him a starter. The whole message sent with that is: that is not with the Jets' Saleh-Ulbrich defense, unless he shops himself around in March and no one else wants him to start for them either. 

I've got a list of facepalms and complaints re: Douglas, but at this stage in the process, what contract is he supposed to offer that Huff will absolutely sign, without testing free agency to see if someone else matches or beats it on paper with a de facto guarantee that he'll start for them? 

So outline it -- say the Jets just fired Douglas and hired you to replace him. Without the bitty details, in broad strokes (years, average per year, how much of it is fully guaranteed (not just injury-guaranteed) -- what contract do you think it'll take for Huff to sign back here again as a situational edge rusher, knowing you cannot guarantee him a starting role as that's the purview of the HC and DC, which Huff knows all too well.

Go.

[GreenFish]

21 hours ago, Drums said:

Why not both? Heard the idea of trading JFM and signing Huff.

This makes the most sense.

[32EBoozer]

49 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Huff. Does. Not. Want. To. Re-sign. With. The. Jets. 

He's outright said he wants to start, and that means moving to a team that has a defense that would make him a starter. The whole message sent with that is: that is not with the Jets' Saleh-Ulbrich defense, unless he shops himself around in March and no one else wants him to start for them either. 

I've got a list of facepalms and complaints re: Douglas, but at this stage in the process, what contract is he supposed to offer that Huff will absolutely sign, without testing free agency to see if someone else matches or beats it on paper with a de facto guarantee that he'll start for them? 

So outline it -- say the Jets just fired Douglas and hired you to replace him. Without the bitty details, in broad strokes (years, average per year, how much of it is fully guaranteed (not just injury-guaranteed) -- what contract do you think it'll take for Huff to sign back here again as a situational edge rusher, knowing you cannot guarantee him a starting role as that's the purview of the HC and DC, which Huff knows all too well.

Go.

With Huff gone…. JFM, JJ, McD…. +1 will be required. Will that be Clemons moving back outside (not a fan of this)? I personally think you try and find a late round or UDFA for that last piece of the puzzle or a Vet FA whose on the wrong side of thirty but can handle 20 snaps a game

[HighPitch]

21 hours ago, rangerous said:

Johnson is more of an every down player than huff.  The jets can have him for three more seasons if they want.  I’m thinking they think Macdonald can also be ever down.  This makes huff expendable.  Happens every year when a guy just gets too costly and there are others ready to take his place.

Isnt this how good teams operate?

You draft well, you dont have to overpay 

[Ron Rico]

11 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

Sure you can find money to pay Huff if you needed to keep him -but the bulk of available resources should go to offense.

And because you used #10 last year on his replacement you simply can't afford to keep him....

Offense simply isn't strong enough and his position is already too deep keep him.

This is the sign of a GM that doesn't have a plan...Unless his plan was to let the team's best rusher leave for nothing --- either way, not good.

 

Joe Dogass is a short attention span, window licker. His IQ doesn't approach 100. And I'm being nice.

[Trotter]

Huff ends up with steelers

James  farrior anyone?

[32EBoozer]

2 hours ago, Ron Rico said:

And because you used #10 last year on his replacement you simply can't afford to keep him....

Uhh…. #15

Moved back from #13 with Rodgers trade. 

[Hex]

On 1/10/2024 at 7:07 PM, Barry McCockinner said:

remember the people on here last year that couldn't wait to call him a bust? haven't seen them around.

@Facts 

[Smashmouth]

4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Huff. Does. Not. Want. To. Re-sign. With. The. Jets. 

He's outright said he wants to start, and that means moving to a team that has a defense that would make him a starter. The whole message sent with that is: that is not with the Jets' Saleh-Ulbrich defense, unless he shops himself around in March and no one else wants him to start for them either. 

I've got a list of facepalms and complaints re: Douglas, but at this stage in the process, what contract is he supposed to offer that Huff will absolutely sign, without testing free agency to see if someone else matches or beats it on paper with a de facto guarantee that he'll start for them? 

So outline it -- say the Jets just fired Douglas and hired you to replace him. Without the bitty details, in broad strokes (years, average per year, how much of it is fully guaranteed (not just injury-guaranteed) -- what contract do you think it'll take for Huff to sign back here again as a situational edge rusher, knowing you cannot guarantee him a starting role as that's the purview of the HC and DC, which Huff knows all too well.

Go.

Sperm I fully understand and agree with what you're saying here but not every team is going to have both sides of the position covered by both pass rushers and run defenders. I would be will to sacrifice some run defense for Huff to be a full time player especially when you can't be sure when teams will run or pass in todays NFL . I would rather have a situational run stopper than not sign a great pass rusher because he is "So Called" weak vs the run.

4th and short ok Huff get on the side lines ... no problem there 

on the other side you have JJ who is good both ways now that he's making it to the passer BUT JJ is not near the speed rusher Huff is and I think this defense will suffer without Huff's pressures. There are also ways to help out on that side to give Huff more snaps. 

Concentrate more on the interior line to sub out players and do what you have to do to make Huff work. There are lots of players out there who can rush the passer but are weak against the run and there are so many ways to trap pass rushers ... We can go on and on with all the different scenarios .

Offer Huff a 3 year 45 mil deal with Incentives and get rid of Lawson and JFM. That more than makes up for his salary . In reality Huff wants to be paid and if he gets paid what he wants WTF difference does it make how many snaps he gets. At the older age when this contract is up he will be wanted as a specialist anyhow so all he really wants is the money . The question is will 3-45 be too much what do you think 

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, Ron Rico said:

Joe Dogass is a short attention span, window licker.

 

What does that even mean?

[Smashmouth]

10 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Let's see what another offseason of training will bring about. Last off-season it was strength and conditioning.

Maybe this year his personal trainer focuses on "Bend". He is not thick in the middle, and at 6'5" I think he can be better than Huff in year 3.

The 6’5″ 254-pound defensive end turned in a scorching 4.58 time in his 40-yard dash. That’s only five one-hundredths slower than FSU wide receiver great Rashad Greene at the 2015 NFL Combine. Johnson also posted a 32″ vertical and broad jump of 125″.

The 40 time is amazing, but the 10-yard split illustrates Johnson’s quickness off the line of scrimmage. That likely helps his draft stock quite a bit, and it’s faster than Kayvon Thibodaux’s split.

 

Johnson was already rated as a 6.49 (likely becomes a good starter within two years) by NFL.com. However, the numbers from the combine back up the production scouts see on tape while he dominated the opposition in the ACC. Johnson’s Combine numbers almost mirror the first defensive end selected in the 2021 NFL Draft, Jaelan Phillips.

Phillips was the No. 18 overall pick, but some mock drafts have Johnson going in the top 15 in the first round. The NFL has become a pass-happy league, and pass rushers come at a premium. Johnson’s ability to get after the quarterback and set the edge in the run game is a big reason why FSU’s defense improved so much between 2020 and 2021.

He has a relentless motor and stamina to give a team impact plays late in games. Whoever selects Johnson will get a player that talks the talk and has backed it up everywhere he’s gone over the past year.

I would love to see JJ playing MLB in this scheme and send Mosely packing. JJ can call the defense and he is a really good to great all around football player. He can go sideline to sideline with great speed and quickness and I thin he would excel as an every down backer rather than a part time lineman. JJ and Quincy would be an incredible tandem at LB Quincy is incredible in coverage and very quick to the LOS ..having 2 young studs doing that would be more important than waiting for JJ to get to the QB in less than 2-2.5 seconds.

[32EBoozer]

2 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

I would love to see JJ playing MLB in this scheme and send Mosely packing. JJ can call the defense and he is a really good to great all around football player. He can go sideline to sideline with great speed and quickness and I thin he would excel as an every down backer rather than a part time lineman. JJ and Quincy would be an incredible tandem at LB Quincy is incredible in coverage and very quick to the LOS ..having 2 young studs doing that would be more important than waiting for JJ to get to the QB in less than 2-2.5 seconds.

 

 

[Tooooon]

12 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

They won't. 

They 2nd round tendered him last year and no one bought.

Jets won't get anything for him.  It happens.

Players can develop.  Silly to say everything that happened last year is exactly the same this year.

[Smashmouth]

1 minute ago, 32EBoozer said:

 

 

lol ...well booz Im going off the fact JJ was a very good LB in College and some had him slated to play that position ..maybe thats why he fell because some felt not a premium position which i think is insane . I still feel a great LB is the catalyst to a great defense.

[32EBoozer]

8 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

lol ...well booz Im going off the fact JJ was a very good LB in College and some had him slated to play that position ..maybe thats why he fell because some felt not a premium position which i think is insane . I still feel a great LB is the catalyst to a great defense.

6’5” is tall for a MLB and 260 lbs. is heavy. Yes, JJ played at 250 at FSU but he has gotten stronger. Not out of the question but do you want to mess around with him after year 2?

Kuechly played at 6′3 and 235. I can’t think of any current MLB to play that big

[jamesr]

22 hours ago, Bruce Harper said:

I'm guessing they may franchise him if they can get someone to commit to trading a second round pick for him.

Why would a team agree to hand over a 2nd round pick for a guy who is about to become a FA? They'd have to offer him a megabucks contract either way.

[jamesr]

On 1/11/2024 at 1:01 AM, Drums said:

Why not both? Heard the idea of trading JFM and signing Huff.

 

15 hours ago, GreenFish said:

This makes the most sense.

By the time we get anywhere near to arranging any kind of a trade for JFM, Huff will have had multiple offers in FA. He's not likely to hang around to see if we come up with something, and he also sees that he is not getting an every-down role in this defense, as per his comments previously.

I know we all want to hang onto every bit of talent we have, but at some point we have to accept that there will be churn at certain positions - and rather than paying premium money at all spots you let one guy go and slot in a cheaper replacement. Wash, rinse, repeat. Meanwhile you pick up a comp pick to make that ongoing process easier as you have more chances at your cheaper replacements working out. Sure, it needs a lot of things to happen to be successful, but we took an UDFA and turned him into a (probably) highly coveted FA prize. Now we need to repeat that, but with a first round draft pick rather than a UDFA. If there's one spot on this squad that we can consider giving the staff the benefit of the doubt I'd say it's DL / DE. 

 

[More Cowbell]

On 1/10/2024 at 8:59 PM, Barton said:

JJ is a good player but he cant bend around a tackle with ease like Huff does.

Huff can get to the QB without an Olineman getting both hands on him. This is a rare trait. 

JJ is more of a violent brawling edge rusher - takes a alittle longer time to get to the QB on his sacks. Huff has a better pressure rate % too.

Huff has to be kept. I dont want to hear otherwise. 

This is actually the issue with Huff. If he can't  win on a speed rush which he does at a high enough rate, he really has nothing else. I like Huff but we probably have to let him go. It’s  going to suck for McDonald because everyone will be comparing him to Huff without realizing we would have had to pay Huff 20 million a year and McDonald  is costing a fraction of that.