Jets ditching LB experiment and unleashing beast in Richardson

[Tinstar]

The second he brought 2016 back into the locker room, he should have been done as a Jet .  I don't really care what we got for him, but I would make an example of him .

[pointman]

2 hours ago, Powpow said:

Get rid of them both. Richardson has outlasted his welcome. I don't care if he gets 20 sacks, he's a cancer and a selfish, reckless child.  Mo has seen better days. His injury has significantly hampered his ability, Even if he bounces back and has a decent year, he's not the player he once was and isn't worth all that money.  Redo. Move on. Build the line around Big Cat ? 

Yes! We need to spend more future first round picks on.. defensive linemen.. when we have lucked out with 3 very solid ones at that. Easily replicated /sarcasm

[Powpow]

2 minutes ago, pointman said:

Yes! We need to spend more future first round picks on.. defensive linemen.. when we have lucked out with 3 very solid ones at that. Easily replicated /sarcasm

Who said anything about spending another 1st rounder on a DL? SMH 

[varjet]

I think Richardson should join the growing ranks of NFL players who, due to performance and behavioral issues, should be retained on basically annual contracts.

A team would be koo koo to pay him for more than a year, 2 years max.

When you are close you bring him in for a year at $15mm+ and make him play for his next contract.  

For the Jets, they are still basically stuck with Mo in 2018, and they should pay Williams.

For practical purposes, SR belongs on another team, both in 2017 and going forward.  Because someone in the Jets FO (I would not say Macc per se/on his own) completely misvalued SR's trade value, we are likely stuck with him in 2017, unless he really has it together and a competitive team like the Falcons, Broncos or Cowboys bite the bullet for a mid-year trade (with lower cap value because part of his comp runs off).  For the Jets. a 3rd or 4th round pick under those conditions would be the best case scenario.

[Savage69]

2 hours ago, phill1c said:

I agree with the Richardson opinion. The Mo opinion seems overly negative and myopic. Why would you suggest that you pin all your hopes on a single guy when you have two guys who can play. Yeah, Wilkerson had a down year. What makes you think he can only bounce back to "decent"? Is it just hate or do you have some tangible reason for such a negative prognosis?

I understand if some want to use the broken leg excuse but did that stop him from missing meetings or even his birthday party?? I hope not but maybe he got his payday and lost his desire to play to the best of his ability..

[Powpow]

9 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

I understand if some want to use the broken leg excuse but did that stop him from missing meetings or even his birthday party?? I hope not but maybe he got his payday and lost his desire to play to the best of his ability..

I would lose my desire playing for this lousy team.  An inferior offense that cant keep sustain drives, a horrific secondary, a coach that has no guts, a GM that cant figure his way out of a paper bag.  Yea, dream team.  

[kdels62]

59 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This is what I'm hoping for at this point. Of course, if that happens, then they won't trade him.

Instead the 8 sacks will be the reason the team extends him (but first they'll franchise tag him, have him hold out, etc.).

Or even if they are still resolved to trading him despite him tearing up the league through mid-late October, their previous demands (which no one bit on) will increase to a 1st and a 2nd, meaning they'll still be out of touch with what anyone else is willing to surrender for Sheldon.

This is so incredibly accurate that I pictured myself 2 years from now. I was living in a bigger house, a lawyer, with a loving wife and a kid on the way. I opened my laptop and the first topic on the webpage in front of me was "We just re-signed Leo for $115 million, can we get a 3rd rounder for Richardson?"

[Beerfish]

 

[Charlie Brown]

13 hours ago, Ghost said:

So it took this coaching staff 2 years to finally realize playing Rich at OLB is a mistake? 

That is EMBARRASSING!!!!!

[Lil Woody]

Assuming we spend on players in FA with our 70M or whatever, we won't be getting any comp picks for him. 

So why should we help him get his stats up and showcase himself for other teams?  How does that benefit this team...especially THIS year when W/Ls are already established as not being a priority?  Don't we want to ensure that Mo and Leo are given the majority of the reps and focus all our efforts on their continued development?  Trade this guy for whatever we can get at this point.  We tried to play hardball with the other teams and struck out. Lesson learned (hopefully).  Move on.

[Tinstar]

6 minutes ago, Lil Woody said:

Assuming we spend on players in FA with our 70M or whatever, we won't be getting any comp picks for him. 

So why should we help him get his stats up and showcase himself for other teams?  How does that benefit this team...especially THIS year when W/Ls are already established as not being a priority?  Don't we want to ensure that Mo and Leo are given the majority of the reps and focus all our efforts on their continued development?  Trade this guy for whatever we can get at this point.  We tried to play hardball with the other teams and struck out. Lesson learned (hopefully).  Move on.

It's my hope that we have to spend the majority of that money on our own free agents .

Enunwa

Carpenter

Johnson

Anderson

1 of the TEs

Maybe a RB or a FB

Build through the draft and with your own and continue to add talent .

[phill1c]

1 hour ago, Savage69 said:

I understand if some want to use the broken leg excuse but did that stop him from missing meetings or even his birthday party?? I hope not but maybe he got his payday and lost his desire to play to the best of his ability..

Injury is a reason, not an excuse. the missed meetings and birthday party is quite another issue. But, as mom used to say, "two wrongs don't make a right." Richardson has a couple of suspensions on his resume as well as a well-publicized feud with a teammate. I think that trumps missing some meetings. And, in the end, DEs in a 3-4 are primarily are space eaters. Yeah, these guys do more than that. But they haven't shown an ability to play at an elite level for long stretches or make game-turning plays. We have TWO DEs that we have to pay big money to. I don't see the wisdom in paying three guys franchise tag money at that position.

As far as losing desire goes, I think you ran to "cliché" territory. Yeah, some guys lose the passion. But most of the time, you can see it coming. Albert Haynesworth comes to mind. EVERYBODY saw that coming. He wasn't a particularly solid individual before he got paid. If anyone is going to lose the passion after getting paid, my money would be on Richardson. He seems to have a similar character. I don't believe Wilkerson lost any passion, just was injured. But it's my opinion, I understand that.

[BCJet]

2 hours ago, Powpow said:

So says you. Mo did nothing last year and we're paying him 17 mill. Again, even if he has a good year it's wiser to move on from a guy who's going to cost a small fortune and who suffered a major injury. Same goes for Decker. By the time this team gets talent to compete, both Mo and Decker will be long gone. 

Is woody asking you for money to pay Wilk?  

The guy had 12 sacks when healthy in 2015, thats more then von miller had, while also excelling against the run.  To say you want to get rid of a 29 year old player of Mo's caliber, when his contract becomes more manageable as the cap goes up, makes no sense.

Teams try to accumulate good players.  Mo is a good player who had a down year coming off an injury, theres no reason to dump him.

[Lil Woody]

Just now, Tinstar said:

It's my hope that we have to spend the majority of that money on our own free agents .

Enunwa

Carpenter

Johnson

Anderson

1 of the TEs

Maybe a RB or a FB

Build through the draft and with your own and continue to add talent .

Ok - lets make some assumptions then.  I'll try to aim a little higher for the salaries here....

Enunwa - 10M per?

Carp - 8M per?

Johnson - 4M per?

Anderson - 3M per?

ASJ - 3M per?

RB - 4M per?

32M right there.  That leaves 38M to go to FA with. Trumaine Johnson probably won't be tagged again. I can't see X.Rhodes not getting tagged. Maybe Butler from Pats makes it to FA? Ziggy Ansah probably gets tagged, but maybe Ingram makes it to FA? Point is there should be some enticing options out in FA and I doubt we stand pat with that much cap space. At the least I'd expect 1 or 2 splashes.  And if we play ourselves out of draft position, Cousins and maybe Garrapolo will become prized FA QBs. Can't imagine Stafford or Carr don't get extended or tagged.

[Powpow]

1 minute ago, BCJet said:

Is woody asking you for money to pay Wilk?  

The guy had 12 sacks when healthy in 2015, thats more then von miller had, while also excelling against the run.  To say you want to get rid of a 29 year old player of Mo's caliber, when his contract becomes more manageable as the cap goes up, makes no sense.

Teams try to accumulate good players.  Mo is a good player who had a down year coming off an injury, theres no reason to dump him.

Your opinion thx 

[varjet]

23 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

It's my hope that we have to spend the majority of that money on our own free agents .

Enunwa

Carpenter

Johnson

Anderson

1 of the TEs

Maybe a RB or a FB

Build through the draft and with your own and continue to add talent .

Macc and the Jets love the short-term contract game.  

The above players, including ASJ, but maybe not Robbie Anderson, are FAs in 2018.  I would hope that Macc would extend a few of them this preseason.  That is the way the smart teams do things.

[Tinstar]

2 minutes ago, varjet said:

Macc and the Jets love the short-term contract game.  

The above players, including ASJ, but maybe not Robbie Anderson, are FAs in 2018.  I would hope that Macc would extend a few of them this preseason.  That is the way the smart teams do things.

Then we won't have 70 mil in cap space will we  ?  The Jets also need to think about Williams's contract before the team allows it to hit that 5th year option . Then there's the CB we sign from the cowboys who may need to be taken care of .  Given the contract Winters got and the rising salary cap, those #s might not be adequate .

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Then we won't have 70 mil in cap space will we  ?  The Jets also need to think about Williams's contract before the team allows it to hit that 5th year option . Then there's the CB we sign from the cowboys who may need to be taken care of .  Given the contract Winters got and the rising salary cap, those #s might not be adequate .

Why on earth do they need to think about Williams contract before he hits the 5th year option?  That is precisely the purpose of the 5th year option.  They have him locked up through 2020.  Robby Anderson is signed for 2018 and is an RFA in 2019.  

I have been one of the most vocal guys for locking people up earlier, but there is certainly no reason to deal with either of these guys until after the 2018 season unless we are getting a significant discount. 

[Tinstar]

12 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Why on earth do they need to think about Williams contract before he hits the 5th year option?  That is precisely the purpose of the 5th year option.  They have him locked up through 2020.  Robby Anderson is signed for 2018 and is an RFA in 2019.  

I have been one of the most vocal guys for locking people up earlier, but there is certainly no reason to deal with either of these guys until after the 2018 season unless we are getting a significant discount. 

I have learn never to have these conversations with you .   I will say this much thou . If Anderson goes out and proves he can be a viable starting option at receiver this year, why on earth would he continue to play on an undrafted  free agent contract  ? 

[#27TheDominator]

Just now, Tinstar said:

I have learn never to have these conversations with you .   I will say this much thou . If Anderson goes out and proves he can be a viable starting option at receiver this year, why on earth would he continue to play on an undrafted  free agent contract  ? 

Because he signed it.  

5/5/2016: Signed a three-year, $1.62 million contract. 2017: $540,000, 2018: $630,000, 2019: Restricted Free Agent

[Tinstar]

3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Because he signed it.  

5/5/2016: Signed a three-year, $1.62 million contract. 2017: $540,000, 2018: $630,000, 2019: Restricted Free Agent

See that's why I try to avoid these conversations because you always have facts that can't be refuted  .  I wonder what starting NFL receiver has a contract with a signing bonus that equals the total amount of that contract . If this kid goes out this year and establishes himself as a starting receiver, I wonder what would happen to that contract .

[New York Mick]

6 hours ago, OH THE PAIN said:

Time to move on ; WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN THUGS !!!!!!!!!!

Relax grandpa 

[#27TheDominator]

30 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

See that's why I try to avoid these conversations because you always have facts that can't be refuted  .  I wonder what starting NFL receiver has a contract with a signing bonus that equals the total amount of that contract . If this kid goes out this year and establishes himself as a starting receiver, I wonder what would happen to that contract .

Pesky facts!

If he is a monster they could extend him the way that Steelers did with Antonio Brown in 2012.  A little dangerous in that he appears to have some knucklehead in him. More likely they let him play this year and next and then try to sign him longer term when he is facing the restricted tender.  All this assumes he will be one of their top 3 WR.

[Bugg]

16 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

With Brandon Marshall gone, Jets' Sheldon Richardson poised for monster season

 

It might be patently ridiculous that the Jets have entertained the idea of trading Sheldon Richardson for more than six months, but the team has unwittingly granted the uber-talented defensive lineman two wishes: 1) He no longer has to share space with his nemesis, and 2) He’s through being the utility man.

Richardson delivered a zinger Tuesday after the team’s first OTA practice that was vintage Richardson: Hilarious and probably unnecessary. 

It’s no secret that Richardson’s rift with Brandon Marshall was at the heart of the Jets locker room dysfunction last season, a pair of passionate grown men, who frankly both were to blame. 

The lineman’s disdain for the wide receiver bubbled to the surface during a heated verbal exchange after a Week 3 meltdown in Kansas City and climaxed amid a Christmas Eve massacre in Foxborough. 

Jets' Marshall, Richardson haven't spoken since verbal shot

Richardson, the center of trade speculation, evidently couldn’t let bygones be bygones, taking one final (?) swipe at Marshall, who signed with the Giants after getting cut this offseason. 

“I enjoy being here,” Richardson said in front of his locker on Tuesday. “The locker room’s a whole lot easier to get along with now.” 

He smiled at reporters wanting further explanation. “Y'all are thirsty. Let’s just say we got 15 reasons why it’s better.”

Marshall, of course, was No. 15. 

Brandon Marshall has lofty goals for his final 2 NFL seasons

The audience chuckled, but the shame of it is that Richardson is more similar than dissimilar to the man he couldn’t co-exist with in the locker room. Todd Bowles downplayed the notion that this fractured relationship somehow affected Richardson’s play in easily the least productive of his career. The coach also said that Marshall didn’t hurt team chemistry last season. 

Regardless, Richardson is clearly happier without Marshall around. He also should be pleased with defensive coordinator Kacy Rodgers’ claim that using him at multiple positions like linebacker is over. 

The Jets' logjam at defensive line prompted Bowles and Rodgers to sometimes play the ultra-athletic Richardson in positions other than his natural three-technique defensive tackle spot that got him 2013 Defensive Rookie of the Year honors and a 2014 Pro Bowl berth. 

“One: He’s one of my favorite players,” Rodgers said. “Two: We ask him to do a lot of stuff and (that’s) probably a detriment to him. In one game… he played middle linebacker. And he never said a word. ‘Whatever you need me to do, Coach.’ At the end of the day, he’s a three-technique. That’s what he needs to play.” 

So his days of playing stand-up outside linebacker are finally over? 

“Never say never,” Rodgers said with a laugh. “But we’re going to try to let him do what he does best.”

Richardson, coming off a career-low 1 ½ sacks, didn’t quite agree with Rodgers’ belief that “he has something to prove” though. 

(Kathy Willens/AP)

“I’m proven, honestly,” Richardson said. “I just got to get some stats. Contract year.”

It’s frankly absurd that the Jets shopped Richardson before last year’s trade deadline and during the draft. Teams interested in Richardson balked at the idea of paying the fully guaranteed $8.1 million in the final year of his contract, according to sources. It obviously made no sense for Richardson to take a pay cut, so he remained with the team that drafted him. 

The Jets, however, are still amenable to moving Richardson, which isn’t exactly sound logic given that they’d have to take pennies on the dollar for a talented player on a roster bereft of talent. 

There have been concerns on One Jets Drive about Richardson’s tardiness/absences to weight-lifting sessions in the past, according to sources, but his skills are undeniable. He also happens to be the second-best talent on the roster behind Leonard Williams. 

The organization evidently doesn’t believe that Richardson fits with the new locker room culture they’re hoping to create in the third year under Mike Maccagnan and Bowles. But it’d be unfair to paint the fifth-year defensive lineman as a rogue element. 

“He’s a beast,” wide receiver Quincy Enunwa told the Daily News. “He’s an athletic freak. His work ethic on the field is crazy. You can just see every down he’s going hard. That’s why I respect his game.”

Yeah. Who needs that, right? 

Richardson, of course, is no angel. His off-field transgressions that landed him two league-issued suspensions the past two seasons shouldn’t be discounted, but anyone who has spent time around him knows that his passion on gamedays is exactly what the Jets need. 

There’s a feeling within the organization that perhaps a change of scenery might be best for both parties, but that’s a bunch of hooey. What is best for the Jets is to keep their options open along the defensive line during this rebuilding season. 

If Richardson shines and Muhammad Wilkerson flops for a second consecutive season, then keep Richardson and bid Wilkerson adieu. If Wilkerson shines and Richardson flops, then gladly take your 2019 compensatory draft pick when Richardson leaves. 

Richardson claimed that he didn’t pay much attention to the trade rumors during the draft, but he’s no dummy. He’s fully aware of the landscape. He said he’s happy to do “whatever I have to do to help this team win” this season. 

“I got some trade value or I don’t,” Richardson said. “Either way, I’m a Jet. Until I’m not a Jet, I’m here. Playing. Full force.” 

Get ready for a monster season.  

So Wilkerson sucked because of Brandon Marshall, who was  on the other side of the ball , and despite his big mouth, usually played well when healthy. Highly logical; got it. 

[Bugg]

15 hours ago, Jetmech said:

So this is just another Off-season Jet going to be great. Been reading this kind of BS forever.

Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
 

Jets always led the NFL in empty blowhard offseason blather. 

[joewilly12]

2 hours ago, Tinstar said:

It's my hope that we have to spend the majority of that money on our own free agents .

Enunwa

Carpenter

Johnson

Anderson

1 of the TEs

Maybe a RB or a FB

Build through the draft and with your own and continue to add talent .

Anderson? Wasn't he recently arrested for assaulting a police officer? 

[OH THE PAIN]

1 hour ago, New York Mick said:

Relax grandpa 

 

[GKnight83]

"...was without question ..."  More fake news...three word saying rarely used by an intelligent Human.

[Joejet]

6 hours ago, Powpow said:

I would lose my desire playing for this lousy team.  An inferior offense that cant keep sustain drives, a horrific secondary, a coach that has no guts, a GM that cant figure his way out of a paper bag.  Yea, dream team.  

Fortunately you are a fan and not a player because that's the type of attitude that would never allow a team to develop.

[chirorob]

4 hours ago, Tinstar said:

I have learn never to have these conversations with you .   I will say this much thou . If Anderson goes out and proves he can be a viable starting option at receiver this year, why on earth would he continue to play on an undrafted  free agent contract  ? 

Can't even redo a rookie contract until he has been in the league for 3 years.

[SenorGato]

Whatever maxes the pick/s they can/will get

[JetFaninMI]

Well its about time. Only took them how long to figure it out?

[Powpow]

1 hour ago, Joejet said:

Fortunately you are a fan and not a player because that's the type of attitude that would never allow a team to develop.

ROFLMAO You live in idealistic world. Power to ya.

[TuscanyTile2]

The Jets better let Josh McCown do what he does best by sitting him on the bench.

[Joejet]

1 hour ago, Powpow said:

ROFLMAO You live in idealistic world. Power to ya.

Probably so but I've always played to win no matter how good the surrounding players were.