Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 So when Idzik was pursuing Davis, you don't think he was aware that he'd have to go over $7-8M/year? I think even he might disagree with you there. Munnerlyn signed a three year, $11.25M deal. Outrageous. I think he was looking for the most bang for the buck he could get. Davis was the best fit for our scheme and wasn't an imposter like a lot of the other guys that got signed. It's not JUST about throwing money at A corner, it's throwing money at the right guy, or no one at all. Munnerlyn sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think he was looking for the most bang for the buck he could get. Davis was the best fit for our scheme and wasn't an imposter like a lot of the other guys that got signed. It's not JUST about throwing money at A corner, it's throwing money at the right guy, or no one at all. Munnerlyn sucks. If nothing else, Munnerlyn is a better slot guy than Wilson. It'd've been nice if he could've stepped in as the #2 given where the Jets are right now at the position, but at the very least he would've been a cheap, in-house upgrade for when they let Wilson go next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If nothing else, Munnerlyn is a better slot guy than Wilson. It'd've been nice if he could've stepped in as the #2 given where the Jets are right now at the position, but at the very least he would've been a cheap, in-house upgrade for when they let Wilson go next year. Is $4-$5M a fair price for a slot corner? And I thought we were only talking about the top guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 This really made me laugh out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 You know what, it would make more sense to play Hill as a CB instead of trading him for one. For one at this point no team would let go of a starting caliber CB. Secondly Hill has speed, size and lately he is showing the ability to track the ball. Given we play so many great offenses and also the recent depth at WR position this move makes sense. Just don't expect him to get too many interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Is $4-$5M a fair price for a slot corner? And I thought we were only talking about the top guys. He signed for <$4M/year, not a bad price for what's essentially become a full time role in today's NFL. A great price if he works out on the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 He signed for <$4M/year, not a bad price for what's essentially become a full time role in today's NFL. A great price if he works out on the outside. This article says the deal could be worth as much as $15M: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000333920/article/captain-munnerlyn-minnesota-vikings-strike-contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 This article says the deal could be worth as much as $15M: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000333920/article/captain-munnerlyn-minnesota-vikings-strike-contract Without bothering to open that link, I'm gonna go ahead and assume he makes more money if he plays really good, or the team wins a Super Bowl, or something like that. Also, this post is reflective of the strength of your argument. Honestly, it's okay if Idzik didn't do everything perfectly this off-season. He didn't do the CB position perfectly. It's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Jets have been offered this for Hill so far: An NFC team also threw in this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think he was looking for the most bang for the buck he could get. Davis was the best fit for our scheme and wasn't an imposter like a lot of the other guys that got signed. It's not JUST about throwing money at A corner, it's throwing money at the right guy, or no one at all. Munnerlyn sucks. http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/11/dolphins-believe-davis-was-drunk-night-before-practice.html "But the reason most responsible and most alarming about Davis missing Sunday's game against the Chiefs is that the Dolphins believe Davis was drunk the night before the Saturday practice to which he was late. And when he showed up at the Miami facility, a source said Davis had the smell of alcohol and was suffering from an apparent hangover." This actually happened...I think Davis is better suited for the lifestyle of Indianapolis vs New York City. Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/11/dolphins-believe-davis-was-drunk-night-before-practice.html#storylink=cpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 No 80 is right on about trade value, but I think keeping Coples is the right move. This could be his break out year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 probably a great idea, but also most likely won't get a starting calibre CB for Hill. i think the Cowboys were looking to get rid of Claiborne back before the draft but with their lack of CBs, especially with Scandrick getting suspended, I doubt that they'll deal him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/11/dolphins-believe-davis-was-drunk-night-before-practice.html "But the reason most responsible and most alarming about Davis missing Sunday's game against the Chiefs is that the Dolphins believe Davis was drunk the night before the Saturday practice to which he was late. And when he showed up at the Miami facility, a source said Davis had the smell of alcohol and was suffering from an apparent hangover." This actually happened...I think Davis is better suited for the lifestyle of Indianapolis vs New York City. Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/11/dolphins-believe-davis-was-drunk-night-before-practice.html#storylink=cpy Some people are more likely to get drunk when they are in a town that doesn't have much going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Some people are more likely to get drunk when they are in a town that doesn't have much going on. Ok...granted. Im sure any GM worth anything is going to do his due diligence and investigate these red flags. My point was Vontae is/was a big risk, not quite worthy of 10mil per...I think its easy to say he was an option, but his checkered past is as much a concern as DRC's commitment questions, Munnerlyns inability to cover big wideouts, Pattersons injury history, and Cro's hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Ok...granted. Im sure any GM worth anything is going to do his due diligence and investigate these red flags. My point was Vontae is/was a big risk, not quite worthy of 10mil per...I think its easy to say he was an option, but his checkered past is as much a concern as DRC's commitment questions, Munnerlyns inability to cover big wideouts, Pattersons injury history, and Cro's hip. It is obvious that Idzik wanted Vontae Davis, Munnerlyn and DRC on this team. What is not as obvious is how much he was willing to spend for each. He showed no interest in Revis, Cromartie, Verner or Flowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Hill for Dwight Lowery? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Hill for Dwight Lowery? lol The thread for that would be amazingness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 It is obvious that Idzik wanted Vontae Davis, Munnerlyn and DRC on this team. What is not as obvious is how much he was willing to spend for each. He showed no interest in Revis, Cromartie, Verner or Flowers. Exactly. He was like..."Vontae is good #1 cb @ 6-7 per, but cracked out Vontae is no bueno @ 10 per." And..."Captain is a great slot guy @ 1.75...but hes to damn short @ 3.75." And..."DRC would make a great #2 guy @ 5-6 mil...but hes to damn lazy @ 8." WHAT IS WRONG IN THINKING LIKE THIS?! This is how I want my GM to think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 gut check hill winds up with brees or manning or brady you nervous ? I would be everybody needs to chillax. what a bunch of nellies It's never been the QB delivering the ball to him. It's him actually catching the ball. He's still making the same mistakes in year 3. Simple correctable mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 gut check hill winds up with brees or manning or brady you nervous ? I would be everybody needs to chillax. what a bunch of nellies I'm nervous about another 8-8. then what? do we start over with a new QB or does Geno get a 3rd year? 8-8, draft a CB in rd 1, sign Chad Henne to compete with Geno next year, repeat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 8-8, draft a CB in rd 1, sign Chad Henne to compete with Geno next year, repeat.... Reading this made me ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Exactly. He was like..."Vontae is good #1 cb @ 6-7 per, but cracked out Vontae is no bueno @ 10 per." And..."Captain is a great slot guy @ 1.75...but hes to damn short @ 3.75." And..."DRC would make a great #2 guy @ 5-6 mil...but hes to damn lazy @ 8." WHAT IS WRONG IN THINKING LIKE THIS?! This is how I want my GM to think! I don't mind the line of thinking, but the guy obviously wanted another corner. It appears they wanted a short term vet and did not want much guarantee. That left us with Patterson. So far it looks like a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I don't mind the line of thinking, but the guy obviously wanted another corner. It appears they wanted a short term vet and did not want much guarantee. That left us with Patterson. So far it looks like a failure. I imagine Rex Ryan nodded and stated that the challenge has been accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I'm nervous about another 8-8. then what? do we start over with a new QB or does Geno get a 3rd year? 8-8, draft a CB in rd 1, sign Chad Henne to compete with Geno next year, repeat.... If they go 8-8, and Geno has a >85 passer rating, they keep him and fire Rex. If they go 8-8, and Geno has a <65 passer rating, they keep Rex and look for a new QB. There's some gray area in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I see Pryor doing very well as a rookie. He's already in my top 3 for non-DL defensive MVP candidates of Los Yets 2014-2015: Davis, Pryor, and Milliner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 If they go 8-8, and Geno has a >85 passer rating, they keep him and fire Rex. If they go 8-8, and Geno has a <65 passer rating, they keep Rex and look for a new QB. There's some gray area in between. You think passer rating will really be something they factor? And you think another season without a playoff berth will get Rex another year here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 If Geno develops nicely, and they beat some good teams in some good tough games, and they lose because a couple of players got injured, I definitely see Rex returning with Geno at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 You think passer rating will really be something they factor? And you think another season without a playoff berth will get Rex another year here? Not specifically, no. But I think the level of QB play Rex gets will be a determining factor in his job status, especially if he's getting orders from above to play Geno regardless. If Geno plays poorly, 8-8 is overachieving. If he plays well. it's underachieving. People were tying Rex's job status to the playoffs last year, but it obviously wasn't that cut and dried. I don't necessarily think it will be this year, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Not specifically, no. But I think the level of QB play Rex gets will be a determining factor in his job status, especially if he's getting orders from above to play Geno regardless. If Geno plays poorly, 8-8 is overachieving. If he plays well. it's underachieving. People were tying Rex's job status to the playoffs last year, but it obviously wasn't that cut and dried. I don't necessarily think it will be this year, either. Or, they look for the common denominator in why the QB position has been a wasteland for 6 years and rightly conclude that Rex is incapable of fixing that one fatal issue. If Geno implodes, and Woody decides he just can't part with Rex for some unknown reason, you can't give him another rookie QB. You'd be better off throwing dollars and draft picks into an incinerator, given the history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Or, they look for the common denominator in why the QB position has been a wasteland for 6 years and rightly conclude that Rex is incapable of fixing that one fatal issue. If Geno implodes, and Woody decides he just can't part with Rex for some unknown reason, you can't give him another rookie QB. You'd be better off throwing dollars and draft picks into an incinerator, given the history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCQ3PxdN5s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCQ3PxdN5s I can't wait until the keep Rex and sign Tony Romo next year. It's the fate you deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Play Hill at corner. they are no longer allowed to use their hands. he would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I don't mind the line of thinking, but the guy obviously wanted another corner. It appears they wanted a short term vet and did not want much guarantee. That left us with Patterson. So far it looks like a failure. Not saying it won't be... But it's a little soon sir. I thought Cortland Finnegan would've been a better risk than Patterson, but what do I know. I think IdZiks gained a little freedom to put his team together...I'm being patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 gut check hill winds up with brees or manning or brady you nervous ? I would be everybody needs to chillax. what a bunch of nellies LOL.... Well said.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Play Hill at corner. they are no longer allowed to use their hands. he would be perfect. Ok that is kind of funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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