Geno Smith '10 Times' as Motivated for Next Year

[New York Mick]

What his contract like if he's cut or traded? If it's even possible to trade him. 

[Flushing Roots]

Didn't know he could count.

[Augustiniak]

He played basically the entire Raider game. He's got a bad windup in his throws....Fitz arm is below average, but he at least can change arm angles and zip the ball out quickly and such. Geno needs 15 minutes to step and throw the ball. It just takes way too long. It's not as bad as Leftwich's was but its close.

this.  plays where fitz gets the ball out or scrambles for positive yards, geno is either getting sacked or running backwards for his life b/c he doesn't feel the pressure.  has no feel in the pocket and a slow delivery.  throw in a sour temperament, lack of ideal height and serious leadership questions, and mccags and bowles have to be asking themselves, is this guy better off the team, and can petty do pretty much what geno can do w/o all the potential locker room distractions.  geno is like browning nagle, the arm and not much else.

[Jet Nut]

Big windup.

slow delivery

Sour temperament 

lack of ideal height.

Geno was bad for a large part of his first two seasons.  He doesn't need every bad cliche pulled out of nowhere used to describe his game.  Geno doesn't have a big windup, doesn't have a slow release, wasn't close to being sour on the sideline or in interviews and is pretty much the ideal hieght for a QB at 6' 3"

[RutgersJetFan]

So he's ten times more motivated than being a douchebag that incites his teammates to punch him in the face? Bold strategy Cotton. Let's see how that works out for him. 

[RutgersJetFan]

Remember that guy who was too stupid to set his watch for west coast time and yelled at fans in the stadium? MULTIPLY THAT TIMES TEN YOU JEALOUS BIATCHES. 

[RutgersJetFan]

That guy that threw pick sixes at a clip and thought tucking the ball behind his back in the end zone was a good idea? EXTRAPOLATE IT. MULTIPLY IT. JUST WHATEVER YOU DO YOU DO IT TIMES TEN AND THEN THINK ABOUT YOUR OWN SAD LIFE, CORKY.

[RutgersJetFan]

That time Bruce Wayne was scared to fight the leader of The Mutants again but then he just became 10 times more motivated and sh*t was all good. 

[EM31]

He really doesn't.  Physically, his release is fine.  He just takes too long to decide where he needs to go with the ball.

And that decision is often incorrect (information processing)

And, once he has decided where he wants to go with the ball, the ball often does not go where he is trying to put it (accuracy)

And he has small hands which makes stripping the ball easier for defenders

And he has a glass jaw

And the coaching staff know all of these things plus they are not responsible for picking him in the first place.

[NJ]

Does anybody think Bowles would say anything else about a player on the team?

Plus, it's not really hard to say a person has matured when they started as such an immature place at the beginning of the season.

Precisely. When you're a punk who starts his NFL exposure by making an azz out of yourself at "your" draft and continues to act like one till somebody busts your jaw - there's a lot of room for maturation. 

[Matt39]

Big windup.

slow delivery

Sour temperament 

lack of ideal height.

Geno was bad for a large part of his first two seasons.  He doesn't need every bad cliche pulled out of nowhere used to describe his game.  Geno doesn't have a big windup, doesn't have a slow release, wasn't close to being sour on the sideline or in interviews and is pretty much the ideal hieght for a QB at 6' 3"

Slow release and an over the top pitcher like windup arent cliches. 

[TomsRiverJet]

And Geno. We are "10 times" as anxious to have you be an ex jet as soon as possible. You should have been in the taxi with Bobby April...

[Warfish]

Geno Smith will be cut/released.  I am all but 10x sure of it.  

Next year will be Fitz #1, Petty #2 and a Draft Pick #3.

Smith will be signed by someone as their #3. 

[JohnnyLV]

Geno Smith will be cut/released.  I am all but 10x sure of it.  

Next year will be Fitz #1, Petty #2 and a Draft Pick #3.

Smith will be signed by someone as their #3. 

I could see him being traded, but he will not be released. It would be a shocking and dumb move by the Jets. Also, if Brandon Weeden, Mallett, Gabbert get multiple chances at starting, Geno will too. He is far too talented. If Fitz starts again next year all you Fitz fans are in for a rude awakening. No way he cones close to this year's numbers. He is still a complete JAG.

[Jetsfan80]

I could see him being traded, but he will not be released. It would be a shocking and dumb move by the Jets. Also, if Brandon Weeden, Mallett, Gabbert get multiple chances at starting, Geno will too. He is far too talented. If Fitz starts again next year all you Fitz fans are in for a rude awakening. No way he cones close to this year's numbers. He is still a complete JAG.

He's been a top 20 QB the last 3 years, for 3 different teams, and top 15 for each of the last 2.  Marshall and Decker will be back, with Jace Amaro returning as well as Devin Smith.  His floor is high.  No rude awakening will be coming.  He may not be as good as last season, but he's not going to fall into being a bottom 10 starting QB either.  It's just not going to happen.  Funny how you admitted you were wrong about the guy, then post this nonsense a couple weeks later. 

Geno, meanwhile, will be released if another QB is added via the draft or if a moderately capable QB gets added via free agency.  Of this there can be little doubt.  Maybe someone out there will think they can fix him and offers a conditional pick.  But either way, the only way Geno sticks around is if we make zero changes to our QB situation this offseason.  That's the only thing that will save him a roster spot with the Jets.  We're not carrying 4 QB's on our 53-man roster.  Absolutely not going to happen.  Geno would need to beat out Petty AND X (added QB) for the # 2 job.  If the Jets feel Petty is ready for the backup job OR adds another QB in the draft with some upside, OR adds a veteran backup they like, Geno no longer serves any purpose for us.  That's a lot of bad scenarios Geno needs to not happen if he's going to remain on the team. 

[Jet Nut]

Slow release and an over the top pitcher like windup arent cliches. 

Obviously not.  When you actually see it in a QB.  Geno's a lot things, a lot bad.  Over the top pitcher and a releas that's slow isn't one of them

[Powpow]

Does anyone know when Geno can be cut and the ramifications to the cap.  This would be addition by subtraction, so just wondering how this all plays out.  What's terribly frightening is the new regime was 'all in' on Geno being the starter this past year.  Not totally blaming them seeing how the QB situation was in such disarray when Mac and Bowles got here.   With they're options severely limited, they really had no choice but to give Geno another shot.  And another shot he got...right to the kisser.  After that incident, the front office witnessed first hand his immaturity and lack of leadership skills. Not to mention his trademark style of running around like a wind up robot as evidenced in the Raider game. As it stands, the front office has no really good reason to bring him back.  Even Marshall, who was his biggest supporter, has thrown him under the bus with the 4-12 w/o Fitzy comment.  Coming from Marshall, this is a direct indictment of how Marshall truly feels about Geno now.  The argument to retain Geno as the back up, since he knows the system and is under contract, holds no water.  Petty is in the wings, we are more than likely getting another QB in the draft to develop and we can sign a more polished vet on the cheap and have him sit on the practice squad if needed. I would be shocked and appalled if Mac doesn't ship this clown off to the circus.    

[Jetsfan80]

Does anyone know when Geno can be cut and the ramifications to the cap. 

Geno gets cut (before OR after June 1, no difference):  $1.1M cap savings, $500K dead money.  He has 1 year left on his rookie deal.

As a # 2 QB, he'd be very cheap.  But if he slides down the depth chart for any reason, he becomes expendable.  UDFA's for instance, sign 3 year deals for the rookie minimum of $435K per season. 

 

[JohnnyLV]

He's been a top 20 QB the last 3 years, for 3 different teams, and top 15 for each of the last 2.  Marshall and Decker will be back, with Jace Amaro returning as well as Devin Smith.  His floor is high.  No rude awakening will be coming.  He may not be as good as last season, but he's not going to fall into being a bottom 10 starting QB either.  It's just not going to happen.  Funny how you admitted you were wrong about the guy, then post this nonsense a couple weeks later. 

Geno, meanwhile, will be released if another QB is added via the draft or if a moderately capable QB gets added via free agency.  Of this there can be little doubt.  Maybe someone out there will think they can fix him and offers a conditional pick.  But either way, the only way Geno sticks around is if we make zero changes to our QB situation this offseason.  That's the only thing that will save him a roster spot with the Jets.  We're not carrying 4 QB's on our 53-man roster.  Absolutely not going to happen.  Geno would need to beat out Petty AND X (added QB) for the # 2 job.  If the Jets feel Petty is ready for the backup job OR adds another QB in the draft with some upside, OR adds a veteran backup they like, Geno no longer serves any purpose for us.  That's a lot of bad scenarios Geno needs to not happen if he's going to remain on the team. 

I went along for the ride as he was on a really hot streak. He came up small and I never changed my opinion on him. He is a stat compiler that does not make plays. Can he recapture that magic he had for those 5 games? I seriously doubt it. Bowles pretty much has to anoint him because Geno and probably Petty would outperform him in a competition. But but all means keep thinking Fitz is something he is not after riding the best Top 2 WR combo in the NFL and as schedule loaded with crappy defenses to a historic Jet, but NFL average season.

[Jetsfan80]

I went along for the ride as he was on a really hot streak. He came up small and I never changed my opinion on him. He is a stat compiler that does not make plays. Can he recapture that magic he had for those 5 games? I seriously doubt it. Bowles pretty much has to anoint him because Geno and probably Petty would outperform him in a competition. But but all means keep thinking Fitz is something he is not after riding the best Top 2 WR combo in the NFL and as schedule loaded with crappy defenses to a historic Jet, but NFL average season.

A "stat compiler" implies that he does, in fact, make plays to compile those stats.  Weren't you one of those who needed us to beat the Pats before you became a "believer"?  Did he "come up small" when he led us on that overtime TD drive in 4 plays, vaulting us into a "win and we're in" situation in the first place? 

Yes, I will continue to think Fitz is "something", because even when factoring out the receivers using advanced stats, Fitz's metrics come up strong.  He passed both the numbers and the eye tests.  We'd all love to have a guy with higher upside to turn to, but until that happens, I'll take the guy with the high floor in 2016. 

But yeah, keep dreaming that any old guy or Petty/Geno would exceed his performance right now.  They wouldn't, but it's a real cute to listen to the reasons they would based on no evidence whatsoever.  It's equally cute to assume Bowles "had" to start him.  No, he chose to start him, because he's the best option and Bowles knows better than you do.  And he'll continue to choose to start him until Macc is able to draft him the next Rodgers.

[JohnnyLV]

A "stat compiler" implies that he does, in fact, make plays to compile those stats.  Weren't you one of those who needed us to beat the Pats before you became a "believer"?  Did he "come up small" when he led us on that overtime TD drive in 4 plays, vaulting us into a "win and we're in" situation in the first place? 

Yes, I will continue to think Fitz is "something", because even when factoring out the receivers using advanced stats, Fitz's metrics come up strong.  He passed both the numbers and the eye tests.  We'd all love to have a guy with higher upside to turn to, but until that happens, I'll take the guy with the high floor in 2016. 

But yeah, keep dreaming that any old guy or Petty/Geno would exceed his performance right now.  They wouldn't, but it's a real cute to listen to the reasons they would based on no evidence whatsoever.  It's equally cute to assume Bowles "had" to start him.  No, he chose to start him, because he's the best option and Bowles knows better than you do.  And he'll continue to choose to start him until Macc is able to draft him the next Rodgers.

He may have CONTINUED to start him thinking he was the best option but the only reason he started was Geno's jaw. Fitz could ultimately spell Bowles departure if he gets stubborn about him, which he might, Bowles prefers veterans.

[Powpow]

I went along for the ride as he was on a really hot streak. He came up small and I never changed my opinion on him. He is a stat compiler that does not make plays. Can he recapture that magic he had for those 5 games? I seriously doubt it. Bowles pretty much has to anoint him because Geno and probably Petty would outperform him in a competition. But but all means keep thinking Fitz is something he is not after riding the best Top 2 WR combo in the NFL and as schedule loaded with crappy defenses to a historic Jet, but NFL average season.

Doesn't mater what you think. Bowles already declared he'd be the starter next year numerous games before the season had ended regardless of its ending.

[UntouchableCrew]

You'd hope he would have maximum motivation going into his 3rd make or break year... But yeah, I guess the prospect of your career essentially being over is a pretty powerful motivator.

[prime21]

IF the coaches think Petty can be a backup next season then lets rid ourselves of Geno.  

[JohnnyLV]

Doesn't mater what you think. Bowles already declared he'd be the starter next year numerous games before the season had ended regardless of its ending.

it's a discussion forum, none oof our opinions matter. He said the same thing about Geno as s well.

[Xtina]

10 x 0 is still 0 

[EM31]

10 x 0 is still 0 

Ding ding ding.  We have a winner here.

[BurnleyJet]

Thanks Idzik..

[slats]

Geno, meanwhile, will be released if another QB is added via the draft or if a moderately capable QB gets added via free agency.  Of this there can be little doubt.  Maybe someone out there will think they can fix him and offers a conditional pick.  But either way, the only way Geno sticks around is if we make zero changes to our QB situation this offseason.  That's the only thing that will save him a roster spot with the Jets.  We're not carrying 4 QB's on our 53-man roster.  Absolutely not going to happen.  Geno would need to beat out Petty AND X (added QB) for the # 2 job.  If the Jets feel Petty is ready for the backup job OR adds another QB in the draft with some upside, OR adds a veteran backup they like, Geno no longer serves any purpose for us.  That's a lot of bad scenarios Geno needs to not happen if he's going to remain on the team. 

This is a lot of words to say it all kinda comes down to how they feel about Petty. 

If they like how the Petty project is going, but they'd still like to keep him off the field next year, the status quo makes a lot of sense. As it is, the Jets have more needs/wants than they do draft picks and cap room. No reason to add QB to the list if they don't have to. Even keeping Geno as a number three for his contract is pretty cheap insurance. No real need to replace him even if Petty is penciled in as the #2. A veteran would cost more than Geno, and a rookie obviously doesn't bring much to the table - especially in this scenario where that Okies would be a late round pick. 

Now, if they're souring on Petty and opt to take a QB in the first or second round next year, Geno is in serious trouble and likely out. Conversely, if for some reason they can't work out a deal with Fitz, it would make no sense at all to let Geno go. Barring a blockbuster deal for a different QB (veteran or high #1 pick), Geno would be back to competing for the staring job. 

[Mandarinia]

0% x 10 = 0%

[Jetsfan80]

As it is, the Jets have more needs/wants than they do draft picks and cap room. No reason to add QB to the list if they don't have to. 

QB will always be a need until we have a franchise guy. In the short-term with Fitz it is not a pressing need for 2016, but the most important thing for this regime to figure out is our long term answer at QB. So while the Jets may well like how Petty is progressing, it would be very easy to see us using another mid-round pick on a QB. That would be a far better use of our # 3 QB spot than Geno would be. Geno has no future here.

[BowlesMovement]

Super psyched for Geno 3.0!

The super duper motivated one!!

 

[slats]

QB will always be a need until we have a franchise guy. In the short-term with Fitz it is not a pressing need for 2016, but the most important thing for this regime to figure out is our long term answer at QB. So while the Jets may well like how Petty is progressing, it would be very easy to see us using another mid-round pick on a QB. That would be a far better use of our # 3 QB spot than Geno would be. Geno has no future here.

Going into the season with Fitz, Petty, and a mid round rookie puts the whole season in Fitzpatrick's hands, and unless Petty really is that lightening in a bottle, the season is over if Fitz gets hurt. And then they're sitting at the top of the 2017 draft with two young QBs on the roster. 

Taking emotion out of the equation, Geno is a better insurance policy than Petty or a mid round rookie. 

[Jetsfan80]

Going into the season with Fitz, Petty, and a mid round rookie puts the whole Fitzpatrick's hands, and unless Petty really is that lightening in a bottle, the season is over if Fitz gets hurt. And then they're sitting at the top of the 2017 draft with two young  roster. 

Taking emotion out of the equation, Geno is a better insurance policy than Petty or a mid round rookie. 

The season is mostly lost if Fitz goes down either way, much like every other team who has a semi-established starting QB. If Petty is ready to be elevated to the backup role he is the guy we'll want to see if something happens to Fitz. 

[slats]

The season is mostly lost if Fitz goes down either way, much like every other team who has a semi-established starting QB. If Petty is ready to be elevated to the backup role he is the guy we'll want to see if something happens to Fitz. 

Whether he's ready to be promoted or not, if they're happy with his development so far, there's no reason not to stick to the status quo. Dumping Geno means replacing him with a more expensive veteran, or spending one of their six draft picks on a mid round QB who'd like bring nothing to the team next year. Why create another hole if you don't have to? I'm convinced that fans hate Geno a lot more than his coaches or teammates. 

Now if they're not sold on Petty and want to draft a QB early next year, that's another story. Then Geno is likely the odd man out. But if they like Petty but want to keep developing him, going Fitz-Geno-Petty next season, and Petty-Fitz-draft pick the following year is a pragmatic plan. The late comp pick for Geno in 2018 would be the added bonus.