Jet Nut Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Jetdawgg said: No mention of all the holding Buf got away with last night. It was an absurdity. A few strange non calls. I thought they should have acalled grounding on the play right before the Salas TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 We were playing a scrambling QB so the D line is more concerned about containment then they were about getting pressure. Not to mention the Bills only had 50 plays (Compared to the jets 71). The one time Catapano tried to be a hero and go way outside on a pass rush, Taylor burned him for a nice run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Willliams or Richardson. Don't care who is better. We got them BOTH on our squad and that's bad news for the rest of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: We were playing a scrambling QB so the D line is more concerned about containment then they were about getting pressure. Not to mention the Bills only had 50 plays (Compared to the jets 71). The one time Catapano tried to be a hero and go way outside on a pass rush, Taylor burned him for a nice run. This. They did the same thing that the Ravens did a week ago. Keep Taylor in the pocket, don't give him lanes to run in if the pass rush doesn't get to him. Hurt the sack number but took away Taylors strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no psls Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Sheldon is a timebomb , waiting to explode . Get something for him before it is too late !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I think it is a fair point; are we better suited for a 3-4 or a 4-3? When Richardson is in, we shift to the 4-3 base. Last night was a certain game plan designed to stop the run and prevent Taylor from running; it mostly worked. And, the only time it really burned us is with that broken play TD. But, we won the game (thanks mostly to the offense). Let's see how the DL plays in a few more games. With more pocket QBs like Brady, etc we may be killer with Richardson in. If we decide we are better off without him, I would imagine there will be plenty of teams willing to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Richardson is and under achiever and a moron one to boot. the guy is still living off his great 1st year imo. Taking a taunting penalty when your team has just given up an 80 yard td takes a special kind of stupid. As for Lee I've not changed my opinion on him at all. Watch the last Buffalo TD, he was pure awful on that play and Bowles let him know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Yes, I'm about to change the subject because arguing about who is more 'expendable' L.Williams or S.Richardson, at this point in the season, and this point in both player's careers is silly-IMO. But did you guys see the power hit behind the line of scrimmage our shrimp LB Lee put on the RB in the 4th quarter as he shot through the gap and absolutely blew up the play? Dude is FAST and instinctive. Where's @Mainejet when you need him???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjets782 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 8 hours ago, JetsFan12 said: He's still much better and more talented than Williams who imo is the odd man out. IMO that's a hilarious statement. Do you watch the games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 18 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: This. They did the same thing that the Ravens did a week ago. Keep Taylor in the pocket, don't give him lanes to run in if the pass rush doesn't get to him. Hurt the sack number but took away Taylors strength. What they didn't do was keep safeties deep which the Ravens did...and we should have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, bostonmajet said: I think it is a fair point; are we better suited for a 3-4 or a 4-3? When Richardson is in, we shift to the 4-3 base. Last night was a certain game plan designed to stop the run and prevent Taylor from running; it mostly worked. And, the only time it really burned us is with that broken play TD. But, we won the game (thanks mostly to the offense). Let's see how the DL plays in a few more games. With more pocket QBs like Brady, etc we may be killer with Richardson in. If we decide we are better off without him, I would imagine there will be plenty of teams willing to take him. We ran a 4 man front against Cinci as well. Has nothing to do with Shelly. Lawrence Thomas started that game in Richardson's spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 8 hours ago, JetsFan12 said: He's still much better and more talented than Williams who imo is the odd man out. I certainly hope you are talking about MArcus Jets fans 1-11 all know the Williamson may be the most gifted D lineman in the league. If he puts it all together and works hard enough he'll start stacking 1st team all pro's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Todd Bowles and Kacey Rodgers need to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 8 hours ago, JetsFan12 said: He's still much better and more talented than Williams who imo is the odd man out. Are you Sheldon's mom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergenjets Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 14 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said: What they didn't do was keep safeties deep which the Ravens did...and we should have done. Yep, with this Dline they can play cover 2 and still stuff the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 9 hours ago, jetscrazey said: Are you kidding me? Williams might make the pro bowl this season. What does Marcus Williams have to do with the D Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Awesome win last night so lets move on and argue about who is better Sheldon or Williams. SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Last night's Defensive scheme was to keep Taylor in the pocket. Beat the Jets with his arm not with his legs. The blitz schemes seem to not be as agressive and everybody was staying in their lanes and trying to keep containment. And he was being spied most of the game. Unfortunately he completed a couple bombs and that game on paper should have been a blow out. None the less it was a win. I don't think it had anything to do with Richardson being on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Jet Nut said: A few strange non calls. I thought they should have acalled grounding on the play right before the Salas TD Yeah, that one baffled me the most. There was no one anywhere close to that throw away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 23 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: Yeah, that one baffled me the most. There was no one anywhere close to that throw away. Bowles was screaming for the call. And the crew was too busy bs'ing about something else, never even commented or showed a replay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said: We ran a 4 man front against Cinci as well. Has nothing to do with Shelly. Lawrence Thomas started that game in Richardson's spot. Yes, but we didn't run it as much; BTW Thomas was a beast on ST and played well on the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 hours ago, nyjets782 said: IMO that's a hilarious statement. Do you watch the games? Yes, and the results and game changing plays speak for themselves.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Richardson is and under achiever and a moron one to boot. the guy is still living off his great 1st year imo. Taking a taunting penalty when your team has just given up an 80 yard td takes a special kind of stupid. As for Lee I've not changed my opinion on him at all. Watch the last Buffalo TD, he was pure awful on that play and Bowles let him know it. The taunting was stupid, but I like that he shows emotion and isn't fine with what happened. Leonard just seems like a robot..... As for Lee I completely disagree. You see the makings of an animal and playmaker. Not saying he doesn't need to tighten things up but he's only going to get much, much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 The statistical drop off both years is somewhat odd but not like they were getting 7 sacks per game with or without. Different team, different situation. They blitzed a lot more last week, non-mobile QB, were home. As Ape said, a lot of holding non calls... But the thought crossed my mind too last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, prime21 said: Awesome win last night so lets move on and argue about who is better Sheldon or Williams. SMH Williams. Oops sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjets782 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, JetsFan12 said: Yes, and the results and game changing plays speak for themselves.... Again, you appear to be watching different results and different plays, though his jumping offsides last year in Buffalo week 17 on an obvious "draw them off" situation could be considered game changing. Sheldon has clearly leveled off at this point of his career, his missing several games due to being a colossal idiot has probably contributed to that. If there is one of the three that is not worth the long term investment it's Sheldon and it's not close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Richardson probably made the play of the game, with the stop on 4th and 1. Who knows what happens if they convert there. Totally different line responsibilities in last nights game, than against the Bengals. Last night they had to maintain their lanes and keep in front of the qb. You saw what happens if he breaks containment. They wanted to try and keep him in the pocket first, get sacks second. Totally different plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 13 hours ago, jetscrazey said: I think OP is misreading the situation. First, Sheldon is playing a different position this year than last year. Last year he was a straight-up OLB. Bowles switched to a base 4-3 this year and has Sheldon playing weak side DE, where he can manhandle finesse LTs and worry less about containing the edge run. I like it. The Jets game plan tonight was to not sell out for the sack, but instead focus on containing Taylor and making him throw from the pocket. It was a good game plan, they gave up 24 points after adjusting for the Bills defensive TD, which isn't an abomination for a shootout type of game with 2 deep ball TDs on miscues by the secondary. Don't misread it as Sheldon not playing well. Sheldon made a big stop on 4th and 1 tonight too. Exactly when did Taylor hurt the Jets when he was able to get outside. D-line did not push the pocket. Dalton and Taylor are different QB's. Taylor is at his best when he gets outside and is a threat to run. Dalton is a pocket passer and little theat to run you can push the pocket on guys like him and sacks will occur. Smith is a pocket guy and expect to see lots of pressure on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Sheldon is a beast. One of our best players. We would not be better off without him. How would we? By giving more time to inferior lineman. Him, Wilk, Williams, and McLendon make up arguably the best D-Line in the league. And Sheldon can move all over that line and play some LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Here's a question that occurred to me since on poster mentioned trading him for a late 1st round draft pick. Where are we more staked and have better depth, DE or WR? It's a tough call and quite a unique situation for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 14 hours ago, JetsFan12 said: He's still much better and more talented than Williams who imo is the odd man out. Minus 21 on your like-o-meter should tell you how Jets fans feel about THAT comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said: Minus 21 on your like-o-meter should tell you how Jets fans feel about THAT comment. A few a few posters agreed with me though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 11 hours ago, nj meadowlands said: This. This is a silly thread looking for something to complain about. Hint: the defensive line is not it. Why does it have to be complaining when someone brings up a point of discussion? It's actually valid and something a little different than the same Geno sucks, Fitz sucks BS we've had on here for the past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 20 hours ago, CobraVerde said: Yeah he had a big play but this was something I had my eye since last year when he served 4 games. It's one week 2 and his first week back but keep an eye on this. This is actually very interesting to me. I was thinking about this last night as well. No one will deny that Richardson is a very talented player but last season the Jets were on a major tear in the sack dept for the first 4 games of the season. Sheldon's return looked like the missing piece that would make that D line even more unstoppable. What happened instead was a noticeable slow down. We all know that last nights game plan was to be cautious not to over commit the rush and let Tyrod slip by for big runs. That has to be taken into account of course but the drop off from 7 sacks to zero is still something. I wonder if when Sheldon comes back into the fold the chemistry is somehow altered rendering the unit less effective overall. Add to it the first Defensive play of the game I saw Sheldon get in the face of an O lineman after the whistle and an early taunting penalty on him and it's not something to completely overlook. Something changes when he comes in. He did stop that 4th and 1 now didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 5 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: Here's a question that occurred to me since on poster mentioned trading him for a late 1st round draft pick. Where are we more staked and have better depth, DE or WR? It's a tough call and quite a unique situation for this team. Incredibly unique. I can't remember when we actually had a group of WR's this deep. It's very exciting. I liked Braylon, Holmes and Cotch a lot too, but this is a whole different level when you add Enunwa, Marshall 2, Anderson into the mix. Don't forget Devin smith is waiting in the infirmary as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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