SAR I Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The Redskins thought so much of Cousins that they parted with draft picks and a player for the rights to the walking definition of a mediocre quarterback, and the Jets are going to try and give the QB whom just lost his job to Alex Smith $180 million dollars. Never going to happen. Maccagnan is not going full-O'Donnell, no worries. We are going to skate through this offseason making no noise at quarterback whatsoever. Well, except when we give McCown the same deal Fitzpatrick got and then all the Cousins blowers will howl for six months. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, Dinamite said: Perhaps another reason Redskins did this so early. They have time to try to trade cousins. Washington has no leverage here, a S&T isn't happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, slimjasi said: The only argument for not drafting a QB is the argument that it's really hard to pick the right guy It’s not that hard, there just aren’t many of them. Guys who put up back to back season ranking 3-7 in DVOA and DYAR in their first two years as a starter while in their 20s do not grow on trees, so when one hits the open market - draft or otherwise - pay up if you’ve got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: The only argument for not drafting a QB is the argument that it's really hard to pick the right guy and that there are a lot of busts. But, that's a losing franchise's mentality. No it's not, the argument for signing Cousins is that you know he can produce high caliber results while having an ever changing cast around him. You don't know what it will cost to move up for what might be the 3rd best QB. Realistically the chances of any of these QBs performing up to the level that Kirk has so far is pretty slim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said: Lazy deflection. Wanna try again tho? Actually, I don't. If I want to have a pointless argument with a child I have a 14 year old daughter right up the stairs. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, King P said: Washington has no leverage here, a S&T isn't happening FML, yeah Redskins are weird lol. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, slimjasi said: You still apparently can't read. Try again! Try what? I gave you the semantics point there lol. They mean slightly different things in the context of this convo, one more final than the other, so you got it. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, SAR I said: Actually, I don't. If I want to have a pointless argument with a child I have a 14 year old daughter right up the stairs. SAR I Yep so anyway, back to that mystery QB you failed to name.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 There is zero, zilch, no chance Redskins get a sign and trade from this. Cousins has no incentive to do so, and no team will trade a pick for a guy that’s not signed. Cousins best option is to hit the open market, why in the world would he sign before then?Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: @slimjasi I'm still waiting on a reply about why Cousins doesn't want to be in Washington. I gave you a whole time line of events taken from Redskins fans and you either haven't read it or are quietly eating crow. Kirk wanted no part of Washington outside of saying the right things. Kirk was going to walk out their door and it's been obvious since the Summer. Yea, so I just read it. Sounded like a lot of innuendo to me - I wouldn't really consider Jets fans a reliable source for most of the BS that goes on with this franchise. I haven't read a good deal of that from any major reporter anywhere - and I read them all. Why are Redskins fans the objective arbiter on all things Kirk Cousins? But, regardless, let's assume that everything you wrote is entirely accurate (ok, cool). . . None of that means that they ever thought he was a stud, franchise guy. And the bottom line is that I don't think he is either. So . . . I don't want the Jets to pay him like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, SAR I said: SAR I Really THO - Mark Sanchez is and was a horrendous, decade ruining QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, SenorGato said: They mean slightly different things in the context of this convo, one more final than the other, so you got it. Congrats! No, they mean entirely different things. Nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, slimjasi said: Yea, so I just read it. Sounded like a lot of innuendo to me - I wouldn't really consider Jets fans a reliable source for most of the BS that goes on with this franchise. I haven't read a good deal of that from any major reporter anywhere - and I read them all. Why are Redskins fans the objective arbiter on all things Kirk Cousins? But, regardless, let's assume that everything you wrote is entirely accurate (ok, cool). . . None of that means that they ever thought he was a stud, franchise guy. And the bottom line is that I don't think he is either. So . . . I don't want the Jets to pay him like one. He got this directly from the Redskins board. I seen him registered on there. This isn’t a “Jet fan’s opinion” on a different franchise. This is 100% what they told me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 If they want a first out of Cousins they can forget it. Look what Jimmy brought the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, slimjasi said: Yea, so I just read it. Sounded like a lot of innuendo to me - I wouldn't really consider Jets fans a reliable source for most of the BS that goes on with this franchise. I haven't read a good deal of that from any major reporter anywhere - and I read them all. Why are Redskins fans the objective arbiter on all things Kirk Cousins? But, regardless, let's assume that everything you wrote is entirely accurate (ok, cool). . . None of that means that they ever thought he was a stud, franchise guy. And the bottom line is that I don't think he is either. So . . . I don't want the Jets to pay him like one. I suggest you go read their fan forums and see just how upset the Skins fans are. They offered him a 5 year deal this offseason making him the 2nd highest paid QB and Kirk didn't try to counter offer. Your whole point was that the Redskins are letting him walk because he's not a franchise guy, that isn't true because Kirk is the one that refused to negotiate or sign a deal with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, dcJet said: Mac's plan, fix the cap and pass on QB last year and go all in this year. Haters gotta agree he's done a good job accumulating picks and cash. Now he just needs to not F it up. Just back date this post, scratch out mac and insert idzik. GMs have a really hard time just not fing up the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, slimjasi said: No, they mean entirely different things. Nice try. Sure sure, like I said you got the semantics point there. Totally wildly different in context - one dismisses passively while the other less passively. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, SAR I said: Just because Kirk Cousins is the King Of The Mediocre doesn't make him anyone's franchise quarterback and certainly not worth that kind of money. SAR I When Mark Sanchez throws for over 4000 yards, 27 TDs & 13 INT to new WRs, an injured TE, an Oline because of injury that had the 2nd most shuffled line in the NFL, let me know. Ridiculous that Jet fans are poo pooing signing Kirk Cousins! Actually MIND BOGGLING after the SH*T I've been watching all these years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, pdxgreen said: If they want a first out of Cousins they can forget it. Look what Jimmy brought the Pats. There will be no trade. He'll be a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Patriot Killa said: He got this directly from the Redskins board. I seen him registered on there. This isn’t a “Jet fan’s opinion” on a different franchise. This is 100% what they told me as well. I know. I wrote "Why are Redskins fans the objective arbiter on all things Kirk Cousins?" (When I wrote "I wouldn't really consider Jets fans a reliable source for most of the BS that goes on with this franchise," I was using this fanbase as an example). Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Hmm well. Washington it was clear weren't going forward with Cousins and they needed a QB, what are their choices. Only decent QB on FA (or seemingly available) is Smith, or draft a QB. They probably felt they aren't in the running to get a top 4-5 QB in the draft so that left whatever deal with Smith. I'm glad it's not us, but putting yourself in Washington's shoes it clears up the QB situation and despite the wreck they can move forward. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: I know. I wrote "Why are Redskins fans the objective arbiter on all things Kirk Cousins?" (When I wrote "I wouldn't really consider Jets fans a reliable source for most of the BS that goes on with this franchise," I was using this fanbase as an example). Get it? Yeah, now I do, you just wrote it in a really sh*tty way. Thanks 4 the analytical breakdown, newb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: A move out of desperation because they know Cousins and FO are not going to get a deal done. Oh damn. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, T0mShane said: Oh damn. Why not? Are you cereal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Pac said: oh... hai.. grab a seat... you're late to the party, bub. that weak line has already been used about 40 times in this thread and has been soundly debunked. Can you direct me toward The Hottest Take? Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 If the jets sign cousins, fine not my 1st choice but better than nothing, if they actually give up picks and a monster contract they are lead by fools once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Patriot Killa said: Are you cereal? I’m actually eating Banana Nut Cheerios as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, bla bla bla said: that isn't true because Kirk is the one that refused to negotiate or sign a deal with them. Yeah, I'm sorry, but I don't buy this. I don't care what the Redskins fans say. Jets fans also say a lot of things about this franchise that are total horsesh*t. Guys like Peter King, Adam Schefter, etc. have been reporting on the Cousins saga for a long time now. None of them have reported that Cousins refused to ever negotiate with the Redskins. I just don't buy that. If you can get me independent corroboration from some reporters, then cool. But I have been interested in the Cousins thing for a while now and I haven't seen it ever depicted quite the way you have. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Lith said: Vikings are also likely to be in play. All 3 of their QBs are FA. They have plenty of cap space and are ready to win now. Not a bad landing spot if you are Kirk. Problem is they won't have any long term money to pay their guys if they go after Cousins. Diggs, Hunter, Barr, Waynes, and Kendricks all are at the end of their deals. Can't sign them if they throw big money at Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: I’m actually eating Banana Nut Cheerios as we speak. Yooooo....that sounds really good. Regular Cheerios are for people that have to watch their heart. Bunch of old people cereal if you ask me. But Banana? What a youthful twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Yeah, now I do, you just wrote it in a really sh*tty way. Thanks 4 the analytical breakdown, newb. How about reading carefully and critically and not blaming the writer for your sh*tty reading comprehension? Newb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: If the jets sign cousins, fine not my 1st choice but better than nothing, if they actually give up picks and a monster contract they are lead by fools once again. He's gonna be a free agent. No trading back picks, just sign him and he's ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, SenorGato said: one dismisses passively while the other less passively. Congrats! No, one dismisses it and one doesn't dismiss it at all. Again, this delusion that you have that I denied that the Redskins ever tried to negotiate with Cousins is just that . . . a delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, slimjasi said: How about reading carefully and critically and not blaming the writer for your sh*tty reading comprehension? Newb. You sure are a pro at having to fabricate your intelligence LOL. Nothing you are saying has been written critically or carefully. Slow down there, newb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Yeah, I'm sorry, but I don't buy this. I don't care what the Redskins fans say. Jets fans also say a lot of things about this franchise that are total horsesh*t. Guys like Peter King, Adam Schefter, etc. have been reporting on the Cousins saga for a long time now. None of them have reported that Cousins refused to ever negotiate with the Redskins. I just don't buy that. If you can get me independent corroboration from some reporters, then cool. But I have been interested in the Cousins thing for a while now and I haven't seen it ever depicted quite the way you have. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Redskins offered a contract. Cousins rejected it and never countered. What more proof do u need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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