slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: they paid Smith This is what is so damning to me about their take on Cousins. Sure, maybe there is bad blood, but I also think it's pretty clear that they aren't anywhere near as infatuated with Cousins QB ability as Jets fans are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Paradis said: Man, are we really going to make Kirk Cousins THE highest paid player in the NFL... ugh. We will all survive it and he’ll be the highest paid player for maybe 15 months before getting topped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Paradis said: I'm not completely against Kirk... but this is not how i wanted to get my franchise QB. "Pony up the cash?..." wtf. Again, this is why you don't get your QB in free agency. You draft your QB and develop him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, slimjasi said: This is what is so damning to me about their take on Cousins. Sure, maybe there is bad blood, but I also think it's pretty clear that they aren't anywhere near as infatuated with Cousins QB ability as Jets fans are. Soooooo that $42 million they paid and the $53 garaunteed they offered are....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Right, so what does it tell you that they didn't want to pay him the big bucks? Bad Blood? What if they just don't think he's that good? Is that possible? Nah, not gonna help. Gonna lead the campaign against it, actually. You need to understand his time in Washington before you ask this, it's clear as day they were embarrassed by the RG3 situation and then fudged the contract negotiations. They are not letting Kirk go, Kirk is flipping them the bird while he walks out the door. Kirk doesn't want to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, David Harris said: I’d give be Cousins $40 million guaranteed year one...this team is I capabale if draftjng or building a QB- his is the once a decade chance to get a decent proven starter at sports most important position. We are decades jus languishing in mediocrity . we have to overpay because why would anyone come here for an equal salary- the Browns literally have more talent than us. if Mac doesn’t take this bull by the horns than I am done with him. And I am a hug Mac supporter but this IS IT. This decision changes the course of the franchise. Go get or ******* guy. even we had one of the top 2 picks than no need but after fkn up the tank it’s the least hey could do honestly eve if we had the 5th pick...you could made the argument. we are in a position where the top guys will be well gone by 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, slimjasi said: This is what is so damning to me about their take on Cousins. Sure, maybe there is bad blood, but I also think it's pretty clear that they aren't anywhere near as infatuated with Cousins QB ability as Jets fans are. Go talk to their fans who have been freaking out over losing him for the last year and a half because there are millions and they actually watched the guy play every single game of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: Yep. Washington definitely thinks Cousins is a top 10 QB. Definitely. Why else would they trade their 29 year old stud for a 33 year old check down Charlie? Just a a thought. 1) Money 2) If he won't sign a long-term deal, it won't matter. You could have Tom Brady as your QB, but if he won't sign, you have to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, slimjasi said: Again, this is why you don't get your QB in free agency. You draft your QB and develop him. There are zero actual rules on how to get a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, slimjasi said: Maybe? Not really? I mean, it wouldn't sway in a big way one way or another. Just saying, the decision makers in Washington are knuckleheads. They bungled their relationship with Cousins, and ended up with Alex Smith, who Andy Reid obviously didnt think was good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, SenorGato said: Soooooo that $42 million they paid and the $53 garaunteed they offered are....? That doesn't mean anything. They traded him for a guy 4 years older and THEN paid him. They didn't think Cousins was worth the stud money that he thought he was. I'm not sure what else to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 F____ , Macc. You better give the presentation of your flippin life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, bla bla bla said: You need to understand his time in Washington before you ask this, it's clear as day they were embarrassed by the RG3 situation and then fudged the contract negotiations. They are not letting Kirk go, Kirk is flipping them the bird while he walks out the door. Kirk doesn't want to be there. Boy, you guys are really infatuated with this guy, huh? How would you know any of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: This is what is so damning to me about their take on Cousins. Sure, maybe there is bad blood, but I also think it's pretty clear that they aren't anywhere near as infatuated with Cousins QB ability as Jets fans are. You are repeating yourself... a lot. We got your point already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: That doesn't mean anything. Ah, very convenient for you. That’s what I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) 1/30/18, 10:58 PM In Alex Smith trade, Chiefs will receive third-round pick And CB Kendall Fuller, per @FieldYates. So there’s the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Cousins is a C+ to B- QB. I personally think the draft is the answer.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Saul Goodman said: Just saying, the decision makers in Washington are knuckleheads. They bungled their relationship with Cousins, and ended up with Alex Smith, who Andy Reid obviously didnt think was good enough. Agree. But I'm talking about Cousins. (I totally agree that Alex Smith is not good enough and he is another guy I was totally against the Jets bringing in). I thought u were talking about some known opinion of Andy Reid's on Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Snell41 said: Cousins is a C+ to B- QB. I personally think the draft is the answer. JMO I think is an 88 QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I have no issue if anyone's own opinion of Cousins in not particularly favorable, but there are some pretty big leaps being made here by some trying to draw a narrative from this move simply to get it to support their own personal views. If you were to use the logic regarding a player leaving a team as proof positive about that player's abilities, it would have to go both ways. After all, if Cousins leaving Washington says how little you believe they think of him, by the same token, it would suggest a less than favorable evaluation of Smith as well. By that logic, the theory would be that KC doesn't think Smith is worth $17M, and yet for some reason the Redskins are set to send a draft bundle for the right to acquire him and pay him significantly more than that. Now don't get me wrong, none of this is meant to sway anyone should let this move influence their own views of Cousin one way or another, but rather it's a bit of a stretch to conclude that a player hitting FA is on its own the basis for evaluating him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, dcJet said: You are repeating yourself... a lot. We got your point already. It's clear to me that most people don't really get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 41 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: According to Mary Kay Cabot, the Browns also tried to trade for Alex Smith Probably didn't get the paperwork in on time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 regardless if you like Kirk Cousins or not, the Jets signing him is a great thing for this fan base and for this team. It makes us more flexible in upgrading the rest of the team and guarantees we will be competitive next year and for the next few years. you could argue the long term merrits of signing him...but bottom line we are all fans...we want a winning product over what we've had for most of our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Paradis said: Fcking 90 million dollar extension for Alex Smith...? Man, are we really going to make Kirk Cousins THE highest paid player in the NFL... ugh. Nope. Not going to happen. Mccagnan isn't going full O'Donnell, no way. Also... Miami Buffalo Denver Minnesota Jacksonville All better destinations than Florham Park. Not to mention Indianapolis (if Smith got that money, what would Luck be worth?) or even Pittsburgh (same for Roethlisberger even on his last legs). Kirk Cousins will not come to New York. This talk is ludicrous. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: That doesn't mean anything. They traded him for a guy 4 years older and THEN paid him. They didn't think Cousins was worth the stud money that he thought he was. I'm not sure what else to tell you. They had to pay him, wtf? You think he was going to stay on that one year deal with no successor behind him? Jay Gruden has been pounding his hand on the table for Kirk. The GM screwed up. If they didn’t think he was that good then why did they franchise tag him twice? They screwed up. Idk what is so hard for you to understand about that. This isn’t Madden. You can’t give a computerized agent contract offer after contract offer and him not get infuriated with the flaky business work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Snell41 said: Cousins is a C+ to B- QB. I personally think the draft is the answer. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app I trust these dicks to develop a QB about as far as I can throw them. Go get Kirk P.S. He’s more like a B+ QB I don’t care if he’s not Brady or Rodgers. Few are. But he’s a borderline Top 10 QB just hitting his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: You need to understand his time in Washington before you ask this, it's clear as day they were embarrassed by the RG3 situation and then fudged the contract negotiations. They are not letting Kirk go, Kirk is flipping them the bird while he walks out the door. Kirk doesn't want to be there. actually worse than that, the redskins fired mcgloughan who cousins had a great relationship with. he basically said he won't negotiate with bruce allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Pay Cousins and surround him with great talent. Sounds like a good plan to me but go ahead guys, lets SOJF our way into every possible alternative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: This is what is so damning to me about their take on Cousins. Sure, maybe there is bad blood, but I also think it's pretty clear that they aren't anywhere near as infatuated with Cousins QB ability as Jets fans are. Very true and a good point but I think we have to consider Washington (Daniel) made that decision 3 years ago and Kirk proved them wrong with his play on the field and now we are dealing with egos Have you ever had a fight with a "significant other" over something stupid that escalated beyond reason? just saying it's possible - agree the Jets should build in protection but this is not an opportunity to pass on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Bleedin Green said: I have no issue if anyone's own opinion of Cousins in not particularly favorable, but there are some pretty big leaps being made here by some trying to draw a narrative from this move simply to get it to support their own personal views. If you were to use the logic regarding a player leaving a team as proof positive about that player's abilities, it would have to go both ways. After all, if Cousins leaving Washington says how little you believe they think of him, by the same token, it would suggest a less than favorable evaluation of Smith as well. By that logic, the theory would be that KC doesn't think Smith is worth $17M, and yet for some reason the Redskins are set to send a draft bundle for the right to acquire him and pay him significantly more than that. Now don't get me wrong, none of this is meant to sway anyone should let this move influence their own views of Cousin one way or another, but rather it's a bit of a stretch to conclude that a player hitting FA is on its own the basis for evaluating him. It's bigger than Washington. Teams don't let stud QBs go in free agency. Obviously they could be wrong about him, but I don't think they think he is a stud QB and I think we should be very wary of making him the highest QB in the league. It would be SO Jetsy to sign cousins to a mega deal and then go 8-8 for the next 4 years. I can already feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, C Mart said: Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) 1/30/18, 10:58 PM In Alex Smith trade, Chiefs will receive third-round pick And CB Kendall Fuller, per @FieldYates. So there’s the trade. fuller just said he's not part of the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, k-met57 said: signing cousins just opens up so much for us... - become more desirable as a FA destination - check - allow us to go BPA at 6 - check - give us a top 12 player at the most importnat position on the team - check salary cap causalities for the next 5 years, check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 37 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: NO he isn't. They're equal at best. you say tomato.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: Very true and a good point but I think we have to consider Washington (Daniel) made that decision 3 years ago and Kirk proved them wrong with his play on the field and now we are dealing with egos Have you ever had a fight with a "significant other" over something stupid that escalated beyond reason? just saying it's possible - agree the Jets should build in protection but this is not an opportunity to pass on Yeah, sure, that's theoretically possible, but wouldn't a simpler solution be that they just don't think he's that great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Paradis said: salary cap causalities for the next 5 years, check. who on this roster are you afraid to lose? lol... there are about 5 guys i'd name and they are all pups. stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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