UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Augustiniak said: the possibility that they try but get shut out of the qbs has to be considered. teams could offer insane packages to get ahead of the jets and i think that factored into the bridgewater signing. the jets do not control their own destiny here. but they could always deal bridgewater during the season if/when a rookie is ready. BUt I do think they will draft a QB in this draft, regardless of where. They will try to trade up first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Agreed that it now looks like the Browns will go QB with the first pick. But, after the Browns select a QB, how do the Giants NOT take Barkley? And I really question the Giants trading out of the first 7 or 8 picks because the cream of the crop in this draft is the Quarterbacks, Barkley, Chubb, and Fitzpatrick. This is the Jets great advantage in trading up. If a team above the Jets makes a trade with the Jets, they can still get Barkely, Chubb, or Fitzpatrick. If a team picking in the top 5 trades with the Bills, they can say good bye to their shot at one of these guys. I think this makes the Jets a far better trading partner for the Giants, Colts or Browns than the Bills or any other team. I really can not envision the Jets screwing this up. The thing with the Giants is this: the head coach is a QB guy and everyone knows that Eli is done, even if they’re throwing roses at his feet on the way out the door. The new regime has a chance to set themselves up at QB for another ten years, or they can set themselves up for a, what, two year run with Barkley hiding Eli? If Gettleman is able to add Solder and Jensen today, I think they’re going QB at two, and Brkely drops to four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Agreed, but I don’t think either Maccagnan nor Bowles have ever wanted any part of drafting a QB at six regardless, even before signing Teddy. Even if only superficially, yesterday’s signings give them the cover they need to go in a different direction. Why did they bother talking to the qbs then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, T0mShane said: The thing with the Giants is this: the head coach is a QB guy and everyone knows that Eli is done, even if they’re throwing roses at his feet on the way out the door. The new regime has a chance to set themselves up at QB for another ten years, or they can set themselves up for a, what, two year run with Barkley hiding Eli? If Gettleman is able to add Solder and Jensen today, I think they’re going QB at two, and Brkely drops to four. Between this and zero chance Denver passes on a QB because Keenum! It will be interesting to see what’s left if the jets don’t trade up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, nycdan said: Maybe in their own minds, but nowhere else. In no rational thoughtspace are McCown and Bridgewater on one-year deals a stable QB platform to build around for the next few years. Which presupposes that Macc and Bowles care about anything more than next year, which they’ve never shown a hint of in their time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, nycdan said: Meh. I don't know much about him. Not sure he's much of an upgrade. Anyone have some intel? As it stands, I wouldn't hate us taking a Center on day 2 if a good one falls right. agree, Long was not a starter in Washington and ended the year on IR with knee issues good size and 3rd round pick from Nebraska so agree it is probably an upgrade over Wesley but hardly a big signing that they needed on the O-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: BUt I do think they will draft a QB in this draft, regardless of where. They will try to trade up first true but at this point in mccags' 4th draft, any qb they take outside the 1st round has no shot of playing. bowles can head off playing falk or lauretta but the national pressure to play someone like mayfield would cost him his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL 41s41 seconds ago More #Jets source to me "No, that [McCown & Bridgewater] doesn't take us out of the running for a QB at #6 at all, we had to get a talent infusion at the position, we don't have another viable starter on the roster." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: the possibility that they try but get shut out of the qbs has to be considered. teams could offer insane packages to get ahead of the jets and i think that factored into the bridgewater signing. the jets do not control their own destiny here. but they could always deal bridgewater during the season if/when a rookie is ready. Bridgewater just signed for punter money. He has no value to anyone but the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Augustiniak said: true but at this point in mccags' 4th draft, any qb they take outside the 1st round has no shot of playing. bowles can head off playing falk or lauretta but the national pressure to play someone like mayfield would cost him his job. Just imagining the narrative on Sunday broadcasts if Mayfield is backing up McCown makes me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: The thing with the Giants is this: the head coach is a QB guy and everyone knows that Eli is done, even if they’re throwing roses at his feet on the way out the door. The new regime has a chance to set themselves up at QB for another ten years, or they can set themselves up for a, what, two year run with Barkley hiding Eli? If Gettleman is able to add Solder and Jensen today, I think they’re going QB at two, and Brkely drops to four. That makes sense. What if the Giants really do like Davis Webb, and they were not just blowing smoke when they said so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Why did they bother talking to the qbs then? Every team talks to the QBs. The Patriots talk to the QBs. The Steelers are working out Lamar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL 41s41 seconds ago More #Jets source to me "No, that [McCown & Bridgewater] doesn't take us out of the running for a QB at #6 at all, we had to get a talent infusion at the position, we don't have another viable starter on the roster." So you're saying Hack and Petty aren't working out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Bridgewater just signed for punter money. He has no value to anyone but the Jets. qbs will get hurt during the season and teams in playoff contention may need a backup for cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, nycdan said: So you're saying Hack and Petty aren't working out? I would have thought that was obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, shuler82 said: Between this and zero chance Denver passes on a QB because Keenum! It will be interesting to see what’s left if the jets don’t trade up Minkah, Ward, Chubb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, nycdan said: So you're saying Hack and Petty aren't working out? in fairness to bowles, he had 2 backup qbs who couldn't execute a play last year. so i get the bridgewater signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, Pac said: The only jabronies who thought the Jets were throwing anything was your insufferable wolf pack. Sorry but no coaches or players ever considered your feelings when it was time to go play a game. I accept your apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Augustiniak said: in fairness to bowles, he had 2 backup qbs who couldn't execute a play last year. so i get the bridgewater signing. This narrative that Bowles will not play the young QB can only be proved if they get a young QB that's better than the veteran QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Every team talks to the QBs. The Patriots talk to the QBs. The Steelers are working out Lamar. Your mind is a scary place. It presupposes irrational thought to feed its own delusion that fit its own construct. Much the way that I read serial killers operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I don't love him. But he's still a big upgrade over Wesley Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: That makes sense. What if the Giants really do like Davis Webb, and they were not just blowing smoke when they said so? The thing is neither Gettleman nor Shurmur had anything to do with Webb. I’m sure Shurmur looked at him leading up,to the draft last year, but it’s hard to see how he’d rate compared to Rosen or Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Jason La CanforaVerified account @JasonLaCanfora 32s32 seconds ago More Jets pact with Spencer Long set to become official when the new league year begins this afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, ScarletKnight89 said: I don't love him. But he's still a big upgrade over Wesley Johnson. I will say that I love his versatility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: This narrative that Bowles will not play the young QB can only be proved if they get a young QB that's better than the veteran QBs. let me tell you, if mccagnan trades up for rosen or mayfield and he's not playing by midseason and the team is 2-6 the pressure to play this qb will result in either the rookie playing or bowles losing his job at the end of the season and being replaced by an offensive minded hc who understands the importance of developing a young qb. bowles does not win this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Supposedly Long is a better Guard than Center. Hopefully we grab Long and Jensen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Mike135 said: Macc has really turned this around. The only dark cloud now is the insane report that Mccown has already been named the starter. the "naming mccown" the starter at this point seems dumb to me. I don't see the benefit to doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, nycdan said: You might want to let that last sentence roll around in your head a little bit I have. If the Jets walk away from this draft without Rosen, Darnold, Mayfiled, Allen, or Jackson, I'm going to start rooting for another team because there is no excuse for not getting one of these guys when they have the 6th pick. Either take who is left at 6, or trade up since no one else can offer what the Jets have i.e the 6th pick, which would end up being either Barkley, Chubb, or Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, ScarletKnight89 said: I don't love him. But he's still a big upgrade over Wesley Johnson. An inanimate carbon rod would be an upgrade over Johnson. If i had the patience i would go back to last year at this time when some of us were calling for us to draft a center and the usual happy joy joy gang were telling us that Johnson was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Augustiniak said: let me tell you, if mccagnan trades up for rosen or mayfield and he's not playing by midseason and the team is 2-6 the pressure to play this qb will result in either the rookie playing or bowles losing his job at the end of the season and being replaced by an offensive minded hc who understands the importance of developing a young qb. bowles does not win this one. Exactly. Bowles has always said he plays the QB "that give him the best chance to win" What if the young guy is that? He's stuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Stark said: the "naming mccown" the starter at this point seems dumb to me. I don't see the benefit to doing so. People assumed that he was named the starter for the regular season. HE was named the starter entering training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Hopefully we get Jensen and move Long to guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Stark said: the "naming mccown" the starter at this point seems dumb to me. I don't see the benefit to doing so. Very possible he would've taken less money elsewhere or at least claimed he would and knew he what Macc over a barrel. That would've been the ultimate embarassment and sabotage the rest of FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Mike JonesVerified account @ByMikeJones 2m2 minutes ago More Jets plan on using Long as a center, the position the Nebraska product had started at the last two years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Stark said: the "naming mccown" the starter at this point seems dumb to me. I don't see the benefit to doing so. Me neither. It's kind of infuriating. Unless maybe it's some sort of misdirection to make other teams think we're not drafting a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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