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How real is Baker Mayfield to Jets? Separating smokescreen from fact

With the NFL draft a week away, we have either come upon the worst-kept secret in this year’s selection process, or the best smokescreen/agent propaganda we’ve seen in a while.

Baker Mayfield to the New York Jets isn’t just a media thing anymore. That draft marriage has started to leak into the thought process of other NFL teams’ front offices. To that point, Yahoo Sports asked four high-ranking personnel men to spitball the top five picks in the draft, either based on their knowledge of this year’s process or their knowledge of the front offices holding the picks. The four agreed on only one player/team combination in the top five: Mayfield and the Jets.

Given that it’s a full week before the draft and that the Jets are sitting at No. 3 – which is arguably far less obvious than a team sitting at No. 1 – the strong belief suggests one of three things is happening:

  • The Jets have an affinity for Mayfield and it has become a terribly kept secret.

  • The Jets favor only a pair of quarterbacks and are wary of the Cleveland Browns taking one of them first overall, then having another team (like, say, the Buffalo Bills) trading up to the New York Giants’ slot at No. 2 overall and taking the other.

  • Someone in Mayfield’s camp is pushing the Jets/Mayfield marriage in hopes of amplifying his market inside the top three picks.

Given what typically goes on in the final days before an NFL draft, it could be any one of those scenarios. Here is the rationale for each of the three schools of thought …

1. The Jets are locked on Mayfield and it has leaked

Beyond the obvious need, there are two factors that brought the four personnel men to the same Mayfield conclusion with the Jets. And they both dealt with system and personality.

First, Jets offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates runs a West Coast system that has no more perfect fit than Mayfield in this draft. Not only is it predicated on timing, accuracy and quick decisions – which are Mayfield’s most refined skills – but the Oklahoma quarterback has more than enough arm strength and mobility to fit the scheme.

Second, the Jets will need a quarterback who can suit Bates’ personality. Two of the four personnel men had some level of familiarity with Bates and said Mayfield has a similar brand of intensity and drive. Both said chemistry with his offensive coordinator will be vital for Mayfield, and each believes Bates can push and challenge Mayfield while still earning his respect. That will be extremely important on a Jets team that should still have some offensive growing pains ahead.

2. The Jets are putting out a smokescreen to protect their actual target

Misinformation is a part of the draft process. Rarely, if ever, does a team so obviously communicate in some form who it has become infatuated with, particularly when that player is a quarterback – and most especially when that quarterback could be taken ahead of its pick.

Typically, if you hear any player aside from the No. 1 overall pick is locked into a franchise, something is afoot – especially when that player is several slots down in a draft process that is often wildly unpredictable. More often than not, being certain a team covets a particular player or quarterback a full week before the draft begins is some form of misinformation.

Why would the Jets be putting out misinformation now? Start with the fact that New York traded up for the No. 3 pick far in advance of the draft – nearly six full weeks before the evaluation process had concluded. At the time, the speculated rationale was that the Jets must value at least three of the available quarterbacks, since they could potentially come off the board 1-2-3 and the team surely wouldn’t have traded to the third spot if it coveted only two quarterbacks.

But given that a month has passed since acquiring the No. 3 pick, it’s possible the Jets have figured out they value two of the available quarterbacks most. In turn, Mayfield may not be one of them, leaving a vulnerability that the Giants could trade out of the No. 2 spot and the top two quarterbacks on the Jets’ board could be selected ahead of them. Some more fuel to that potential trade-up scenario? Giants general manager Dave Gettleman worked with Buffalo Bills general manager Brandon Beane and Bills head coach Sean McDermott when all three men were with the Carolina Panthers. There is strong belief in the personnel community that Beane and McDermott have been given a directive that they must land the Bills’ next quarterback. If Buffalo has to move up to secure that franchise player, Gettleman holds a pick that would guarantee the Bills landed that QB. And nothing facilitates a draft trade more quickly than longtime familiarity or a previous working relationship.

Which delivers the finer point of the smokescreen: If the Jets have two quarterback targets and one of them isn’t Mayfield, the smartest move (aside to trading to the No. 2 spot) is to put out the message that Mayfield is their guy at No. 3. It could induce the Giants, who presumably aren’t taking a quarterback, to stand pat. Or if someone else (including the Bills) covets Mayfield, that team could trade to No. 2 and push down a player the Jets want.

3. Mayfield’s camp is floating the Jets connection

The most direct conduit to draft buzz surrounding a player is the information spread by agents. More so than even media members, agents are constantly talking to front offices and coaching staffs to get an accurate read on players in the draft. Often, the conversations between agents and teams can become a two-way street in which each side is trying to pry loose some valuable intelligence.

It’s possible Mayfield’s camp has floated the Jets’ interest to other NFL personnel. It’s also extremely possible Mayfield’s camp – which could include Oklahoma staffers, family, agents, business associates, a quarterback coach, or even Mayfield himself – has provided information to suggest the Jets are dialed in at No. 3. Part of the sales pitch involving any quarterback is creating the presumption of a strong market. In a draft like this, where the order of quarterback selection still seems fluid, the creation of a market or interest at the highest picks is more important than ever.

One group in which Mayfield has not been underrepresented? The media. He’s been the subject of a Sports Illustrated series and a nonstop staple of draft stories and mock draft speculation. There are few covering the NFL who haven’t had at least one Baker Mayfield conversation with any number of sources. Some of those conversations get written; respected draft analysts begin to slot players and trade information; and when the sifting ends up in print, the connection between Mayfield and the Jets begins to feed itself in a cyclical process.

When the draft kicks off next week, the curtain will ultimately be pulled back and Mayfield’s landing spot will become a matter of record. Instantly, rumors and speculation and informed analysis by personnel evaluators will be laid bare. It’s only then that we’ll know if the connection between Baker Mayfield and the Jets was real, imagined or one more engineered play in a never-ending game of draft poker.

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3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

First, Jets offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates runs a West Coast system that has no more perfect fit than Mayfield in this draft. Not only is it predicated on timing, accuracy and quick decisions – which are Mayfield’s most refined skills – but the Oklahoma quarterback has more than enough arm strength and mobility to fit the scheme.

Second, the Jets will need a quarterback who can suit Bates’ personality. Two of the four personnel men had some level of familiarity with Bates and said Mayfield has a similar brand of intensity and drive. Both said chemistry with his offensive coordinator will be vital for Mayfield, and each believes Bates can push and challenge Mayfield while still earning his respect. That will be extremely important on a Jets team that should still have some offensive growing pains ahead.

Yes let’s draft a hopeful 15 year franchise QB based on an offensive system that most likely will be bye bye in 2 years tops when Bowles is fired, you have to be drafting a QB who can play in ANY system, not just your current system.

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the Jets are leak proof from the inside but the agents and players are not as much.

Last time there was this much smoke it was rumored the Jets really liked Christian Hackenberg and then they took him 4 rds higher than anyone else thought he was worth. 

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the Jets are leak proof from the inside but the agents and players are not as much.

Last time there was this much smoke it was rumored the Jets really liked Christian Hackenberg and then they took him 4 rds higher than anyone else thought he was worth. 

So this is 2016 draft all over again taking a QB way higher then he is worth.

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21 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

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Second, the Jets will need a quarterback who can suit Bates’ personality. Two of the four personnel men had some level of familiarity with Bates and said Mayfield has a similar brand of intensity and drive. Both said chemistry with his offensive coordinator will be vital for Mayfield, and each believes Bates can push and challenge Mayfield while still earning his respect. That will be extremely important on a Jets team that should still have some offensive growing pains ahead.

It's funny that Lupz and I quoted the same portion, but for different reasons.  

I keep reading that part of Rosen's attitude problem is that he doesn't suffer fools lightly and is an intellectual.  Most of what I have read about Bates says that he is as smart as anyone and is great with the concepts.  His Continental Divide Trail hike seems like it was an intellectual pursuit.  He doesn't sound like the kind of rah-rah that would clash with Rosen or seem intellectually inferior.   

 

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34 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

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How real is Baker Mayfield to Jets? Separating smokescreen from fact

With the NFL draft a week away, we have either come upon the worst-kept secret in this year’s selection process, or the best smokescreen/agent propaganda we’ve seen in a while.

Baker Mayfield to the New York Jets isn’t just a media thing anymore. That draft marriage has started to leak into the thought process of other NFL teams’ front offices. To that point, Yahoo Sports asked four high-ranking personnel men to spitball the top five picks in the draft, either based on their knowledge of this year’s process or their knowledge of the front offices holding the picks. The four agreed on only one player/team combination in the top five: Mayfield and the Jets.

Given that it’s a full week before the draft and that the Jets are sitting at No. 3 – which is arguably far less obvious than a team sitting at No. 1 – the strong belief suggests one of three things is happening:

  • The Jets have an affinity for Mayfield and it has become a terribly kept secret.

  • The Jets favor only a pair of quarterbacks and are wary of the Cleveland Browns taking one of them first overall, then having another team (like, say, the Buffalo Bills) trading up to the New York Giants’ slot at No. 2 overall and taking the other.

  • Someone in Mayfield’s camp is pushing the Jets/Mayfield marriage in hopes of amplifying his market inside the top three picks.

Given what typically goes on in the final days before an NFL draft, it could be any one of those scenarios. Here is the rationale for each of the three schools of thought …

1. The Jets are locked on Mayfield and it has leaked

Beyond the obvious need, there are two factors that brought the four personnel men to the same Mayfield conclusion with the Jets. And they both dealt with system and personality.

First, Jets offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates runs a West Coast system that has no more perfect fit than Mayfield in this draft. Not only is it predicated on timing, accuracy and quick decisions – which are Mayfield’s most refined skills – but the Oklahoma quarterback has more than enough arm strength and mobility to fit the scheme.

Second, the Jets will need a quarterback who can suit Bates’ personality. Two of the four personnel men had some level of familiarity with Bates and said Mayfield has a similar brand of intensity and drive. Both said chemistry with his offensive coordinator will be vital for Mayfield, and each believes Bates can push and challenge Mayfield while still earning his respect. That will be extremely important on a Jets team that should still have some offensive growing pains ahead.

2. The Jets are putting out a smokescreen to protect their actual target

Misinformation is a part of the draft process. Rarely, if ever, does a team so obviously communicate in some form who it has become infatuated with, particularly when that player is a quarterback – and most especially when that quarterback could be taken ahead of its pick.

Typically, if you hear any player aside from the No. 1 overall pick is locked into a franchise, something is afoot – especially when that player is several slots down in a draft process that is often wildly unpredictable. More often than not, being certain a team covets a particular player or quarterback a full week before the draft begins is some form of misinformation.

Why would the Jets be putting out misinformation now? Start with the fact that New York traded up for the No. 3 pick far in advance of the draft – nearly six full weeks before the evaluation process had concluded. At the time, the speculated rationale was that the Jets must value at least three of the available quarterbacks, since they could potentially come off the board 1-2-3 and the team surely wouldn’t have traded to the third spot if it coveted only two quarterbacks.

But given that a month has passed since acquiring the No. 3 pick, it’s possible the Jets have figured out they value two of the available quarterbacks most. In turn, Mayfield may not be one of them, leaving a vulnerability that the Giants could trade out of the No. 2 spot and the top two quarterbacks on the Jets’ board could be selected ahead of them. Some more fuel to that potential trade-up scenario? Giants general manager Dave Gettleman worked with Buffalo Bills general manager Brandon Beane and Bills head coach Sean McDermott when all three men were with the Carolina Panthers. There is strong belief in the personnel community that Beane and McDermott have been given a directive that they must land the Bills’ next quarterback. If Buffalo has to move up to secure that franchise player, Gettleman holds a pick that would guarantee the Bills landed that QB. And nothing facilitates a draft trade more quickly than longtime familiarity or a previous working relationship.

Which delivers the finer point of the smokescreen: If the Jets have two quarterback targets and one of them isn’t Mayfield, the smartest move (aside to trading to the No. 2 spot) is to put out the message that Mayfield is their guy at No. 3. It could induce the Giants, who presumably aren’t taking a quarterback, to stand pat. Or if someone else (including the Bills) covets Mayfield, that team could trade to No. 2 and push down a player the Jets want.

3. Mayfield’s camp is floating the Jets connection

The most direct conduit to draft buzz surrounding a player is the information spread by agents. More so than even media members, agents are constantly talking to front offices and coaching staffs to get an accurate read on players in the draft. Often, the conversations between agents and teams can become a two-way street in which each side is trying to pry loose some valuable intelligence.

It’s possible Mayfield’s camp has floated the Jets’ interest to other NFL personnel. It’s also extremely possible Mayfield’s camp – which could include Oklahoma staffers, family, agents, business associates, a quarterback coach, or even Mayfield himself – has provided information to suggest the Jets are dialed in at No. 3. Part of the sales pitch involving any quarterback is creating the presumption of a strong market. In a draft like this, where the order of quarterback selection still seems fluid, the creation of a market or interest at the highest picks is more important than ever.

One group in which Mayfield has not been underrepresented? The media. He’s been the subject of a Sports Illustrated series and a nonstop staple of draft stories and mock draft speculation. There are few covering the NFL who haven’t had at least one Baker Mayfield conversation with any number of sources. Some of those conversations get written; respected draft analysts begin to slot players and trade information; and when the sifting ends up in print, the connection between Mayfield and the Jets begins to feed itself in a cyclical process.

When the draft kicks off next week, the curtain will ultimately be pulled back and Mayfield’s landing spot will become a matter of record. Instantly, rumors and speculation and informed analysis by personnel evaluators will be laid bare. It’s only then that we’ll know if the connection between Baker Mayfield and the Jets was real, imagined or one more engineered play in a never-ending game of draft poker.

The answer is #2.  This has always been a two QB draft with Darnold and Rosen.  The Jets pick 3rd and need one of those two to drop.

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2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

What is Christian Hackenburg worth?  He has not played any NFL games yet.

That's right!  We should trade him to Buffalo.  Macc needs to make the phone call, "Hey Buffalo, listen, we're willing to trade Christian Hackenberg, who is undefeated in the NFL by the way, to you for a 2nd rounder."

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Just a reminder that less than 3 months ago, after the college football season ended, these were most of the mock drafts in January and February....

 

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Then everyone started speculating, questioning Rosen's "love of football" and watching Josh Allen throw a football 95 yards to uncovered WRs while wearing shorts.....and everyone started going batsh!t crazy and moving players all over the board.  This is STILL the Darnold and Rosen draft in my opinion.

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no one f'in knows that isnt in war room.

why NFL best sport sleague in world. Intrigue all year round and they schedule crap like Free Agency, draft, schedule, minicamp, summer camp, season etc to be perfectly times to keep us pavlov fans getting a fix before we lose some interest. Perfect marketing, Perfect. Their only achilles heel could be medical w/concussions and parents pulling particpation in football at young age therby losing talent pool. As it is, best athletes go into basketball now. The smart ones cover their options and play both. Soccer really hurt by best athletes going to fbootall and bBall in High School (unless historic town/HS that dominates soccer in area and its a town pride thing)

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41 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Yes let’s draft a hopeful 15 year franchise QB based on an offensive system that most likely will be bye bye in 2 years tops when Bowles is fired, you have to be drafting a QB who can play in ANY system, not just your current system.

Which is why I want Rosen then Darnold

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20 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

So this is 2016 draft all over again taking a QB way higher then he is worth.

At least Mayfield IS a 1st round pick. If we take him a few picks higher it's no BFD. Like Bit said Hack was picked ROUNDS higher than where he should have been picked.

 

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At least Mayfield IS a 1st round pick. If we take him a few picks higher it's no BFD. Like Bit said Hack was picked ROUNDS higher than where he should have been picked.

 

When they are both busts it’s all relative.

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5 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

Who knows would hate to see him get cut and end up being decent somewhere else though.

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That is not going to happen but even thought i never liked him as  a player since since one the jets handled his development in an atrocious manner and Todd Bowles showed some of his true colours when he refused to give the guy even one series in meaningless games at the end of last year.

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11 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

That's right!  We should trade him to Buffalo.  Macc needs to make the phone call, "Hey Buffalo, listen, we're willing to trade Christian Hackenberg, who is undefeated in the NFL by the way, to you for a 2nd rounder."

You forgot the biggest selling point: 

He was raw when we first got him, but he's already had his redshirt year. Just to be sure he took it all in, we gave him a 2nd redshirt year (what we internally called a fuchsia-shirt year). 

So in 2018 he'll start for you (or at a minimum, will be eligible to advance even further to a mauve-shirt year before starting in 2019). 

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here's a scenario, they take Baker on Thursday night. Could Mark Andrews be the BAP TE at the 3rd round pick? Oklahoma back to back ?  

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK... lahoma 

where the wind comes sweepin down the plains

Love Andrews. Perfect for this offense. 

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3 minutes ago, redlichtie said:

Agree, every time I watch Mayfield I coma away thinking Andrews and 36(Dmitri Flowers) are the shizzle 

I have been picking Flowers it the late rounds of just about every mock I have done recently. Love his game. A really versatile and valuable guy to have on your team.

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1 hour ago, Thai Jet said:

At least Mayfield IS a 1st round pick. If we take him a few picks higher it's no BFD. Like Bit said Hack was picked ROUNDS higher than where he should have been picked.

 

It would be a monumentally BFD.  Mayfield will be there at 6.  Which means we would have given away two second rounders this year and one next year for...absolutely no reason whatsoever.

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1 hour ago, mrcoops said:

I have been picking Flowers it the late rounds of just about every mock I have done recently. Love his game. A really versatile and valuable guy to have on your team.

Him and Jaylen Samuels will make the fullback position sexy again...I think Samuels goes 2nd or 3rd round though

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Anyone who wanted PSU knew he wasn’t worth the pick. He sucked in college so there’s no reason to draft him that high. 
He was highly recruited out of high school and our new gm had strong connections to his former coach. The kid has shown is nothing I get it but he had a good ceiling with a high risk low floor...We took a swing and missed how many other teams hit on every second round pick?

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4 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

He was highly recruited out of high school and our new gm had strong connections to his former coach. The kid has shown is nothing I get it but he had a good ceiling with a high risk low floor...We took a swing and missed how many other teams hit on every second round pick?

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I agree to an extent...but how many teams miss on 2nd round picks like we do lol?

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1 hour ago, sirlancemehlot said:

It would be a monumentally BFD.  Mayfield will be there at 6.  Which means we would have given away two second rounders this year and one next year for...absolutely no reason whatsoever.

Repeating this over and over will not make it true.  He would not have been there at 6.

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If I was an NFL GM and heard the Jets we’re picking Mayfield......we’ll the Jets have pretty much been the kiss of death on QB picks since Joe Willie.:huh:

But in reality I think Teams will pick their winner based on the own opinions and research. 

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2 hours ago, sirlancemehlot said:

It would be a monumentally BFD.  Mayfield will be there at 6.  Which means we would have given away two second rounders this year and one next year for...absolutely no reason whatsoever.

You can't assume that he'd be there at 6 SLM . Try this possible scenario.... Clev. @1 is taking a QB, Giants trade with Buf taking a QB @2, Colts trade down and their partner takes a QB @3. Denver takes a QB  @ 5  and there goes your top 4 QB's. Maybe Mayfield's not even the target. Maybe they do want Rosen. We'll know in less than a week.

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1 hour ago, bealeb319 said:


 

 


Probably not many unfortunately still have hopes for maye. I want Devin Smith to break out I loved him in the draft but with his injuries my hopes are not very high any more

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Mine neither. I can see his arsch getting cut sometime in TC.

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