MichaelScott Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 ALLIANCE OF AMERICAN FOOTBALL AAF Allegedly Could Be Discontinued If NFLPA Doesn't Provide Young Players TIMOTHY RAPPMARCH 27, 2019 Wade Payne/Associated Press The Alliance of American Football's majority owner Tom Dundon said Wednesday that the league is in danger of shutting down if the NFL Players Association does not provide the league with young players. "If the players union is not going to give us young players, we can't be a development league," he said, per Kevin Allen and Mike Jones of USA Today. "We are looking at our options, one of which is discontinuing the league." This article will be updated to provide more information on this https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828148-aaf-allegedly-could-be-discontinued-if-nflpa-doesnt-provide-young-players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I hope they stay a float. It bridges that gap after the SB plus it gives fringe players who never really got a chance to show what they have (injuries ? etc.) a place to display their talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Wow. I thought the NFL (and the NFLPA) were behind this league as a "minor league"/feeder league. I recall hearing/reading that the main goal was QB and o-line development because of the differences in the college game on that side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: I hope they stay a float. It bridges that gap after the SB plus it gives fringe players who never really got a chance to show what they have (injuries ? etc.) a place to display their talents. I think they're just posturing for a little help which would be really beneficial to the league. Just being acknowledge by the NFL would be extremely helpful. I think the NFL is trying to ignore them but I hope they realize they need each other and that you are right. College is not going to train them anymore. We need somewhere for fringe players to learn NFL techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Unlike the old NFL v AFL days when leagues were small, there already aren’t enough competent QBs to populate one league. Any second league destined to fail for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Vince McMahon's league will almost certainly fail too... The only way these "minor league" systems can work is substantial investments by the top league franchises. IE: The other kind of futbol, hockey, and (my personal feeling is "yuck") baseball. They don't bring in enough money to survive on their own.... and they probably never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 NFLPA is in a tough spot because the presence of a minor league could affect the negotiations for the next CBA plus I don’t know if the AAF even has its own CBA yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, RoadFan said: Vince McMahon's league will almost certainly fail too... The only way these "minor league" systems can work is substantial investments by the top league franchises. IE: The other kind of futbol, hockey, and (yuck) baseball. They don't bring in enough money to survive on their own.... and they probably never will. No idea why McMahon is repeating one of the worst business decisions he ever made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said: Wow. I thought the NFL (and the NFLPA) were behind this league as a "minor league"/feeder league. I recall hearing/reading that the main goal was QB and o-line development because of the differences in the college game on that side of the ball. I don’t think the AAF has it’s own CBA as of yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Philc1 said: I don’t think the AAF has it’s own CBA as of yet The last station on the line of young mens’ lifelong dreams doesn’t need a CBA. Play or go work at a car wash—negotiations complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Philc1 said: I don’t think the AAF has it’s own CBA as of yet 6 minutes ago, jgb said: The last station on the line of young mens’ lifelong dreams doesn’t need a CBA. Play or go work at a car wash—negotiations complete. Good point but I'm not sure if the players in the AAF intend to unionize. NFLPA would view them like college players - future potential members Not sure if World League players had a union Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, jgb said: The last station on the line of young mens’ lifelong dreams doesn’t need a CBA. Play or go work at a car wash—negotiations complete. They can always go play in Europe. The pay sucks, but the food is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said: I think they're just posturing for a little help which would be really beneficial to the league. Just being acknowledge by the NFL would be extremely helpful. I think the NFL is trying to ignore them but I hope they realize they need each other and that you are right. College is not going to train them anymore. We need somewhere for fringe players to learn NFL techniques. Exactly right...I believe there has been some unofficial interaction between the NFL and the AAF but no actual investment. The AAF is actually a perfect place to be doing some of the testing that they are doing now in terms of rule changes, change of pace changes etc. Look how they are doing the no kickoffs, the automatic 2 point conversions, the access to the Sky Box Judge decisions and review of penalties. The AAF should get access to practice squad players and give them some kind of injury guarantee. The PS players would probably like the opportunity to show their skills in a game competition setting that the rest of the NFL teams can see, get into game shape before the NFL season and I'm sure they wouldn't turn down an extra $250k for a couple months of work either. In terms of play, the Offensive Line play the first couple weeks was (expectedly) awful but I think it's gotten better the last few games. There's also some QB's who are playing very well, including our very own Wolford who I'm sure will get a camp invite to some team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, jgb said: Unlike the old NFL v AFL days when leagues were small, there already aren’t enough competent QBs to populate one league. Any second league destined to fail for that reason. The difference here is the AAF wasn't designed to compete with the NFL like the AFL did. I believe it's intent was to be more of a transition league to bridge the NCAA to NFL jump and also allow fringe players to get more practice and game reps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, CTJetsFan said: The difference here is the AAF wasn't designed to compete with the NFL like the AFL did. I believe it's intent was to be more of a transition league to bridge the NCAA to NFL jump and also allow fringe players to get more practice and game reps Yep there cannot be a CBA under these circumstances these guys would probably play for free if it were legal in order to cling to a dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 36 minutes ago, MichaelScott said: The Alliance of American Football's majority owner Tom Dundon said Wednesday that the league is in danger of shutting down if the NFL Players Association does not provide the league with young players. "If the players union is not going to give us young players, we can't be a development league," he said, per Kevin Allen and Mike Jones of USA Today. "We are looking at our options, one of which is discontinuing the league. At least Big Macc is doing his part in drafting players for the AAF. The rest of the league needs to follow suit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 ALLIANCE OF AMERICAN FOOTBALL AAF Allegedly Could Be Discontinued If NFLPA Doesn't Provide Young Players TIMOTHY RAPPMARCH 27, 2019 Wade Payne/Associated Press The Alliance of American Football's majority owner Tom Dundon said Wednesday that the league is in danger of shutting down if the NFL Players Association does not provide the league with young players. "If the players union is not going to give us young players, we can't be a development league," he said, per Kevin Allen and Mike Jones of USA Today. "We are looking at our options, one of which is discontinuing the league." This article will be updated to provide more information on this https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828148-aaf-allegedly-could-be-discontinued-if-nflpa-doesnt-provide-young-players Jeesh!! Didn’t they think of this crap before the started the friggin league? Thats like opening an ice cream shop in anchorage AK and asking the state legislature to um... actually it’s nothing like that. But this is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, RoadFan said: Vince McMahon's league will almost certainly fail too... The only way these "minor league" systems can work is substantial investments by the top league franchises. IE: The other kind of futbol, hockey, and (my personal feeling is "yuck") baseball. They don't bring in enough money to survive on their own.... and they probably never will. I agree that the XFL will likely fail, but I think they have a better chance of succeeding only because I think it is hard to sell the public on teams that are nothing but a minor league feeder system for the NFL. The USFL did well, at least for a while, because they tried to compete with the NFL. If the XFL has enough money and can steal away better quality players and place teams in real markets (not salt lake city/birmingham) the interest could be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote AAF Allegedly Could Be Discontinued If NFLPA Doesn't Provide Young Players There are a lot of decent football players that don't get drafted and don't stick with teams as UDFAs. I would think that the pool of players who end up in NFL camps this summer and eventually get cut are perfect to feed the AAF with young players. Not sure why the NFLPA would want to prevent that from happening....or, are those players not even in the PA if they never land with a NFL team in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, JetFreak89 said: Exactly right...I believe there has been some unofficial interaction between the NFL and the AAF but no actual investment. The AAF is actually a perfect place to be doing some of the testing that they are doing now in terms of rule changes, change of pace changes etc. Look how they are doing the no kickoffs, the automatic 2 point conversions, the access to the Sky Box Judge decisions and review of penalties. The AAF should get access to practice squad players and give them some kind of injury guarantee. The PS players would probably like the opportunity to show their skills in a game competition setting that the rest of the NFL teams can see, get into game shape before the NFL season and I'm sure they wouldn't turn down an extra $250k for a couple months of work either. In terms of play, the Offensive Line play the first couple weeks was (expectedly) awful but I think it's gotten better the last few games. There's also some QB's who are playing very well, including our very own Wolford who I'm sure will get a camp invite to some team. Definitely expected when you threw new guys together in a new system with limited practice. Heck, NFL teams with 6 weeks of camp + OTAs and guys who played together still suck. I think (I could be wrong) that AAF rules even limit the # of players that can rush a passer on any play (I think it's 5). That's an acknowledgment of the need to develop offensive linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 They needed to have a better TV deal. That is what gave the AFL footing. Think of the amount of money being made just on draft and football rumors sites. Hell, think of the traffic here. They should have been innovative and #1 had enough money from a TV deal to keep them afloat, or some kind of streaming with ad revenue that would get the job done. #2 set up the fantasy game to get people invested early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: I agree that the XFL will likely fail, but I think they have a better chance of succeeding only because I think it is hard to sell the public on teams that are nothing but a minor league feeder system for the NFL. The USFL did well, at least for a while, because they tried to compete with the NFL. If the XFL has enough money and can steal away better quality players and place teams in real markets (not salt lake city/birmingham) the interest could be there. You're right. There is a difference. I said "almost certainly" will fail leaving a sliver open that it could create a market for itself. The largest problem is there are only 5-8 great QBs playing at any one time in the NFL. There are another 6-10 that are somewhere between good and serviceable. And then there is the collection of unknowns to backup caliber. These other leagues have to find the money to draw the top-end QBs or they have nothing. Nobody is going to pay to watch, or broadcast, games between Sean Mannion and Mike Glennon (cue the jokes now). And those are the higher end options for the XFL. The novelty will wear off quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It really would be a shame if this league folded. They've had some really good games the last few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, RoadFan said: You're right. There is a difference. I said "almost certainly" will fail leaving a sliver open that it could create a market for itself. The largest problem is there are only 5-8 great QBs playing at any one time in the NFL. There are another 6-10 that are somewhere between good and serviceable. And then there is the collection of unknowns to backup caliber. These other leagues have to find the money to draw the top-end QBs or they have nothing. Nobody is going to pay to watch, or broadcast, games between Sean Mannion and Mike Glennon (cue the jokes now). And those are the higher end options for the XFL. The novelty will wear off quickly... Depends on your expectations of what you are watching. I watch to see who might have a chance to make the NFL and look for a competitive game. Sort of the same reason I watch college games. Except with AAF I don't expect to see stars dominating or major strength of team imbalances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, RoadFan said: You're right. There is a difference. I said "almost certainly" will fail leaving a sliver open that it could create a market for itself. The largest problem is there are only 5-8 great QBs playing at any one time in the NFL. There are another 6-10 that are somewhere between good and serviceable. And then there is the collection of unknowns to backup caliber. These other leagues have to find the money to draw the top-end QBs or they have nothing. Nobody is going to pay to watch, or broadcast, games between Sean Mannion and Mike Glennon (cue the jokes now). And those are the higher end options for the XFL. The novelty will wear off quickly... You overestimate the knowledge of the American public. If the 1 pm game is Mannion vs. Glennon and the 4 pm game is Tebow vs. Kaepernick, half of NFL viewers will believe that those guys are as good as anything the NFL trots out there if they were only give a fair chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, JetFreak89 said: In terms of play, the Offensive Line play the first couple weeks was (expectedly) awful but I think it's gotten better the last few games. There's also some QB's who are playing very well, including our very own Wolford who I'm sure will get a camp invite to some team. All very true. Things have slowed down for a lot of players the last few weeks, and the quality of the games has gone up considerably. As for Wolford, overall he's played well, but his physical limitations (as they'd apply to the NFL) are pretty noticeable. The QBs who I think would have a shot of making it in the NFL are the guys from San Antonio, Salt Lake, and Birmingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, CTJetsFan said: Wow. I thought the NFL (and the NFLPA) were behind this league as a "minor league"/feeder league. I recall hearing/reading that the main goal was QB and o-line development because of the differences in the college game on that side of the ball. The NFLPA leadership is shortsighted and foolish. DeMaurice Smith is the worst thing to happen to football in a long time. His brilliant strategy to negotiate the CBA solely on "money" and then sue the NFL for other things failed miserably. He'll kill what is a golden goose for a lot of the players who end up out of the league early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 The NFL is almost unwatchable. I don't need to watch a league with unwatchable players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rex-n-effect Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 The NFL is not going to be cool with these minor leagues using their pro teams as a scouting unit for players to go play in the AAF or XFL. The NFLPA is not going to force its players to go into lower paying contracts to play in a minor league during the offseason and risk injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 53 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: You overestimate the knowledge of the American public. If the 1 pm game is Mannion vs. Glennon and the 4 pm game is Tebow vs. Kaepernick, half of NFL viewers will believe that those guys are as good as anything the NFL trots out there if they were only give a fair chance. Good point. Ain't that the truth... I have been to some Jet games in Miami. I have been to some Bucs games. My brother is a season ticket holder for the Florida Gators. Talk about collections of dumb fans... scary. 54 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said: Depends on your expectations of what you are watching. I watch to see who might have a chance to make the NFL and look for a competitive game. Sort of the same reason I watch college games. Except with AAF I don't expect to see stars dominating or major strength of team imbalances. I admire your commitment to the sport. I can't quite do the same. Although I enjoy scouting college film to see if I could draft better than the guys employed by NFL franchises, and especially for my dynasty fantasy league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, RoadFan said: Good point. Ain't that the truth... I have been to some Jet games in Miami. I have been to some Bucs games. My brother is a season ticket holder for the Florida Gators. Talk about collections of dumb fans... scary. I admire your commitment to the sport. I can't quite do the same. Although I enjoy scouting college film to see if I could draft better than the guys employed by NFL franchises, and especially for my dynasty fantasy league. Trust me, I don't go out of my way to watch a game, but if I'm home and there's no other games on that I'm interested in, I'll turn it on. I also set my DVR to record 1 now and then just to check it out. I thought I heard before they started that they were also going to be doing some new stuff with fantasy like realtime updates and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said: The NFL is not going to be cool with these minor leagues using their pro teams as a scouting unit for players to go play in the AAF or XFL. The NFLPA is not going to force its players to go into lower paying contracts to play in a minor league during the offseason and risk injury. What the NFLPA is going to force these players to do is go work at Walmart if they pass up an opportunity to improve. From my observations, the NFLPA isn't interested in the young players at all. Most of what the NFLPA got out of the last CBA is the young players can't even talk to their position coaches in the off season so they can improve and challenge the vet for a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, flgreen said: What the NFLPA is going to force these players to do is go work at Walmart if they pass up an opportunity to improve. From my observations, the NFLPA isn't interested in the young players at all. Most of what the NFLPA got out of the last CBA is the young players can't even talk to their position coaches in the off season so they can improve and challenge the vet for a job Not the NFLPA's job to help players challenge each other for jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, sourceworx said: It really would be a shame if this league folded. They've had some really good games the last few weeks. I would be really disappointed. Its nice having good football after the SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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