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The Jets are one of four NFL teams that will carry an overseas player as an 11th practice squad player in 2019 as part of an expansion of the International Player Pathway program.

The Jets' overseas player is Valentine Holmes, 23, a former professional from Australia's National Rugby League. Holmes (6'1", 200), listed as a running back/wide receiver/kick returner, was notified he will be joining the Green & White when he received a call from general manager Mike Maccagnan this evening.

Holmes signed his first rugby contract with the Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks at 17 and made his professional debut with the club as a winger and fullback at 19. He represented Australia in the 2017 Rugby World Cup, scoring five tries (touchdowns) in the quarterfinals and then six tries in the semis.

Holmes will start out with a couple of Jets connections. For the past three months, he's been training alongside NFL players and draft hopefuls in Florida under the supervision of the NFL’s Will Bryce along with IMG Academy coaches that include former Jets RB/KR Leon Washington and former Jets LBs coach Jim Herrmann.

And Holmes will be added to the offseason roster that includes a fellow Aussie, fourth-year punter Lachlan Edwards. Other international players who've recently made it to the Jets' regular-season roster include Australian punter Ben Graham from 2005-08 and TE Hayden Smith, an English professional rugby union player, in 2012.

All four teams participating in this year's program are from the AFC East, which was chosen to receive these players in a random draw. The International Player Pathway Program was instituted in 2017 and aims to provide international athletes the opportunity to compete at the NFL level, improve their skills, and ultimately earn a spot on an NFL roster.

The four AFC East teams will carry these overseas players on their rosters through the end of training camp. At that time, the players will be eligible for an international player practice squad exemption, granting the teams an 11th practice-squad member who will be ineligible to be activated during the 2019 season.

The three other international players in this year's program are former England national rugby player Christian Wade, who will play with the Bills; Durval Neto, who played DT for four seasons of American football in Brazil and will join the Dolphins; and Jakob Johnson, a former University of Tennessee TE and German Football League player who will become a Patriot.

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I’m not sure why he’d leave rugby at the top of his game to be a nobody in the NFL but he’s a good rugger.
 
That guy had more hi-lights than the entire Jets team from the last decade.

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57 minutes ago, nyjbuddy said:

Was just reading about this guy this morning (random coincidence).

https://joluu.com/australia/nfl-news-valentine-holmes-pro-day-results-international-player-path-program/

40: 4.45

bench: 20

3-cone: 6.7 or 6.8

broad: 9'10"

vert: 35.5

I mean, if those numbers are accurate at 6’1, 200 lbs, that’s a third round athlete. I wonder why they waste these rugby guys on offense, though. You’d think the conversion to safety or LB would be easier for them and they’d find more reps for them in practices. It’s impossible to learn the receiver position on the fly because it ****s with the QB when you run a bad pattern. 

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29 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I mean, if those numbers are accurate at 6’1, 200 lbs, that’s a third round athlete. I wonder why they waste these rugby guys on offense, though. You’d think the conversion to safety or LB would be easier for them and they’d find more reps for them in practices. It’s impossible to learn the receiver position on the fly because it ****s with the QB when you run a bad pattern. 

It does list RB and KR the 2 easiest positions to learn in the NFL.

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11 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

It does list RB and KR the 2 easiest positions to learn in the NFL.

Yeah, but I don’t think you really learn how to be a running back. That’s like one of those things you’re born with, which is why dudes that run 4.65/40s can be Hall of Famers at it and elite athletes usually suck at it. 

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Yeah, but I don’t think you really learn how to be a running back. That’s like one of those things you’re born with, which is why dudes that run 4.65/40s can be Hall of Famers at it and elite athletes usually suck at it. 

Agree it takes a special kind of stupid (see Smith, Emmitt) to play RB in the NFL, but I also think that same trait applies to Star Rugby players so.

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47 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I mean, if those numbers are accurate at 6’1, 200 lbs, that’s a third round athlete. I wonder why they waste these rugby guys on offense, though. You’d think the conversion to safety or LB would be easier for them and they’d find more reps for them in practices. It’s impossible to learn the receiver position on the fly because it ****s with the QB when you run a bad pattern. 

Dealing with blocking and pass coverage is completely foreign to rugby. Running with the ball would be an easiest transition. It’s easier to follow your blockers then trying to avoid them. Special teams would be easy again minus the blocking. He should be able to bulk up a little as well since he’s not playing two nonstop 40 minute halves.

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58 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Yeah, but I don’t think you really learn how to be a running back. That’s like one of those things you’re born with, which is why dudes that run 4.65/40s can be Hall of Famers at it and elite athletes usually suck at it. 

Take a look at his highlight reel. He def has natural talent as a RB. He makes a lot of dudes miss and has some really sudden moves.

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I mean, if those numbers are accurate at 6’1, 200 lbs, that’s a third round athlete. I wonder why they waste these rugby guys on offense, though. You’d think the conversion to safety or LB would be easier for them and they’d find more reps for them in practices. It’s impossible to learn the receiver position on the fly because it ****s with the QB when you run a bad pattern. 

FWIW....Comparing Le'Veon Bell's combine results:

40: 4.45    4.60

bench: 20     24

3-cone: 6.7 or 6.8     6.75

broad: 9'10"     9'10"

vert: 35.5     31.5

He's faster but not as big (Le'Veon's same height but 30 lbs more).  He's slightly faster that Andre Roberts, so maybe he could contribute on Special Teams and as 3rd down/change of pace back.

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4 hours ago, New York Mick said:

 

I’m not sure why he’d leave rugby at the top of his game to be a nobody in the NFL but he’s a good rugger.

 

Because rugby doesn't draw a crowd in Australia. It's basically only played in two states (NSW and Queensland, although my home state has a team - the Melbourne Storm - it's very much the poor second cousin to AFL here in Victoria). The typical attendance at a match ranges from 11,175 people (average crowd for the Parramatta Eels) to 31,234 (average crowd for the Brisbane Broncos).

The highest paid athletes in AFL and NRL get on average $1.0-$1.5 million Australian a year to play. So even if you're a fringe player on a NFL roster, you're going to get about the same salary as the highest paid athletes in your domestic competitions.

Holmes was being paid $5 million with the Sharks over five years, so he was going to be paid $1 million (Australian) a year.

I hope he's better than the last Australian rugby convert to NFL, but so long as he doesn't fumble his first touch, that'll be assured.

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I'm not sure how it worked, but apparently the NFL allocated Holmes to the Jets, and allocated rugby union player English player Christian Wade to the Bills, Brazilian judo champion Durval Neto to the Dolphins and German tight end Jakob Johnson to the Patriots.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/apr/09/valentine-holmes-nfl-dream-alive-after-being-picked-up-by-new-york-jets

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Suggestion in the Australian media that Holmes may not stick around very long if he doesn't get onto the active roster because he has a $1 million per-season deal with the North Queensland Cowboys to play rugby league this season.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/nfl/is-valentine-holmes-heading-to-the-new-york-jets/news-story/d51e81c81937af5cc66c18dba84873d6

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5 hours ago, Nixhead said:
Practice squad my ASS! This guy will be leaving McGuire in the dust. I expect him to be our starting kick returner, maybe starting punt returner and yes #1 back up running back. Pencil him In!

These guys aren't eligible to make the roster - only the practice squad.

EDIT - Actually, it looks like I misread the original article about this. They can earn roster spots / practice squad spots like all other players, but can't be activated from the PS during the season.

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The International Player Pathway Program, started in 2017, allows athletes from outside the United States a route to making the NFL they might not enjoy otherwise. Teams assigned international players are allowed an exemption on their 90-man rosters through training camp and are afforded an additional practice squad spot during the season -- such players are ineligible from being activated from the practice squad during the season.


 


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12 minutes ago, jamesr said:

These guys aren't eligible to make the roster - only the practice squad.

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The one good thing is that if the Jets are really interested in making sure they'll be able to keep him on the practice squad they can bump his pay so he doesn't return to Australia. I have to assume that if he's giving this a shot then if he makes the practice squad he'd be willing to give it a shot and stick it out. 

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10 hours ago, Aussie Jet said:

Because rugby doesn't draw a crowd in Australia. It's basically only played in two states (NSW and Queensland, although my home state has a team - the Melbourne Storm - it's very much the poor second cousin to AFL here in Victoria). The typical attendance at a match ranges from 11,175 people (average crowd for the Parramatta Eels) to 31,234 (average crowd for the Brisbane Broncos).

The highest paid athletes in AFL and NRL get on average $1.0-$1.5 million Australian a year to play. So even if you're a fringe player on a NFL roster, you're going to get about the same salary as the highest paid athletes in your domestic competitions.

Holmes was being paid $5 million with the Sharks over five years, so he was going to be paid $1 million (Australian) a year.

I hope he's better than the last Australian rugby convert to NFL, but so long as he doesn't fumble his first touch, that'll be assured.

Important to note that this wank stain follows Aerial ping pong, a game where grown men run around fumbling the ball in shorts 5 times too small 

the two states that Rugby League is prevalent are two of the three most populated

rugby league produces three of the highest rating most important sporting events nationally, it’s also played on an international level, something that this turd & you lot wouldn’t understand given the insular nature of American football & AFL

anyway ****ers, just thought I’d clear that up, I don’t even like your game, it’s crap

cyas ??

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1 hour ago, Aussie Jet said:

Suggestion in the Australian media that Holmes may not stick around very long if he doesn't get onto the active roster because he has a $1 million per-season deal with the North Queensland Cowboys to play rugby league this season.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/nfl/is-valentine-holmes-heading-to-the-new-york-jets/news-story/d51e81c81937af5cc66c18dba84873d6

 

No he doesn’t you eejit, he has no contract, he’s uncontracted ??

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1 hour ago, Jet9 said:

That was going to be my next question. So if you're him, why do it?

Actually, it looks like I misread the original article about this. They can earn roster spots / practice squad spots like all other players.

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