WayneChrebet80 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Only posting it because he’s pretty credible as NFL networks replacement for Mayock. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001026563/article/daniel-jeremiah-2019-nfl-mock-draft-30-drew-lock-to-packers%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%253Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%253Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%253Dpath-to-the-draft&p.ct=Path%2bto%2bthe%2bDraft&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%2523000&p.bgc1m=%2523EAEAEA&sr=amp Imagine Rodgers reaction if the Packers took Lock in round 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 This will change twice before the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 BONER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Ed Oliver seems to have a combination of elite athleticism, physique and intensity that should make him a success in the NFL. Ignoring position, more so than Allen or Quinnen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneChrebet80 Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, varjet said: Ed Oliver seems to have a combination of elite athleticism, physique and intensity that should make him a success in the NFL. Ignoring position, more so than Allen or Quinnen. Oliver is a ridiculous athlete, but where is the pass rush production? Same with Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, WayneChrebet80 said: Oliver is a ridiculous athlete, but where is the pass rush production? Same with Gary. Oliver was played in the interior most of his college days & was extremely productive... he'll be a force anywhere on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, varjet said: Ed Oliver seems to have a combination of elite athleticism, physique and intensity that should make him a success in the NFL. Ignoring position, more so than Allen or Quinnen. I agree. He's more versatile also. That might be the difference maker there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, genot said: I agree. He's more versatile also. That might be the difference maker there. I honestly believe that given the players in this draft and Gregg Williams' history, there is some level of moronic-ness going on behind the decision to stick with the 3-4 defense. The biggest issue with switching to a 4-3 at this point would be signing Henry Anderson, and I think that is something that can be worked with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Williams is the safer pick and Mac will go that route again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, WayneChrebet80 said: Oliver is a ridiculous athlete, but where is the pass rush production? Same with Gary. That's a good point. He did have a ton of tackles for losses in college, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Listened to a interview on the NFL network with him. He's a very well spoken young man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, varjet said: I honestly believe that given the players in this draft and Gregg Williams' history, there is some level of moronic-ness going on behind the decision to stick with the 3-4 defense. The biggest issue with switching to a 4-3 at this point would be signing Henry Anderson, and I think that is something that can be worked with. I agree. Even if we draft Oliver though, we're still a lineman short. In an ideal world. That is if we're in a 4-3. I think Barr really screwed us. He could have played end in a 4-3, and rush linebacker in a 3-4. They wanted that versatility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, prime21 said: Williams is the safer pick and Mac will go that route again. I can understand why you feel that way. I think with a new and skilled coaching staff, his approach will change some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UnitedWhofans Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, genot said: I can understand why you feel that way. I think with a new and skilled coaching staff, his approach will change some. What I do like is that it seems all possibilities except for Bosa are open (and given what has been found out about Bosa, I don't think that was going to happen anyway). They've had Allen, Williams and Oliver there as well as other lower 1st round prospects in case they trade down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, genot said: I agree. Even if we draft Oliver though, we're still a lineman short. In an ideal world. That is if we're in a 4-3. I think Barr really screwed us. He could have played end in a 4-3, and rush linebacker in a 3-4. They wanted that versatility. I think they can run a DL of Anderson, Oliver/Quinnen, Leo and Copeland/Jenkins/Draft pick/someone picked up and let Avery, Mosley and Lee play LB. The defense will struggle a bit without a pure pass-rushing EDGE, but get it next year and continue to build the team for the future. By staying in the 3-4, we have boxed ourselves into taking Josh Allen, which could work out ok, but not of Oliver or Quinnen or even Bosa turn out to be stars. What about if Bosa is there? How about Anderson, Foley/Shepherd/McClendon, Leo and Bosa? Let Jenkins and Copeland figure out 4-3 SLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, prime21 said: Williams is the safer pick and Mac will go that route again. One hit "wonders" are never the safer pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: What I do like is that it seems all possibilities except for Bosa are open (and given what has been found out about Bosa, I don't think that was going to happen anyway). They've had Allen, Williams and Oliver there as well as other lower 1st round prospects in case they trade down Im sure they've all worked together, and tirelessly on a game plan. I'm not kissing up, but with a solid Fa class coming in, and Sam Darnold, they know how close they are to being serious contenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, varjet said: I think they can run a DL of Anderson, Oliver/Quinnen, Leo and Copeland/Jenkins/Draft pick/someone picked up and let Avery, Mosley and Lee play LB. The defense will struggle a bit without a pure pass-rushing EDGE, but get it next year and continue to build the team for the future. By staying in the 3-4, we have boxed ourselves into taking Josh Allen, which could work out ok, but not of Oliver or Quinnen or even Bosa turn out to be stars. What about if Bosa is there? How about Anderson, Foley/Shepherd/McClendon, Leo and Bosa? Let Jenkins and Copeland figure out 4-3 SLB. It's a very challenging draft. That is figuring out who will fit best with what we have, and what we're going to run on D. I've changed my mind more this year, than any other year combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, genot said: I agree. Even if we draft Oliver though, we're still a lineman short. In an ideal world. That is if we're in a 4-3. I think Barr really screwed us. He could have played end in a 4-3, and rush linebacker in a 3-4. They wanted that versatility. If Barr didn't want to play here, though, we're probably better off without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 He’s getting clicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said: If Barr didn't want to play here, though, we're probably better off without him. I agree with that. He can kiss my a.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 After a trade down, I wouldn’t hate it. But still wouldn’t be my primary target trading down either. At 3....I’d be pretty pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, WayneChrebet80 said: Only posting it because he’s pretty credible as NFL networks replacement for Mayock. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001026563/article/daniel-jeremiah-2019-nfl-mock-draft-30-drew-lock-to-packers%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%253Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%253Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%253Dpath-to-the-draft&p.ct=Path%2bto%2bthe%2bDraft&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%2523000&p.bgc1m=%2523EAEAEA&sr=amp Imagine Rodgers reaction if the Packers took Lock in round 1 Well, he lost credibility picking Ed Oliver with guys like Williams and Allen still on the board. If it went down that way, I would personally escort Mac out of the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Stupid mock. And if the jets take another dline, they equally as dumb. I can somewhat understand Q if the board falls that way but Oliver would be a disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 We already have a $14 million guy on defense who only gets hurries and not sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Sorry to tell you this Tom Shane but apparently I've won the heart of Helen of Troy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: Well, he lost credibility picking Ed Oliver with guys like Williams and Allen still on the board. If it went down that way, I would personally escort Mac out of the building. Talk about a win-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, choon328 said: We already have a $14 million guy on defense who only gets hurries and not sacks. What does that have to do with Oliver? If you're talking about Quinnen Williams I'd agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Just now, RobR said: What does that have to do with Oliver? If you're talking about Quinnen Williams I'd agree. 3 sacks total last year, two of them against East Carolina, 1 against Navy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Just now, choon328 said: 3 sacks total last year, two of them against East Carolina, 1 against Navy I love posters that just look at stats and don't understand the context in which they are generated or can't project what type of player they will be at the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I don’t think it’s crazy at all...only in the fact if the Jets took Oliver it would appear they know what they’re doing. Also worthy to note, Jeremiah has actually been the most accurate in terms of guessing player to team than any of these other dudes over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Even though I don’t think you’d be maximizing his skillset playing him primarily as a 3-4 DE, I still wouldn’t have a problem with it provided that Bosa is already gone. Oliver is certainly just as deserving of going Top 3 as Quinnen Williams or Josh Allen. And an Oliver/Leo combo in the middle of those 4 down lineman looks could cause major problems for opposing QB’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Even though I don’t think you’d be maximizing his skillset playing him primarily as a 3-4 DE, He's not going to be playing 5 tech as a DE in a 3-4 at the next level. The good news is you can play him almost everywhere else and he's going to make an impact. He's the ultimate chess piece that a good DC will play all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Sorry to tell you this Tom Shane but apparently I've won the heart of Helen of Troy. @HelenOfTroy is a flaming homer and it would never work between us. I only date hot pragmatists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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