Who Was The Worst Jets GM In The Post-Kotite Era?

[Beerfish]

5 hours ago, Wonderboy said:

Right. It wasnt bad. It was terrible. Not going to revisit the horror of Geno. His career tells you all you need to know. 

Geno Smith career stats: 6,182 yards,  57.7 comp %, 29 tds, 36 ints

Christian hackenburgs career stats: 0, 0, 0, 0

Hack was so bad he lasted about 1 1/2 games in the dog shi* league that folded last year.

Since this is the Idzik vs Mac thread even Idziks worst fails were light years better than McDumbass

[RobR]

17 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Indeed.  That said, the stockpile of picks were all backloaded.  He had 1 pick in each of the first three rounds.  Half of those 12 were in rounds 5+.  There were 4 6th rounders.  Once we reached our pick in the 4th, there were only two pro bowl players selected in the whole draft.  The Idzik 12 is completely overblown and with hindsight, you wouldn't do better than most of Macc's drafts with hindsight, unless you want to start making imaginary trades.

You could also add in that four of those picks were compensatory picks, with one in the 4th and 3 in the 6th which at the time were not able to be traded unlike today. 

[T0mShane]

3 hours ago, Mogglez said:

That's a weird way to spell Brandin Cooks. And Devante Adams. And Allen Robinson. And Dee Ford. And Ju'Wuan James.

You edited this to add in Ju’Wuan James, who also didn’t make it to a second contract with the team that drafted him AND is now a malcontent Bronco whom John Elway is currently considering murdering? Can we discuss your understanding of what constitutes an historically “loaded” draft?

[Mogglez]

58 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You edited this to add in Ju’Wuan James, who also didn’t make it to a second contract with the team that drafted him AND is now a malcontent Bronco whom John Elway is currently considering murdering? Can we discuss your understanding of what constitutes an historically “loaded” draft?

Other GMs being stupid and not giving good players second contracts doesn't make them bad picks. Your retort on Devante Adams is laughable, at best, considering that he, y'know, isn't a bust and is arguably a top 3 Wide Receiver in league right now.

As for Ju'Wuan James?  He's a good player that we could really use right about now.

Your Idzik hill is beyond strange.  He sucked in every single way imagineable.  His claim to fame is convincing Eric Decker and his reality TV star wife that coming to New York for a good chunk of change would be a good idea.  Oh, and he was absolutely despised by everyone in the organization, including his own scouts because he was insufferable paranoid douche who tanked an entire off-season because he didn't like that Rex took his sh*tty roster with his sh*tty hand picked QB  to an 8-8 record.

[BroadwayRay]

To me, the reason Macc wins is because of the wasted opportunities, the blatantly bad decisions that any dope could see the moment they were made (Hackenberg!) and the fact that he caused damage over five years. It's like when you have mold growing in the walls of your house and it lingers. At least Idzik was seen for what he was after two years and he was eradicated.

You could argue that Bradway was the worst because he stuck around way longer -- like a curse that needed to be exorcised. But that was long enough ago that the pain isn't as fresh as with Macc, so Macc wins. Also, with Macc, it could have even been worse if Cousins had signed that contract a couple of years ago and/or the Bears accepted his offer of two first-rounds picks for Mack.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Mogglez said:

Other GMs being stupid and not giving good players second contracts doesn't make them bad picks. Your retort on Devante Adams is laughable, at best, considering that he, y'know, isn't a bust and is arguably a top 3 Wide Receiver in league right now.

As for Ju'Wuan James?  He's a good player that we could really use right about now.

Your Idzik hill is beyond strange.  He sucked in every single way imagineable.  His claim to fame is convincing Eric Decker and his reality TV star wife that coming to New York for a good chunk of change would be a good idea.  Oh, and he was absolutely despised by everyone in the organization, including his own scouts because he was insufferable paranoid douche.

 Considering that the building was infested with Rex Ryan hangers-on and Mike Tannenbaum holdovers, I’m not surprised that they disliked Idzik. It’s one thing to say that Idzik was a bad GM and that Idzik shouldn’t have been hired in the first place, but that doesn’t really tell the whole story. He inherited a garbage fire, cleaned it up, effectively got rid of an overly empowered Rex Ryan, and left behind $80 mil in cap space for Maccagnan to nuke. In two offseasons. That’s how you begin a rebuild, but he got fired before getting to the “building” part, where he would have had the chance to replace the coach and the scouting department, but he did the dirty work that was necessary to move the franchise forward. Maccagnan has none of these excuses and still left the roster a barren talent sh*thole that will take multiple offseasons to restock. As for the Idzik “12,” here’s the list of names comprised of the three players drafted immediately after the Jets’ draft slot. This was not a “loaded” draft class. It was a meh draft class with a bunch of meh players, as evidenced by the guys Idzik supposedly passed on. He didn’t leave Odell Beckham on the board, he left Brandin Cooks on the board, who is now on his third team in six years. JuWuan James loafed his way out of Miami and is currently pulling an Osemele in Denver. The best player that he immediately passed on is Gabe Jackson, and he whiffed on Allen Robinson, which sucked. But that’s really it from that class. Again, to compare him with Maccagnan, he missed on a pack of MVP candidates in Mahomes, McCaffrey, Watson, and Lamar Jackson, so what’s worse? Missing on Brandin Cooks or missing on Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson in order to overdraft a safety that doesn’t make plays on the football? Anyway, here’s the list of players Idzik “missed” from that allegedly loaded draft. 

 JuWuan James

Brandin Cooks

Ha Ha Clinton Dix

Jeremiah Attaochu

Ego Ferguson

Troy Niklas 

Gabe Jackson

Will Sutton

Louis Nix

Bryan Stork

Bruce Ellington

Justin Ellis

Keith McGill

Ka’Deem Carey

Martavis Bryant 

Arthur Lynch

Lamin Barrow

Shaquille Richardson

Walt Powell

Demetri Goodson 

Zach Moore

Terrence Feede

Etc

 

 

 

[Wonderboy]

2 hours ago, TeddEY said:

Yeah, that’s the reason... Despite Macc drafting a significantly worse QB in the 2nd round and still getting 3 more years.

There’s 0 evidence to support your position.

Let me be perfectly clear. I’m not defending either of these horrible GM’s or taking a stance on whether one was worse than the other. I really could care less what this fan base thinks who screwed this organization more. Both these guys made terrible, amateurish, back breaking decisions in their tenures. But I’ll say -you’re right - to end this futile argument since I don’t argue with anyone who insists on being right when I’m not even arguing. ??‍♂️

[CTM]

They are all terrible but only 1 cost us all time top 5 QB and top 5 HC

Seriously, if not for Parcells giant ego the aughties couldve been Manning / Belichick instead of Pennington / Edward's 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, CTM said:

They are all terrible but only 1 cost us all time top 5 QB and top 5 HC

Seriously, if not for Parcells giant ego the aughties couldve been Manning / Belichick instead of Pennington / Edward's 

Woody Johnson cost us both Parcells and Belichick and Archie cost us Peyton Manning. EAD, you turd 

[Wonderboy]

1 hour ago, BroadwayRay said:

To me, the reason Macc wins is because of the wasted opportunities, the blatantly bad decisions that any dope could see the moment they were made (Hackenberg!) and the fact that he caused damage over five years. It's like when you have mold growing in the walls of your house and it lingers. At least Idzik was seen for what he was after two years and he was eradicated.

You could argue that Bradway was the worst because he stuck around way longer -- like a curse that needed to be exorcised. But that was long enough ago that the pain isn't as fresh as with Macc, so Macc wins. Also, with Macc, it could have even been worse if Cousins had signed that contract a couple of years ago and/or the Bears accepted his offer of two first-rounds picks for Mack.

Bradway was like Dracula. He just sucked the blood out of this organization.

[CTM]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

90% of Idzik hate is based upon people’s inability to accept that Rex was terrible

Nah, Idzik was terrible in his own right. Rex's lack of discipline made his flash of success unsustainable

Wth is it with you and idzik? 90% lol

[CTM]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Woody Johnson cost us both Parcells and Belichick and Archie cost us Peyton Manning. EAD, you turd 

I mean that's 1 version of what happenned.

The idiot Parcells fan boy version, but a version 

[Mogglez]

29 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 Considering that the building was infested with Rex Ryan hangers-on and Mike Tannenbaum holdovers, I’m not surprised that they disliked Idzik. It’s one thing to say that Idzik was a bad GM and that Idzik shouldn’t have been hired in the first place, but that doesn’t really tell the whole story. He inherited a garbage fire, cleaned it up, effectively got rid of an overly empowered Rex Ryan, and left behind $80 mil in cap space for Maccagnan to nuke. In two offseasons. That’s how you begin a rebuild, but he got fired before getting to the “building” part, where he would have had the chance to replace the coach and the scouting department, but he did the dirty work that was necessary to move the franchise forward. Maccagnan has none of these excuses and still left the roster a barren talent sh*thole that will take multiple offseasons to restock. As for the Idzik “12,” here’s the list of names comprised of the three players drafted immediately after the Jets’ draft slot. This was not a “loaded” draft class. It was a meh draft class with a bunch of meh players, as evidenced by the guys Idzik supposedly passed on. He didn’t leave Odell Beckham on the board, he left Brandin Cooks on the board, who is now on his third team in six years. JuWuan James loafed his way out of Miami and is currently pulling an Osemele in Denver. The best player that he immediately passed on is Gabe Jackson, and he whiffed on Allen Robinson, which sucked. But that’s really it from that class. Again, to compare him with Maccagnan, he missed on a pack of MVP candidates in Mahomes, McCaffrey, Watson, and Lamar Jackson, so what’s worse? Missing on Brandin Cooks or missing on Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson in order to overdraft a safety that doesn’t make plays on the football? Anyway, here’s the list of players Idzik “missed” from that allegedly loaded draft. 

 JuWuan James

Brandin Cooks

Ha Ha Clinton Dix

Jeremiah Attaochu

Ego Ferguson

Troy Niklas 

Gabe Jackson

Will Sutton

Louis Nix

Bryan Stork

Bruce Ellington

Justin Ellis

Keith McGill

Ka’Deem Carey

Martavis Bryant 

Arthur Lynch

Lamin Barrow

Shaquille Richardson

Walt Powell

Demetri Goodson 

Zach Moore

Terrence Feede

Etc

 

 

 

What It boils down to me is this: Idzik had all the potential in the world to be a bigger disaster than what we saw from Mike Maccagnan. He wasn't given the chance to build because in only his second draft, he blew it in historic fashion.  Also, the idea that he did anything groundbreaking in order to get rid of any of the leftovers from the previous regime is nonsense. He made easy cuts that nobody in the world had a problem with at the time. There was nothing ground-breaking.  We knew Revis was going to demand a third contract and he was coming off of an ACL injury. We knew that he was going to get traded.  We knew that his value was still going to be high. Idzik didn't do anything extraordinary in order to make that deal, which was the biggest question mark next to QB, at the time.  If we decided to let Idzik pick his head coach we would have likely ended up with Dan Quinn at head coach who, quite frankly, has been in Atlanta 2 years too long.  There is also absolutely nothing to suggest, given his track record, that we would be a better off roster-wise.  We needed to come out of that draft with wide-receivers in the worst way possible, and that scarecrow looking jerk off didn't draft any until the 4th....Shaq Evans and Jalen Saunders.

At the very least, Idzik is just as bad as Maccagnan. They both suck a massive amount of eggs, but Macc still edges him out, IMO.

[Mogglez]

6 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Macc gave us a All Pro, Pro Bowl S, a young QB to hopefully give us what we haven't had in decades,.

That in itself is better puts him ahead of an Idzik.  

Yeah, but like, Idzik's nickname was "the Ninja" and stuff.

[slimjasi]

[Mike135]

The one who brought in Tebow.

Idzik right?

[mrcoops]

Bradway.

None of them were great - although Tanny had his moments, and was always willing to go the extra mile to bring in talent, even though that hurt depth.

Idzik at least cleaned up the cap mess, and got a 1st round pick for a hobbled Revis but was generally clueless.

Parcells was a great coach, but was so good at GMing that he effectively persuaded Peyton Manning to stay in school rather than picking him at #1.

Maccagnan was completely out of his depth, but was smart enough to allow his deputy to broker a trade for the #3 pick that gifted him Sam Darnold.

But Bradway? Did he ever do anything useful at all? Let all his good players leave as FAs, brought in over-priced duds as their replacements, traded two #1 picks to move up for a DT with two bad knees, etc, etc, He was by far the worst of a very uninspiring bunch.

[T0mShane]

12 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Macc gave us a All Pro, Pro Bowl S, a young QB to hopefully give us what we haven't had in decades,.

That in itself is better puts him ahead of an Idzik.  

 

6 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Yeah, but like, Idzik's nickname was "the Ninja" and stuff.

It cost the third overall pick, the sixth overall pick, three second rounders, Pat Mahomes, Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson, but Maccc landed the safety with 61 tackles (and a $17 mil per price tag) and the accuracy-challenged QB who misses four games per year with dubious injuries! Sure, there’s literally zero OL on the roster, one expensive slot receiver, no CB worth mentioning, and a DL corps full of redundant nose tackles, but at least he was able to pay an ILB 2x retail to come here and replace the ILB he drafted in the first two years prior, and/—BONUS—he funded Le’Veon Bell’s retirement rap label!

[T0mShane]

It should also be pointed out that Idzik was unemployed for ten minutes after his firing. Maccagnan, like Rex, will never be employed by an NFL team again. 

[ZachEY]

28 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

It cost the third overall pick, the sixth overall pick, three second rounders, Pat Mahomes, Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson, but Maccc landed the safety with 61 tackles (and a $17 mil per price tag) and the accuracy-challenged QB who misses four games per year with dubious injuries! Sure, there’s literally zero OL on the roster, one expensive slot receiver, no CB worth mentioning, and a DL corps full of redundant nose tackles, but at least he was able to pay an ILB 2x retail to come here and replace the ILB he drafted in the first two years prior, and/—BONUS—he funded Le’Veon Bell’s retirement rap label!

[nyjunc]

Don't forget Groh though he did a good job with his one draft.

Best to worst

1. Tannenbaum

2. Bradway

3. Macc

4. Parcells

5. Idzik- I put him last because he set the franchise back many years with that disastrous 12 man draft and he spent a full year trying to sabotage his HC so he could fire him.

[Jet Nut]

57 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

It cost the third overall pick, the sixth overall pick, three second rounders, Pat Mahomes, Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson, but Maccc landed the safety with 61 tackles (and a $17 mil per price tag) and the accuracy-challenged QB who misses four games per year with dubious injuries! Sure, there’s literally zero OL on the roster, one expensive slot receiver, no CB worth mentioning, and a DL corps full of redundant nose tackles, but at least he was able to pay an ILB 2x retail to come here and replace the ILB he drafted in the first two years prior, and/—BONUS—he funded Le’Veon Bell’s retirement rap label!

Nothing cost us two QBs in the same years draft.  Kind of impossible. No one should care about Lamar Jackson.  

An argument for Macc or Idzik really is pointless though, isn't it?

[dbatesman]

 

57 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It cost the third overall pick, the sixth overall pick, three second rounders, Pat Mahomes, Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson, but Maccc landed the safety with 61 tackles (and a $17 mil per price tag) and the accuracy-challenged QB who misses four games per year with dubious injuries!

Second-Year DVOA, DYAR Ranks

Geno (2014): 31, 32

Darnold (2019): 31, 32

/ducks

[ZachEY]

40 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

 

Second-Year DVOA, DYAR Ranks

Geno (2014): 31, 32

Darnold (2019): 31, 32

/ducks

You see the team around Geno was actually very good.

[sec101row23]

I’m not even sure how this is debatable.  Maccagnan presided over this franchise for 5 years, had TWO off-seasons in which he had $100M in cap space to work with, had a top 10 pick in 4 of his 5 drafts, and has just Sam Darnold to show for it.  His draft record was abysmal, his free agent signings were poor, his roster management was abysmal.  Idzik was bad, but he was only here for a couple seasons.  Maccagnan drove this franchise into ground for 5 years, his record is deplorable, this is such an easy open and shut case.  Maccagnan is by far the worst GM this franchise has had in a very long time. 

[BroadwayRay]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

Don't forget Groh though he did a good job with his one draft.

Groh was never the Jets GM. Parcells was still lurking the halls that year as GM after retiring as coach the year before. The next year he hired his stooge Terry Bradway for the job.

[Jetsfan80]

Only a slim lead and 49 % of the votes going Macc's way.

You people suck at this.  

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Only a slim lead and 49 % of the votes going Macc's way.

You people suck at this.  

Manish and Francesca liked Macc and destroyed Idzik. They control many minds.

[section314]

8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Only a slim lead and 49 % of the votes going Macc's way.

You people suck at this.  

We need Mr.T and Bradway to disband their campaigns.?

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, section314 said:

We need Mr.T and Bradway to disband their campaigns.?

I can almost guarantee @#27TheDominator voted for Parcells.  

[slimjasi]

7 hours ago, Mike135 said:

The one who brought in Tebow.

Idzik right?

Tanny brought Tebow in

[Jetsfan80]

Idzik's top accomplishments:

1) Rid us of Sanchez

2) Rid us of Rex

3) Drafted Sheldon Richardson # 13 overall

4) Signed Eric Decker

 

Macc's top accomplishments:

1) Approved a trade up (executed by Heimerdinger) to # 3 in what was, at the time, a 2-QB draft. 

2) Drafted Jordan Jenkins in the 3rd round

3) Uhh....Kelvin Beachum?  

 

The former accomplished those in 2 years.  Macc's list comes from a 5-year tenure.

It's not even close.  Idzik sucked, but is still >>> Macc.  

[slimjasi]

32 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Only a slim lead and 49 % of the votes going Macc's way.

You people suck at this.  

To be fair, Idzik and Macc were two historically bad GMs and we had them one right after the other. So they are taking votes away from each other because people are blinded by how brutal Idzik's two year stint was, epitomized by his preposterously bad 2014 draft. 

However, Macc was clearly worse because he had twice as long to get things fixed, and other than lucking into Darnold (who very easily could have been Josh Allen) and picking an all-pro safety (instead of at least one all-pro QB), he basically did nothing to help this team's long term outlook. His best off-season was his first one and all he did there was acquire some cheap veterans to build a flash in the pan 10 win team that had no future. 

[ZachEY]

45 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Only a slim lead and 49 % of the votes going Macc's way.

You people suck at this.  

That's because every vote for Idzik is currently convinced that after two years, trading 4 high draft picks for Sam Darnold is a very good thing, irrelevant of production.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, TeddEY said:

That's because every vote for Idzik is currently convinced that after two years, trading 4 high draft picks for Sam Darnold is a very good thing, irrelevant of production.

And that passing on Watson for the chance to do this was a pre-ordained, thought out plan by Macc.  The same guy that offered more money to Kirk Cousins than any other GM, and the same guy who had no idea Baker Mayfield would go # 1 or that the Giants would pass on a QB.  Yes, this was all his master plan.