When did QBs stats become so inflated?

[JetFan20]

It’s going be difficult explaining to how John Elway and Brett Favre were HOF QBs to the next generation. 

Even guys like Big Ben and Tom Brady didn’t put up the big stats until their late 20s/early 30s. If Derek Carr put up the stats he’s put up ten years ago he’d be looked at as a future HOF.

 

[Jetsfan80]

The moment Ty Law abused Marvin Harrison in an AFC playoff game.  

[Embrace the Suck]

When it became illegal to play DB with any semblance of being a sport of physical aggression. It was accentuated when teams started spreading out the D with 4 and 5 receivers more and more regularly. 

[Daddy Wang Doodle]

When the NFL saw that more points = more watchers = more money

[Barry McCockinner]

When the draft picks boarded the Ark.

[nycdan]

Honestly, it was probably mostly this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CzZO44-rcU

 

They put in the 5-yard chuck rule because of him and pretty much named it after him.

When you argue Revis vs. Sanders, you really ought to bring this guy into the debate. 

[The Crusher]

7 hours ago, JetFan20 said:

It’s going be difficult explaining to how John Elway and Brett Favre were HOF QBs to the next generation. 

Even guys like Big Ben and Tom Brady didn’t put up the big stats until their late 20s/early 30s. If Derek Carr put up the stats he’s put up ten years ago he’d be looked at as a future HOF.

 

Can’t have fantasy football without scoring. Basically horse racing at this point. 

[The Crusher]

4 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Honestly, it was probably mostly this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CzZO44-rcU

They put in the 5-yard chuck rule because of him and pretty much named it after him.

When you argue Revis vs. Sanders, you really ought to bring this guy into the debate. 

Great share! 

[nico002]

QB stats peaked like 10 years ago, if anything they’ve been on a decline sans mahomes

[shawn306]

48 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The moment Ty Law abused Marvin Harrison in an AFC playoff game.  

That, Brady getting his knee taken out in 2008 and the concussion issue. After these three things. QB's became untouchable, WR's and TE's no longer had to fear going over the middle into traffic and DB's basically had to try and cover guys with both hands tied behind their backs.

Goodell took a great game and turned it into the Arena League.

[section314]

Since the NFL made playing defense an automatic penalty.

[Philc1]

16 minutes ago, nico002 said:

QB stats peaked like 10 years ago, if anything they’ve been on a decline sans mahomes

Not really.  Anyone can throw for 4,000+ yards now.  It used to be an accomplishment if a qb hit 3,000 yards

[Philc1]

7 minutes ago, section314 said:

Since the NFL made playing defense an automatic penalty.

2004 both the nba and nfl made defense illegal

 

the nfl extremely liberalized the definition of holding by DBs while making it impossible to hit the qb(especially if the last name was Brady)

 

the same year the nba banned handchecking

[The Crimson King]

To make passing stats meaningful, they need to be separated between the pass and the run after the catch.  DInk a pass in the flat for 2 yds and he runs for a TD makes all passing stats just plain silly

[Warfish]

Posting in a quality stealth "Darnold shouldn't be judged by his stats cause stats just be inflated anyway" thread.

[Philc1]

30 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Posting in a quality stealth "Darnold shouldn't be judged by his stats cause stats just be inflated anyway" thread.

Sam’s stats were fine last year he threw for over 3,000 yards while missing a quarter of the season

[Losmeister]

the fcat that they EVENTUALLY enforced the rule....    shouldnt make us cry...

our QBs being  crap except for 1998 ,2002 and 2015 is the problem...

Dbs mugging QRs all over the field when they dont have the ball is BS.

some of the defenseless player stuff...    is kinda weak...   and they have over enforced roughing QB.

 

[Philc1]

4 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

the fcat that they EVENTUALLY enforced the rule....    shouldnt make us cry...

our QBs being  crap except for 1998 ,2002 and 2015 is the problem...

Dbs mugging QRs all over the field when they dont have the ball is BS.

some of the defenseless player stuff...    is kinda weak...   and they have over enforced roughing QB.

 

Fitz’s 2015 was the result of Marshall and Decker catching 20 50/50 balls per game from his noodle arm

[nyjunc]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The moment Ty Law abused Marvin Harrison in an AFC playoff game.  

In other words the moment Peyton came up small in yet another playoff game.

 

The funny thing was they lost that game 24-14 then changed the rules, the next year Peyton put up 3 points in their playoff loss?

[nyjunc]

8 hours ago, JetFan20 said:

It’s going be difficult explaining to how John Elway and Brett Favre were HOF QBs to the next generation. 

Even guys like Big Ben and Tom Brady didn’t put up the big stats until their late 20s/early 30s. If Derek Carr put up the stats he’s put up ten years ago he’d be looked at as a future HOF.

 

This is why people think Eli is a Hall of famer, "he's top 10 in yards, TDs!"- yeah but he's sixth all time in attempts playing his entire career in this pass happy era where all the rules favor pass offenses.

 

 

[Irish Jet]

Rule changes. Some necessary and some ridiculous.

Hitting unprotected players was standard practice for defensive players. The middle of the field was a dangerous place to run routes. Now a QB can pretty much attack there at will.

That and DB’s being able to contact the WR less and less. I personally think they should have done away with these rules, maybe get rid of pass interference altogether to compensate the measures that had to be introduced for the players’ health.

I miss the days before it became all about passing the ball. Made for a more strategic sport.

[Jet Fan RI]

56 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Rule changes. Some necessary and some ridiculous.

Hitting unprotected players was standard practice for defensive players. The middle of the field was a dangerous place to run routes. Now a QB can pretty much attack there at will.

That and DB’s being able to contact the WR less and less. I personally think they should have done away with these rules, maybe get rid of pass interference altogether to compensate the measures that had to be introduced for the players’ health.

I miss the days before it became all about passing the ball. Made for a more strategic sport.

So a DB can tackle a receiver before the ball arrives and no penalty?

[Irish Jet]

26 minutes ago, Jet Fan RI said:

So a DB can tackle a receiver before the ball arrives and no penalty?

Obviously you can limit the level of contact but as it exists now it’s ridiculous. 

[section314]

All the things mentioned so far make Namath’s 1967 season where he became the first QB to throw for over 4,000 yards even more amazing.In 14 games.

[GreenReaper]

3 hours ago, Embrace the Suck said:

When it became illegal to play DB with any semblance of being a sport of physical aggression. It was accentuated when teams started spreading out the D with 4 and 5 receivers more and more regularly. 

When they took the bump & run away from DBs and instituted no touchee rules...the passing game more resembled a video game then the throwback football days.  When you were able to get physical with receivers, you had HOF QBs with 50-59% completion stats.  

Now the running game is more of a change of pace to keep the defenses honest.  As the top QBs are flinging it all over the field 35 - 50 times at 60 - 70% rates.  And RBs more and more almost must be very good volumn receivers too. 

I always made this suggestion on this topic.  Why not at least expand bump-run from within 5 yards  to 10 yards.  This will allow DBs a better chance of throwing receivers off their routes and disrupt the timing with the QBs.  Bringing completion % a little more down to earth.  For me that would make the game more balanced and not take away any excitement for me.

[Snook]

23 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

When they took the bump & run away from DBs and instituted no touchee rules...the passing game more resembled a video game then the throwback football days.  When you were able to get physical with receivers, you had HOF QBs with 50-59% completion stats.  

Now the running game is more of a change of pace to keep the defenses honest.  As the top QBs are flinging it all over the field 35 - 50 times at 60 - 70% rates.  And RBs more and more almost must be very good volumn receivers too. 

I always made this suggestion on this topic.  Why not at least expand bump-run from within 5 yards  to 10 yards.  This will allow DBs a better chance of throwing receivers off their routes and disrupt the timing with the QBs.  Bringing completion % a little more down to earth.  For me that would make the game more balanced and not take away any excitement for me.

This is one of the reasons I don't  understand "records". It isn't the same.

[Skeet Ulrich]

The Ty Law game and the Bernard Pollard game ruined QB records. Go look and see how many QBs have thrown for more than 5000 yards before Pollard ripped up Brady's knee, then look after that.

 

[Skeet Ulrich]

2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

In other words the moment Peyton came up small in yet another playoff game.

 

The funny thing was they lost that game 24-14 then changed the rules, the next year Peyton put up 3 points in their playoff loss?

It's funny Peyton Manning has this reputation as a choker and Tom Brady is this consummate winner but they played head to head 5 times in the playoffs and Peyton won 3 times.

 

It's interesting how narratives are created and perpetuated.

[Philc1]

29 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

The Ty Law game and the Bernard Pollard game ruined QB records. Go look and see how many QBs have thrown for more than 5000 yards before Pollard ripped up Brady's knee, then look after that.

 

Goodell sucks

[JetsFanatic]

11 hours ago, JetFan20 said:

It’s going be difficult explaining to how John Elway and Brett Favre were HOF QBs to the next generation. 

Even guys like Big Ben and Tom Brady didn’t put up the big stats until their late 20s/early 30s. If Derek Carr put up the stats he’s put up ten years ago he’d be looked at as a future HOF.

 

Playing QB today is sooo much easier than other generations.  I could only imagine what Joe Namath would have done today.

 

[nyjunc]

16 hours ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

It's funny Peyton Manning has this reputation as a choker and Tom Brady is this consummate winner but they played head to head 5 times in the playoffs and Peyton won 3 times.

 

It's interesting how narratives are created and perpetuated.

Outside of the second half of the 2006 AFC Championship Game Peyton did very little to win the other two games.  Peyton had the more talented team in every postseason matchup.  Peyton lost his 2 leading O to 17 total points, in the 06 title game with reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his main weapons (with no run game) Brady led his O to 27 points.

Peyton won good 2 SBs on the back of his D, he'd be under .500 in the playoffs (despite the more talented team in most years) if his D didn't drag him kicking and screaming to the SB in 2015.

[nyjunc]

16 hours ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

The Ty Law game and the Bernard Pollard game ruined QB records. Go look and see how many QBs have thrown for more than 5000 yards before Pollard ripped up Brady's knee, then look after that.

 

QBs were protected long before the Pollard play.  Go watch games in the 80s where literally you going touch them and the whistle would blow.  The in the grasp rule.

[neckdemon]

19 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Sam’s stats were fine last year he threw for over 3,000 yards while missing a quarter of the season

if his numbers are extrapolated across a full season (he missed 3 actual games) he would have about 3700 yds, 24 tds and 16 ints. not a bad 2nd year, especially considering the offensive players he was surrounded by were mediocre at best

[Embrace the Suck]

17 hours ago, GreenReaper said:

expand bump-run from within 5 yards  to 10 yards

Oh, I like that.