GREENBEAN Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I was a Josh Allen man, myself... I was trade down for $.70 on the dollar and go grab Bradberry or Cody Ford. I almost cried when we stood pat and picked Q. Almost. That said he will have 8 1/2 sacks this year with 10 tfl so everyone can stop crying. He’s fine. Sam- 4080 yds 34/11 It’s all gooood Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: Sam- 4080 yds 34/11 It’s all gooood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Bust. Duh. Even Spongebob held him in check. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 17 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Perine with a 75 yard TD today=hall of fame since these scrimmages are the most important things ever. Just want to know what oline was infront of him? Starters or backups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jet Nut Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 10 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: You missed the giant thread where we were debating things like rooting for losses when you know the season is over so you can get a better draft pick and what constitutes a "real fan". Teams dont tank. Theres a lot of reasons why teams dont and won't tank and shouldnt tank. And why after the fact its easy to say they should have. Fans want to improve their draft spot because of that reason NFL teams dont tank. NBA teams, different story. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, TNJet said: Just want to know what oline was infront of him? Starters or backups? Back ups 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Teams dont tank. Theres a lot of reasons why teams dont and won't tank and shouldnt tank. And why after the fact its easy to say they should have. Fans want to improve their draft spot because of that reason NFL teams dont tank. NBA teams, different story. It was a discussion about what you should root for, basically, and what's best for the team. Conscious action by the team itself wasn't part of the equation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: It was a discussion about what you should root for, basically, and what's best for the team. Conscious action by the team itself wasn't part of the equation. Got it, on that level we agree. Would have helped to know the reference I guess, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 People are looking at this the wrong way. Maybe our 2nd team OL is just stacked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: Got it, on that level we agree. Would have helped to know the reference I guess, lol A real fan never roots for losses. Disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 19 hours ago, bitonti said: yeah and Sam's had a year head start QW is 22 years old for context Nathan Shepherd is almost 27 Nathan Shepherd is Canadian. Don't they tell time differently than us or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, T0mShane said: A real fan never roots for losses. Disgusting. Your memory is as impressive as it is sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Nathan Shepherd is Canadian. Don't they tell time differently than us or something? Nathan Shepherd is 58 in Canadian years, yes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 11 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: You missed the giant thread where we were debating things like rooting for losses when you know the season is over so you can get a better draft pick and what constitutes a "real fan". That was a conscious decision. Thanks for the ******* crossover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Your memory is as impressive as it is sad. Funny, I find his sadness is as impressive as it is memorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 The problem with this fanbase is that people legit believe 7 mil is alot to pay a playerThe Jets are 30 million under the cap for no reason I don't want to hear how qw rookie contract is too high That's true. Of course, then you shouldn't use a super high 1st rounder on one, and pay him 7.4 million (cap number) to learn the position. Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, SR24 said: Now do this with the hundreds of Defensive Linemen who sucked their rookie years and then continued to suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 21 hours ago, T0mShane said: His problem is in his temperament, and that doesn’t get better over time. Macc and Bowles specialized in drafting nice kids who wouldn’t talk back to Todd, and that doesn’t work as a DL. Quinnen is just a squishy goofball whom Macc gave millions of dollars to. This is Amobi Okoye redux for whatever reason this comment rattled around the old duders head They say Mekhi Becton is a big teddy bear off the field but he's a machine on the field Williams is, as you say, a nice person off the field. Time will tell if he has that switch. I believe he does... not that anyone cares what I think last year Williams was hurt by the way and he played through it. This is what happens to most Alabama prospects (cough cough dee milliner, jonah williams) the practices are so neanderthal and the competition so intense (8 deep rotation on the D line), and the bribes are so high and the painkilling drugs are pro level, so these guys get the crap kicked out of them in Tuscaloosa, and end up half hurt as rookies. and as for expectations Quinnen Williams was never going to be 280 pound Aaron Donald. He's on the Jonathan Allen-plus track a 10 sack guy who also leads in the run game. As a rookie QW was part of many run stops including 4th and 1 etc. Everyone says it's about sacks in the top 3 (and it will be) but the Jets had the number 2 run D last season and QW was a part of it. all of this is to say for the crap we talk about Qw his rookie year wasn't that bad. This might turn into QW = Drob but i'll take that action. here's my spicy take Williams was better in year 1 than Leo, Sheldon and even Mo. He's the best DL we've seen for sometime like Darnold being the best QB1 it's a low bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 minute ago, bitonti said: for whatever reason this comment rattled around the old duders head They say Mekhi Becton is a big teddy bear off the field but he's a machine on the field Williams is, as you say, a nice person off the field. Time will tell if he has that switch. I believe he does... not that anyone cares what I think last year Williams was hurt by the way and he played through it. This is what happens to most Alabama prospects (cough cough dee milliner, jonah williams) the practices are so neanderthal and the competition so intense (8 deep rotation on the D line), and the bribes are so high and the painkilling drugs are pro level, so these guys get the crap kicked out of them in Tuscaloosa, and end up half hurt as rookies. and as for expectations Quinnen Williams was never going to be 280 pound Aaron Donald. He's on the Jonathan Allen-plus track a 10 sack guy who also leads in the run game. As a rookie QW was part of many run stops including 4th and 1 etc. Everyone says it's about sacks in the top 3 (and it will be) but the Jets had the number 2 run D last season and QW was a part of it. all of this is to say for the crap we talk about Qw his rookie year wasn't that bad. It wasn't like he got Mono Problem is his position, like adams. We’ve all hashed this out here ad nauseum. In the nfl, positional value mattters a lot when drafting. Take a safety 6tth, he becomes an all pro, then whines. If this guy were a stud wr the jets would have paid Adams. even if Q becomes good, they’re not going to pay him a ton of $$ unless he’s just unreal, and that’s really unlikely. Don’t take interior DL in the top 3. Don’t take a safety 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: Problem is his position, like adams. We’ve all hashed this out here ad nauseum. In the nfl, positional value mattters a lot when drafting. Take a safety 6tth, he becomes an all pro, then whines. If this guy were a stud wr the jets would have paid Adams. even if Q becomes good, they’re not going to pay him a ton of $$ unless he’s just unreal, and that’s really unlikely. Don’t take interior DL in the top 3. Don’t take a safety 6th. positional value doesn't change the draft board tho That was a terrible offensive draft. TJ Hockenson at 8. Jonah Williams at 11. Half the board wanted Jonah Williams who has yet to play a snap in the NFL. Chris Lindstrom at 14 (played 4 games before IR) C Garrett Bradbury at 18 was an OK pick. but to reach for the next best WR in that draft would have been Marquise Brown at 25 some say they wanted to trade down pennies on the dollar - mac was a moron but even he wasn't that dumb *** and in a more general 30,000 foot view, the Jets have the money to pay Jamal, resign Sam, pay Robby, trade for Yannick etc. They can make Williams a highly paid D lineman. They really do have all the room to do all those things. They just choose not to. i saw another post someone complaining about Williams rookie contract number. the 30 mil they are under at the moment includes dead space for Jamal Adams trade, Quincy cut, Bradley at SS, i.e. they are actually more like 45 mil under when it comes to actual roster spend (not cap space) i.e. The financial management of the team should be more concerned about getting above the cap floor not saving even more money by cutting players or letting the stars (at inconvenient positions) walk. All that leads to is CJ Mosely and Trumaine Johnson signings (bell too). Splashes to look like they care but it barely gets them to 93% but you are right one day they will tell us all about how QW at DT is a bad investment and he will walk etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, bitonti said: positional value doesn't change the draft board tho That was a terrible offensive draft. TJ Hockenson at 8. Jonah Williams at 11. Half the board wanted Jonah Williams who has yet to play a snap in the NFL. Chris Lindstrom at 14 (played 4 games before IR) C Garrett Bradbury at 18 was an OK pick. but to reach for the next best WR in that draft would have been Marquise Brown at 25 some say they wanted to trade down pennies on the dollar - mac was a moron but even he wasn't that dumb *** and in a more general 30,000 foot view, the Jets have the money to pay Jamal, resign Sam, pay Robby, trade for Yannick etc. They can make Williams a highly paid D lineman. They really do have all the room to do all those things. They just choose not to. i saw another post someone complaining about Williams rookie contract number. the 30 mil they are under at the moment includes dead space for Jamal Adams trade, Quincy cut, Bradley at SS, i.e. they are actually more like 45 mil under when it comes to actual roster spend (not cap space) i.e. The financial management of the team should be more concerned about getting above the cap floor not saving even more money by cutting players or letting the stars (at inconvenient positions) walk. All that leads to is CJ Mosely and Trumaine Johnson signings (bell too). Splashes to look like they care but it barely gets them to 93% but you are right one day they will tell us all about how QW at DT is a bad investment and he will walk etc. Josh allen was the logical pick, edge rusher is a premium position. Mccagnan never thought this way, which is why he drafted guys like adams and lee and Leo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 He will be unstoppable this season.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: Josh allen was the logical pick, edge rusher is a premium position. Mccagnan never thought this way, which is why he drafted guys like adams and lee and Leo. Oh he drafted EDGE rushers. But they were unathletic slugs Lorenzo Mauldin and Jachai Polite, types who never succeed in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I would love to go back to the draft night thread when all of you couldn’t express how excited you were that we got such a steal. Or at worst I got the argument that he was the best “value” so we had no choice. (Still not sure what that means) It was a bad pick then as it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Now do this with the hundreds of Defensive Linemen who sucked their rookie years and then continued to suck. this. applies for all players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 48 minutes ago, bitonti said: for whatever reason this comment rattled around the old duders head They say Mekhi Becton is a big teddy bear off the field but he's a machine on the field Williams is, as you say, a nice person off the field. Time will tell if he has that switch. I believe he does... not that anyone cares what I think last year Williams was hurt by the way and he played through it. This is what happens to most Alabama prospects (cough cough dee milliner, jonah williams) the practices are so neanderthal and the competition so intense (8 deep rotation on the D line), and the bribes are so high and the painkilling drugs are pro level, so these guys get the crap kicked out of them in Tuscaloosa, and end up half hurt as rookies. and as for expectations Quinnen Williams was never going to be 280 pound Aaron Donald. He's on the Jonathan Allen-plus track a 10 sack guy who also leads in the run game. As a rookie QW was part of many run stops including 4th and 1 etc. Everyone says it's about sacks in the top 3 (and it will be) but the Jets had the number 2 run D last season and QW was a part of it. all of this is to say for the crap we talk about Qw his rookie year wasn't that bad. This might turn into QW = Drob but i'll take that action. here's my spicy take Williams was better in year 1 than Leo, Sheldon and even Mo. He's the best DL we've seen for sometime like Darnold being the best QB1 it's a low bar Better than Sheldon? Wasn’t he DROY? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, EM31 said: People are looking at this the wrong way. Maybe our 2nd team OL is just stacked. I'd say our 2nd string oline is equal to our starters last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 22 hours ago, T0mShane said: His problem is in his temperament, and that doesn’t get better over time. Macc and Bowles specialized in drafting nice kids who wouldn’t talk back to Todd, and that doesn’t work as a DL. Quinnen is just a squishy goofball whom Macc gave millions of dollars to. This is Amobi Okoye redux Simple - just piss him off before and during the game. Who is the most annoying player on the team - get him in his face! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Just now, Greensleeves said: Simple - just piss him off before and during the game. Who is the most annoying player on the team - get him in his face! Rex tried that. I think he gave Robert Turner a bonus for going after Gholston, in an attempt to fire him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 3 hours ago, SR24 said: The QW haters need to chill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 22 hours ago, T0mShane said: I’m DYING to know what dumbass team (allegedly) approached Douglas with a massive offer of picks for Quinnen last year and I pray to sweet Jesus that they’re still that thirsty for a porky bust. “Can’t nobody block me” Robertson will have had a better career than Williams, and he had no knees at the EXACT time another idiot Jet “GM” drafted him. Pick was just moronic. If it’s Aaron Donald then you pick a DT that high. No lesson learned with the Leonard Williams pick? Then again Williams was consensus and that’s who the Janitor who conned the Silver Spoon stupidest owner in the NFL into hiring him as GM was always going to pick, to try to protect his job. Also, something about Williams, smiling country boy, just gives me the vibe he won’t translate to the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Yes and yes. Sheldons droy campaign was helped by the 2 rushing td. He had 3.5 sacks that year and 26 on his career. Williams will be better than this in short order. I can't speak to the rushing td tho Better than Sheldon? Wasn’t he DROY?Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: Yes and yes. Sheldons droy campaign was helped by the 2 rushing td. He had 3.5 sacks that year and 26 on his career. Williams will be better than this in short order. I can't speak to the rushing td tho Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Sheldon was always on the field in 2013. We didn’t have the same depth on DL we have now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 temperment argument is weird. rosie grier knit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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