Butterfield Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, jetsons said: 2 Words... Signed Contract So? People in every industry get out of contracts every day. In football, thats much more difficult. It is a closed market. A true oligopoly. As such, the worker has very limited leverage. The power is in the hands of the relative fewer billionaires. I just relate more to the situation Watson is in. Sometimes, things just don’t work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, JiF said: I think people have a hard time seeing that...if you're promised something at work and your leadership does the exact opposite, you're going to be upset about it. We just dont live in a world where a simple post with a jersey on defines your character and apparently also means that you're not allowed to have an opinion on anything even your own career because you are just an athlete/entertainment to me so just shut up and dribble. It's human nature to have less sympathy for those making hundreds of millions of dollars. Especially in a fan/pro athlete scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usanyj Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 12 hours ago, King P said: So the player gets criticized when he wants out because he's "not honoring his contract" but yet I guarantee you wouldn't have the same energy for the team if they decided they didn't want to honor the contract and traded the player ? You can trade a player and still be beholden to the contract. The contract doesn’t go away with a trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, jetsons said: If Darnold or Brady were having a Clear Disagreement with mgmt & it was widely known throughout the sports world & they did that the same inferences would be made... trying to make it a black & white issue is The False narrative. Fine, maybe that example was too far because of the social media world we live in but everything else you neg rep'd was spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, jetsons said: If Darnold or Brady were having a Clear Disagreement with mgmt & it was widely known throughout the sports world & they did that the same inferences would be made... trying to make it a black & white issue is The False narrative. Right. You're not anti-black. You're anti-labor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Wow, so, bottom line is that the owner has been enthralled with the unqualified Jack Easterby, who is nuts. No wonder both Watt and Watson are sounding the alarm. https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2021/01/16/texans-chaos-deshaun-watson-unhappy-how-jack-easterby-kept-his-job?__twitter_impression=true 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said: It's human nature to have less sympathy for those making hundreds of millions of dollars. Especially in a fan/pro athlete scenario. Maybe but he didnt do anything. He posted a picture in a jersey. If this heats up and he does something worth being dragged through the coals for and characterized by despite everything else he's done, ok, lets talk but to villainize him for this is absolutely ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, JiF said: Well if that's the case, lets trade for this dick. I love dick but I especially love this dick. He's a special dick. This dick shines on and off the camera. I’m on board with giving them Darnold, #2, #23, and possibly a one next year. Just do it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: I’m on board with giving them Darnold, #2, #23, and possibly a one next year. Just do it. Huge Darnold supporter here...and i support this post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, JiF said: Maybe but he didnt do anything. He posted a picture in a jersey. If this heats up and he does something worth being dragged through the coals for and characterized by despite everything else he's done, ok, lets talk but to villainize him for this is absolutely ridiculous. I feel like the onus is on Watson to make the case as to why being a Texan is untenable, and it seems like that SI article is a good opening salvo to that end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Wow, so, bottom line is that the owner has been enthralled with the unqualified Jack Easterby, who is nuts. No wonder both Watt and Watson are sounding the alarm. https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2021/01/16/texans-chaos-deshaun-watson-unhappy-how-jack-easterby-kept-his-job?__twitter_impression=true Remember when Watt went off in an interview bashing O'Brien and the front office and that was awesome passion? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said: Right. You're not anti-black. You're anti-labor. False... I'm Pro Worker ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I’m on board with giving them Darnold, #2, #23, and possibly a one next year. Just do it. Wouldnt even bat an eye, done deal. Lets ******* go. They still have plenty of money and picks to build around him between this year and 2022 and he could get to work immediately with Crowder and Mims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, Butterfield said: So? People in every industry get out of contracts every day. In football, thats much more difficult. It is a closed market. A true oligopoly. As such, the worker has very limited leverage. The power is in the hands of the relative fewer billionaires. I just relate more to the situation Watson is in. Sometimes, things just don’t work out. Which is why his agent, if he was worth his salt, should have had a clause in his contract stating same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, jetsons said: Which is why his agent, if he was worth his salt, should have had a clause in his contract stating same. What are you talking about? I see someone likes to pretend he is an employment attorney. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, JiF said: Wouldnt even bat an eye, done deal. Lets ******* go. They still have plenty of money and picks to build around him between this year and 2022 and he could get to work immediately with Crowder and Mims. I think you could make a pretty compelling sales pitch to free agents JuJu Smith-Schuster and/or Allen Robinson with Watson on the roster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 51 minutes ago, jetsons said: Because the team holds the rights to the contract... Not the player. A contract is a mutual agreement between two parties. The rights of each are defined in it. Neither side has greater claim to it than the other. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I’m on board with giving them Darnold, #2, #23, and possibly a one next year. Just do it. Then you can restructure the deal next season to lessen the blown of that $40M cap hit. Convert some to bonus and add another year to the deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Butterfield said: What are you talking about? I see someone likes to pretend he is an employment attorney. fat, drunk & stupid is no way to go through life, son. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, jetsons said: fat, drunk & stupid is no way to go through life, son. ? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Butterfield said: What? Exactly ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, jetsons said: Exactly ? Nothing worthwhile to add? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Butterfield said: Nothing worthwhile to add? no need 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, jetsons said: no need I agree. You are a very strange person. Very defensive for no real reason. Just agree to disagree. No need to get all pissy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, JiF said: Insert white QB - dude is a competitor, he just wants to win!!! Black QB - thug turd, shut up and play someone had to say it, it's ******* obvious. Just to let you know... the guy downvoting your posts once told me it was ok for the police to kill Black people because "Black people commit all the crimes" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Integrity28 Posted January 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, JiF said: Remember when Watt went off in an interview bashing O'Brien and the front office and that was awesome passion? 100%. White player complains: passion, leadership, initiative Black player complains: selfish, overrated, whiny, lazy, unwilling to honor contract Rather than arguing, y’all should sh*t up, and go read about unconscious bias. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, jgb said: Well, I don't think it's racism in this case -- I think it's just the Darnold crowd desperately maligning every other potential option. It fits the pattern. No one has been able to construct a coherent defense of Sam Darnold that focuses on anything he has done, it's all "well, his supporting cast sucks" or "All Ohio State QBs bust, all the available veterans suck/are too expensive." Maybe for some, but not for all. It’s readily apparent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, jgb said: A contract is a mutual agreement between two parties. The rights of each are defined in it. Neither side has greater claim to it than the other. Just a guess, but I’d wager that the contract has no language in it that sounds like “shut up and play, boy”. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be_a_Jet Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Wait till he goes to Miami and then all you who are hating on him Gunna be shakin in your boots. we should trade for him not only because we need a new QB but it’s bonus that we would essentially be keeping Miami from getting a franchise QB and essentially a top 5 QB in the league at young age. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, JiF said: Remember when Watt went off in an interview bashing O'Brien and the front office and that was awesome passion? Watt is permanent cringe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggy001 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Regardless of your beliefs on this , its about to get very real. He will not be returning to the Texans. So , it comes down to whether you want to put together a package to get him. I would send the 2 and next yrs 1.. and maybe another 3 this yr... If that gets me a top 10 qb for next 10 yrs, i am in. We would still have plenty of picks, and Fa $$ to build around him...for those who want to stick with Sam, he will Never be anything close to Watson, Never. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: 100%. White player complains: passion, leadership, initiative Black player complains: selfish, overrated, whiny, lazy, unwilling to honor contract Rather than arguing, y’all should sh*t up, and go read about unconscious bias. I personally thought Jamal Adams complaining showed passion, leadership and initiative ....I can’t speak for anyone else 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: I’m on board with giving them Darnold, #2, #23, and possibly a one next year. Just do it. I enjoyed the idea that after giving up three number ones, Sam Darnold is going to serve as the kicker that sweetens the deal in this scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Risk vs reward for a FQB currently rated as a top 5 in the league is worth the capital we would have to give up. Watson’s a good kid. He would be a perfect QB for NYC. Just my opinion. Don’t want to see him in a Art Deco Dolphin color uniform either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: I enjoyed the idea that after giving up three number ones, Sam Darnold is going to serve as the kicker that sweetens the deal in this scenario. In this scenario, he’s the one delivering the paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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