Mike LeFleur must go

[SR24]

Lafleur wanted Elijah Moore so bad on draft day  he started celebrating when he was slipping. How does Lafleur want a guy so bad, finally gets him and then plays him out of position every game!?  Someone make it make sense 

[kdels62]

3 hours ago, rangerous said:

wilson holds the ball too long and misses some easy throws.  the oline hasn't pass blocked very well.  the jets need to start throwing more quick passes.  and they certainly need a receiver that gets doubled once in a while.

At times but “Rookie holds onto the ball too long sometimes” isn’t a huge problem 3 games into a career. Bigger issues exist when veteran OL can’t pick up blitzes and also when plays look like this.

 

 

[rangerous]

29 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

At times but “Rookie holds onto the ball too long sometimes” isn’t a huge problem 3 games into a career. Bigger issues exist when veteran OL can’t pick up blitzes and also when plays look like this.

did the jets hire schitty?

[sec101row23]

Aside from the failure to utilize his personnel correctly, another one of LaFleur’s errors has been how he has been coaching Zach.  
 

During all of camp and the pre-season games we heard Saleh and LaFleur say how they were “forcing” Zach to stay in the pocket, make his reads and not wanting him to use his feet.   Now 3 games in what are we seeing?  Zach staying in the pocket too long, holding the ball and not using his feet.   His ability to get out of the pocket is abysmal.  His escape routes are non-existent.  He’s turning the wrong way into the rush, he’s not leaving the pocket when there have been opportunities to do so.  
 

They have coached this kid into a box, and aren’t using one of his best attributes.  It’s not good.  

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, kdels62 said:

 

What is going on here? Zach takes a sack on this play btw.

While tough to diagnose based on a single screenshot, I'd say Zack missing (or at least not yet throwing to) an open man for the first over the middle.  The bunched receivers look messy in this screeny, but I can only presume they separated some after this?

[Biggs]

14 hours ago, Warfish said:

You know that isn’t going to happen.

AZ first fire was the OC in season, followed by the rookie HC, followed by takeing a QB with their first pick the next year after taking a QB at 10.  Not to say we should follow AZ's model.  AZ at least made it to the NFC championship game witht the same GM that was willing to move on from his coaches and rookie QB.  The GM survived the purge. 

Douglas was willing to fire Gase after he came here because of Gase.  Lets see what kind of balls Douglas really has.  Is he really willing to make the tough decisions.

[Sonny Werblin]

He’s young and has never been regarded as some type of whiz kid. He didn’t earn the job. He got it because the HC is best friends with his big brother.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

Wait. Is averaging 6 points a game a bad thing?

This guy makes gase look like a genius

[Sonny Werblin]

The jets need to start scripting their first 15 plays so that all of the coaches, not just LaFloor, have input.

[thebuzzardman]

For once, since Parcells, I'd like to see the Jets hire the actual big name guy, not some guys from "the tree" or someone's brother. Or the defensive coordinator of the offensive genius. 

For f*cks sake, the Johnson's are rich. Hire the actual real Shanahan, not the sloppy seconds. Even if you have to wait. Do whatever legal tampering is allowed. Or not Shannan, but whatever other proven coach is available. Lately it's all these retreads, never beens, brother or son of the offensive coordinator etc. Like, maybe try hiring the excellent guy with the proven record. It'll cost, but the Jets are in the NY Metro area.  That's 20 million people to get a small % to watch 8 games. Jets are printing money. Whatever it costs to pay the guy who is great while the team sucks for a couple of years will be more than recouped when the team is really good for 5 years etc. 

Instead they hire guys like The Stoic Statue, The Coffee Boy, Crazy Eyes and The Big Dofus. 

Jets are always like the last guy on a gang bang when it comes to hiring coaches. 

[sec101row23]

1 hour ago, SR24 said:

Lafleur wanted Elijah Moore so bad on draft he started celebrating when he was slipping. How does Lafleur want a guy so bad, finally gets him and then plays him out of position every game!?  Someone make it make sense 

Moore needs to clean up some of his route running though.  When he’s running those out routes he’s not crisp and drifting up field a bit.   He needs to be coming back towards the QB a little, he’s probably about 3-4 yards deeper than Zach expects him to be.  

[thebuzzardman]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

Moore needs to clean up some of his route running though.  When he’s running those out routes he’s not crisp and drifting up field a bit.   He needs to be coming back towards the QB a little, he’s probably about 3-4 yards deeper than Zach expects him to be.  

I thought Moore was some kind of route running prodigy though. 

[sec101row23]

1 minute ago, thebuzzardman said:

I thought Moore was some kind of route running prodigy though. 

 Very few prospects coming into the league are route running tacticians.  They all need work.  

[maury77]

14 hours ago, Albaniajet said:

Zach looks really good.

At what?

[maury77]

3 hours ago, kdels62 said:

 

What is going on here? Zach takes a sack on this play btw.

Let's see. If Mims was the WR on the bottom of the screen, they could throw a jump ball there, but we have Mugsy Bogues playing out wide instead. Also, defense appears to be in man. Can't Zach use this athleticism we keep hearing about to pick up the first with his legs?

[carlito1171]

19 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said:

For once, since Parcells, I'd like to see the Jets hire the actual big name guy, not some guys from "the tree" or someone's brother. Or the defensive coordinator of the offensive genius. 

For f*cks sake, the Johnson's are rich. Hire the actual real Shanahan, not the sloppy seconds. Even if you have to wait. Do whatever legal tampering is allowed. Or not Shannan, but whatever other proven coach is available. Lately it's all these retreads, never beens, brother or son of the offensive coordinator etc. Like, maybe try hiring the excellent guy with the proven record. It'll cost, but the Jets are in the NY Metro area.  That's 20 million people to get a small % to watch 8 games. Jets are printing money. Whatever it costs to pay the guy who is great while the team sucks for a couple of years will be more than recouped when the team is really good for 5 years etc. 

Instead they hire guys like The Stoic Statue, The Coffee Boy, Crazy Eyes and The Big Dofus. 

Jets are always like the last guy on a gang bang when it comes to hiring coaches. 

The Johnsons are content with running the Jets like a poverty franchise and that's the bottom line. It's a disgrace, but Woody is a cheap scumbag content with losing and telling the fans the piss falling from the sky is rain....

[joewilly12]

Mike Lafleur wasn't ready to be an OC this is on Robert Saleh 

Bring in an offensive assistant or fire Mike Lafleur. 

[Charlie Brown]

15 hours ago, Albaniajet said:

Yeah but we were blaming Sam for him not setting passing records with scrubs last season.  

The truth is this WR group is 1000X better than last year's WR group and it is not even close!

[Charlie Brown]

10 hours ago, Mike135 said:

Better than Sam had all 3 years.

The folks that down downvote this idea are INSANE!

The Jets didn't have Moore or Davis etc.  The Jets were sending out better lacrosse players than WR!  The idea that this year's skill position players are worse than last year's is preposterous!

[sec101row23]

16 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Let's see. If Mims was the WR on the bottom of the screen, they could throw a jump ball there, but we have Mugsy Bogues playing out wide instead. Also, defense appears to be in man. Can't Zach use this athleticism we keep hearing about to pick up the first with his legs?

When they rolled out the Davis, Moore, Berrios trio I knew it wasn’t going to be a good day.  How is that even an option?  Cole is barely getting on the field, when he has been targeted he at least catches the ball.  I still maintain the best trio is the Davis, Cole, Moore group with Moore in the slot.  

[Shelbyblue]

The kid is good, he can make throws most can’t. Lafluer is learning on the job, so is Saleh and Zach. Receivers must catch the damn ball. The offensive line is JDs fault and or the the O line coach. Don’t look for wins against really good defenses like one coached by Fangio, these career defensive coaches hardly ever get beat by rookies.

[Albaniajet]

It doesn’t matter who the OC is Zach is not going to be a franchise qb

 

Chris Simms sold y’all a bill of goods

[Albaniajet]

8 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

The folks that down downvote this idea are INSANE!

The Jets didn't have Moore or Davis etc.  The Jets were sending out better lacrosse players than WR!  The idea that this year's skill position players are worse than last year's is preposterous!

This fanbase for the past year has been blaming Sam for everything while believing the neverending hype about Zach

 

Paradigms being shifted

[joewilly12]

Just now, Albaniajet said:

It doesn’t matter who the OC is Zach is not going to be a franchise qb

17 games to prove this wrong. 

If not 2022 draft another QB or sign a free agent. 

The QB stirs the drink. 

[bgivs21]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

While tough to diagnose based on a single screenshot, I'd say Zack missing (or at least not yet throwing to) an open man for the first over the middle.  The bunched receivers look messy in this screeny, but I can only presume they separated some after this?

Its 3&6 no point throwing to Kroft in the middle right away when he's 3 yards past the LOS. 

[Uncle Nicco]

1 minute ago, bgivs21 said:

Its 3&6 no point throwing to Kroft in the middle right away when he's 3 yards past the LOS. 

not to mention the defender has the outside leverage and Kroft is running away from the first down 

[kdels62]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

While tough to diagnose based on a single screenshot, I'd say Zack missing (or at least not yet throwing to) an open man for the first over the middle.  The bunched receivers look messy in this screeny, but I can only presume they separated some after this?

 

Maybe he should’ve let it rip to Davis when he cocks his arm back but he’s looking at Berrios. Either way 3 receivers and 4 defenders in a five yard space is crazy and in no way helps the rookie QB. Also of note there are 10 defenders on screen which means there’s still a deep safety over the top which is depressing.

[Uncle Nicco]

here is a video of the play, it’s dead on arrrival. Blaming Wilson  for this is criminal 

NOT TO MENTION THE FREE RUNNER UP THE A GAP

[sec101row23]

3 minutes ago, Pichula said:

here is a video of the play, it’s dead on arrrival. Blaming Wilson  for this is criminal 

NOT TO MENTION THE FREE RUNNER UP THE A GAP

Those route combinations are comical.  That can’t possibly be the way that play was drawn up.  

[Uncle Nicco]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

Those route combinations are comical.  That can’t possibly be the way that play was drawn up.  

The only defense I have of the play is that (I think) berrios seems to break free for what looks to be a huge gain but unfortunately there is a FREE RUSHER coming down the middle 

 

 

[Gastineau Lives]

54 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

2022 draft another QB or sign a free agent. 

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This is one of those things I read and I'm relieved it's just you saying it because it will never happen

[Gastineau Lives]

5 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Those route combinations are comical.  That can’t possibly be the way that play was drawn up.  

Which of those three receivers do you think Mims is supposed to learn to be?

[sec101row23]

 

[Matt39]

35 minutes ago, Pichula said:

here is a video of the play, it’s dead on arrrival. Blaming Wilson  for this is criminal 

NOT TO MENTION THE FREE RUNNER UP THE A GAP

I’m thinking someone ran the wrong route here 

[joewilly12]

28 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

This is one of those things I read and I'm relieved it's just you saying it because it will never happen

LMFAO you like what you see so far go figure.