Jets didn’t prepare for Minshew

[Scott Dierking]

11 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

For me at least, this became apparent with the NE games.  We just could not stop them on runs.   And not complex misdirection stuff.  But RBs going for 7, 8, 9 yards on first down straight up the middle.   That trend has continued in all our games.   We saw it all day yesterday with Sanders.

Bad angles, arm tackles. Yards After Contact is huge against the Jets.

[TuscanyTile2]

I just hope the coaching staff learns from this and comes in prepared for Drew Brees next Sunday.  

[munchmemory]

2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Bad angles, arm tackles. Yards After Contact is huge against the Jets.

Think we need to add that opposing O lines are blowing up our D line, creating huge running lanes. 

[Copernicus]

Bad game by the defense yesterday. No getting around it. Frustrating and embarrassing.   I just find it difficult to accept that our DC made it all the way up the ranks and became the leader of an NFL defense and is also totally incompetent at what he does. Is this what a new coach/players system looks like in year one? How have other struggling teams that eventually had success in recent years looked in year one? San Francisco? Bills? Chargers? Bengals? I did not run a spreadsheet but I think I can remember these teams having weeks where they looked totally inept also. 

[Scott Dierking]

If you are the Bengals, or the Titans, you have to be asking yourself, "How did we not put 40 on these guys".

[Copernicus]

Just now, Copernicus said:

Bad game by the defense yesterday against an above average OLine with a successful back up QB and little time to prepare. No getting around it, it was real bad. Frustrating and embarrassing.   I just find it difficult to accept that our DC made it all the way up the ranks and became the leader of an NFL defense and is also totally incompetent at what he does. Is this what a new coach/players system looks like in year one? How have other struggling teams that eventually had success in recent years looked in year one? San Francisco? Bills? Chargers? Bengals? I did not run a spreadsheet but I think I can remember these teams having weeks where they looked totally inept also. 

 

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, munchmemory said:

Think we need to add that opposing O lines are blowing up our D line, creating huge running lanes. 

Q for the Pro Bowl- Saleh.

[munchmemory]

1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I just hope the coaching staff learns from this and comes in prepared for Drew Brees next Sunday.  

Watch JAG Trevor Siemian light us up.  You know it's happening.   And if Kamara is back?  Good luck.

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, Copernicus said:

Bad game by the defense yesterday. No getting around it. Frustrating and embarrassing.   I just find it difficult to accept that our DC made it all the way up the ranks and became the leader of an NFL defense and is also totally incompetent at what he does. Is this what a new coach/players system looks like in year one? How have other struggling teams that eventually had success in recent years looked in year one? San Francisco? Bills? Chargers? Bengals? I did not run a spreadsheet but I think I can remember these teams having weeks where they looked totally inept also. 

Don't worry.  He said it won't happen again.

[Copernicus]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

Don't worry.  He said it won't happen again.

And what exactly do you want him to say in a press conference where he is forced to speak? 

[JustInFudge]

7 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

The more concerning aspect of the defensive coaching is the fact that they never adjust to what teams are doing to them.  How many passes did Dallas Goedert need to catch before someone finally adjusts the coverage?

 

I also think this whole philosophy where the corner backs don’t travel and just line up on the same side of the defense every play is foolish.  Its given opposing offenses an extremely easy time of creating mis-matches in their favor.  Saleh’s excuse that it would somehow cause too much confusion because guys would need to learn different roles is comical, especially when we heard all that B.S. about how the WRs need to learn all the WR positions.  
 

I get that the talent on defense isn’t great, but has this defense ever really fooled an offense?  When have we ever said “wow, what a great call or coverage”?   

It's because they admittedly dont adjust.  I've literally heard Ulrich say the offense doesnt dictate what we run.  Which is ******* asinine.  As mentioned in my last post the philosophy is that their base D can handle anything that comes their way, so they dont need to scheme week to week or make in game adjustments or try follow a WR or create a mismatch at the LOS.  They just line up, demand execution and throw their hands up when it doesnt happen.  I'm just not sure how this is going to be successful without have all world talent on D.

[jgb]

38 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

So maybe just time and stability are required to allow a HC about halfway through his first season to learn from his mistakes... And to be fair Saleh said they review film and prepare for the system and not a particular QB. The system doesn't change only what plays they might call in the system, he is partly right.

The biggest problem this team has is that they are making silly mistakes. Which is what happens with a young team that has very few veterans... They had more veterans but they have all been injured over time. So guildry taking a wrong angle on a screen resulting in a 30 yard play is the mistake of 1, not the whole system. Or a player slipping on the turf leaving the TE wide open, again is an execution problem not a coaching problem. Also, when said player slips on the turf, not having a safety help him out is a communication issue on part of the players being young, not a scheme issue.

Yeah, Saleh needs and will get time. But railing against everyone who pops off against Saleh out of frustration about the Jets abysmal defensive showing is like fighting a magma flow with a garden hose. What's the point? People are going to vent, so what.

[T0mShane]

10 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Bad angles, arm tackles. Yards After Contact is huge against the Jets.

The lack of athleticism on defense is so glaring. It looks like Ashtyn Davis is the only guy out there who runs under a 4.6/40.

[jgb]

41 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

What do you want, an out because of a Bryce Hall quote?  Im not trying to make anyone feel good, just trying to translate what Hall said 

I want what I always want. Truth.

[TuscanyTile2]

5 minutes ago, Copernicus said:

And what exactly do you want him to say in a press conference where he is forced to speak? 

I don't know if he actually said that after yesterday's game.  I was referring to the promise he made after 54-13, yet we've been embarrassed multiple times since.

As for "what do you want him to say", I rather enjoy his empty promises.  They bring a little bit of levity to another dreadful season.

[JoeDouglasFart]

1 hour ago, Skeptable said:

Bowles has a Superbowl ring

Bowles- HC

Rex - DC

Gase - OC

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

I found this admission by Bryce Hall stunning. It was later backed up by CJ. 
 

Coaching negligence to me. Is this why Saleh was losing his mind on the sideline? 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/12/06/robert-saleh-left-jets-unprepared-for-eagles-gardner-minshew/amp/

 

As of week 13, Saleh's team almost NEVER looks prepared.   

[Matt39]

5 minutes ago, jgb said:

I want what I always want. Truth.

I don’t see how this is out of context. He flat out said they didn’t prepare for Minshew to be the starter.

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, JoeDouglasFart said:

Bowles- HC

Rex - DC

Gase - OC

If you love back-stabbing and bus-tossing, this is your ticket.

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I don’t see how this is out of context. He flat out said they didn’t prepare for Minshew to be the starter.

I didn't say he wasn't be truthful. He asked what I want, and I answered his question as I do every time it's asked of me on here. I guess I also could've said $10M and Jessica Biel.

[sec101row23]

5 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

It's because they admittedly dont adjust.  I've literally heard Ulrich say the offense doesnt dictate what we run.  Which is ******* asinine.  As mentioned in my last post the philosophy is that their base D can handle anything that comes their way, so they dont need to scheme week to week or make in game adjustments or try follow a WR or create a mismatch at the LOS.  They just line up, demand execution and throw their hands up when it doesnt happen.  I'm just not sure how this is going to be successful without have all world talent on D.

It’s disturbing to watch because there are plays where this defense is beat before the offense even snaps the ball.  Watching a 5’9” Javelin Guidry cover Goedert or JFM and Bryce Huff cover Kyle Pitts is just insanity.   It’s just so easy calling plays against this defense.   

[jgb]

29 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Q for the Pro Bowl- Saleh.

Unfortunately, there isn't a special category for "situational DT."

[slimjasi]

Mike White would have prepared for Minshew!

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

This isn’t news. The offense is the same. It’s not like they’re going from a statue to Lamar Jackson. 
The defense/coaching is bad but this isn’t a reason. 

[Sonny Werblin]

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Jets didn’t prepare for Minshew

In fairness, can anyone ever really be prepared for Gardner Minshew? 

Seriously though, once I saw Minshew was starting, I knew he was going to have a big game. The guy is a baller. There are about 11 NFL teams starting QBs that are not currently as good as Minshew. 

[Larz]

Someone get woody away from his faberge eggs and tell him lol

[Jet Nut]

30 minutes ago, jgb said:

I want what I always want. Truth.

Truth is we’re outmanned pretty much every week.  Between the age and injuries to the unit they have to play out of their minds just to be acceptable defense.  And that’s a loose description

[munchmemory]

1 minute ago, Larz said:

Someone get woody away from his faberge eggs and tell him lol

[CrazyCarl40]

To be fair, there is no realistic way to prepare for the awesomeness that is Minshew. 

[jgb]

12 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Mike White would have prepared for Minshew!

Wrong. Mike White doesn't need to prepare for anybody.

[Augustiniak]

1 hour ago, munchmemory said:

Looks like the Saleh/Ulbrich tandem forgot how to prepare the team again for RBs going straight up the middle for big runs all day, too.   Seems like a weekly (weakly?) event so you would figure someone could provide an answer.

Seriously.  The eagles ran 41 times for 185 yards.  That’s the problem with this defense. 

[Copernicus]

5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I don't know if he actually said that after yesterday's game.  I was referring to the promise he made after 54-13, yet we've been embarrassed multiple times since.

As for "what do you want him to say", I rather enjoy his empty promises.  They bring a little bit of levity to another dreadful season.

I find it confusing why anyone would dissect the words verbatim of a 22 year old player and/or a coach in a first year position minutes after the intensity of an NFL football game and not try to see the bigger picture. The defense for whatever reason looked decent the first month of the season with most to all rookies and second year players and have gotten worse in recent weeks (with glimpses of success in between). What is the alternative? Keep firing HC (s), something that this organization has been criticized in the past? What quality DC or HC would we higher now knowing if their is not immediate success with rookie/second year players you are fired within the season? Should we have fired La Fluer a few weeks back? How about cutting Zach now? How'd cutting the kicker we spent 3/4 of a season developing work out this past week? Think there's a chance next kicker we attempt to bring in doesnt sign knowing he's done if he doesnt make all FG attempts in game 1 he's gone? 

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

To be fair, there is no realistic way to prepare for the awesomeness that is Minshew. 

He's a sneaky good player and can hurt you if you let him.

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, Copernicus said:

I find it confusing why anyone would dissect the words verbatim of a 22 year old player and/or a coach in a first year position minutes after the intensity of an NFL football game and not try to see the bigger picture. The defense for whatever reason looked decent the first month of the season with most to all rookies and second year players and have gotten worse in recent weeks (with glimpses of success in between). What is the alternative? Keep firing HC (s), something that this organization has been criticized in the past? What quality DC or HC would we higher now knowing if their is not immediate success with rookie/second year players you are fired within the season? Should we have fired La Fluer a few weeks back? How about cutting Zach now? How'd cutting the kicker we spent 3/4 of a season developing work out this past week? Think there's a chance next kicker we attempt to bring in doesnt sign knowing he's done if he doesnt make all FG attempts in game 1 he's gone? 

You must be fun at parties.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

Saleh was losing it because the officiating was bad yesterday.  I don't  normally  complain about refs but it seemed like they did everything they could to make calls that helped the Eagles. 

there was a spread to cover