The Jets Need A Bill Parcells Level Change

[hotrodcharlie]

33 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I guess they are hesitant to pay Lamar what he wants, but why would the Ravens let John Harbaugh go? 

They wouldn’t. Just like the Patriots didn’t want to let Parcells go and the Jets didn’t want to let Belichick go

[slimjasi]

Just now, hotrodcharlie said:

They wouldn’t. Just like the Patriots didn’t want to let Parcells go and the Jets didn’t want to let Belichick go

A million years ago and Parcells probably only came here to spite Kraft and BB only left here to spite Parcells. 

[THE BARON]

At the end of this season, which will doubtless be by the last week in October, I recommend pooling our money to pay for another aircraft banner flight over the MetLife tailgate for the home game against the Pats on October 30th !

And the banner will read...

BRING BACK REX !!!

[jgb]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh God @Joe W. Namath will be insufferable.  

Until the dolphins atomize the Jets 58-10 (with Teddy Bridewater out-producing Tua who is given the night off at the half). Then he will be melting down calling for public hangings of Saleh et al.

[Morrissey]

20 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

not sure if youi noticed Joe D in charge bringing building the roster correctly fixing among other things, the front office structure and scouting...nothing Joe has done has been inept. some people can just never be happy SOJF

sir you need to come back down to reality

[BornJetsFan1983]

2 hours ago, Morrissey said:

sir you need to come back down to reality

idk man you are the one arguing the clean up guy is making the mess.

[68JET11]

All anyone hopes for is a HC that is competent...  and knows how to pick a good staff. Someone who will tell JD that there is talent on this team, now go out and get me TRENCH players.

[bostonmajet]

Roster still has its problems, but it has been dramatically upgraded. Rookie HC have a tough time as they are normally only given a chance to terrible teams. I think the culture may be changing, but that may not be enough. I wouldn't expect a 'great' coach to swoop in and save the day. It is also hard to find said coach. Is BB a great coach? Most would say yes, but how does he look now that he doesn't have Brady and his OC? Bowles was a terrible coach, but he might just get into the SB now that he has Brady - that would put BB in a bad place as Brady has won a SB without him, and BB has been crap without Brady.

Sadly, the only real chance for the Jets to be any good over the next few years, IMO, is patience and hope that Saleh can learn from his mistakes and ZW will be become a better than average QB. A burn it down and start over will be the likely outcome of a major regime change.

[Morrissey]

15 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

idk man you are the one arguing the clean up guy is making the mess.

the roster is Joe Douglas's. He built it.

[Averagejetsfan1421]

How many times can you try to change a culture, maybe this is jets culture, but getting rid of every gm and coach after 2 3 years is definitely not going to make people want to come here especially with this fan base 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

I want a successful HC just so I can't stop seeing Jet fans mentioning Bill Parcells. 

[kevinc855]

On 9/27/2022 at 6:50 PM, BornJetsFan1983 said:

not sure if youi noticed Joe D in charge bringing building the roster correctly fixing among other things, the front office structure and scouting...nothing Joe has done has been inept. some people can just never be happy SOJF

and what is there to show for all this "culture changing" or whatever its called besides a bad football team who still gets whacked every sunday

[#27TheDominator]

I literally cannot disagree more.  Most of the time these big money douchebags roll in and just cash paychecks while ******* around.  The only real help is that they usually have the players attention.  I don't see that as the problem with this group now.  Did Parcells even really "work" here?  He had a Rex level couple of years, sh*t the bed with Mirer and then ran out before he could taint his legacy. 1998 looked magical, but what are the odds of getting another Testicles level QB performance?  The going got tough and his vaunted D and no turnovers offense sh*t the bed and handed Denver the Super Bowl.  He hasn't won a playoff game since.  Do you want another established guy like Jon Gruden?  I heard we should have thrown bank at him for years.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I literally cannot disagree more.  Most of the time these big money douchebags roll in and just cash paychecks while ******* around.  The only real help is that they usually have the players attention.  I don't see that as the problem with this group now.  Did Parcells even really "work" here?  He had a Rex level couple of years, sh*t the bed with Mirer and then ran out before he could taint his legacy. 1998 looked magical, but what are the odds of getting another Testicles level QB performance?  The going got tough and his vaunted D and no turnovers offense sh*t the bed and handed Denver the Super Bowl.  He hasn't won a playoff game since.  Do you want another established guy like Jon Gruden?  I heard we should have thrown bank at him for years.

 

[derp]

On 9/27/2022 at 7:55 PM, jgb said:

OP is correct, this is what we need. Many others in the thread are also correct, there's little chance any guys who fit the bill are coming here. The only reason we got Parcells was because he needed a platform to stick it to Robert Kraft within the AFC-E.

The highest paid HC is estimated (many not public) to be McVay around $15M/year. Payton will 100% break the record and be $20M+.

Woody's only shot is to fire Saleh mid-season and get an early jump on Payton before anyone else and offer him some obscene amount like $30M for 5 years fully guaranteed. And give him whatever control he wants.

Heard a solid take on a podcast about the theoretical value of a coach like Payton. Guy adds wins, won't get hurt, and whatever you pay him doesn't count against the salary cap. 

[Asymmetrical]

I'm going on the record that the most logical outcome of handing Payton $50 million is he accidentally texts Costello a picture of himself using a minor as one of those human sushi plates but for cocaine. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

I literally cannot disagree more.  Most of the time these big money douchebags roll in and just cash paychecks while ******* around.  The only real help is that they usually have the players attention.  I don't see that as the problem with this group now.  Did Parcells even really "work" here?  He had a Rex level couple of years, sh*t the bed with Mirer and then ran out before he could taint his legacy. 1998 looked magical, but what are the odds of getting another Testicles level QB performance?  The going got tough and his vaunted D and no turnovers offense sh*t the bed and handed Denver the Super Bowl.  He hasn't won a playoff game since.  Do you want another established guy like Jon Gruden?  I heard we should have thrown bank at him for years.

 

Yeah let's not go after a guy like Sean Payton and keep going with the hot young Coordinator route.  Has worked swell.  

[BornJetsFan1983]

2 hours ago, Morrissey said:

the roster is Joe Douglas's. He built it.

exactly! he cleaned it up. people forget exactly where we were when he took the reigns and how much better it is right now. Thank iyou Joe D.

[Greensleeves]

OK - the guy that cost us Peyton Manning AND Bellichek - sounds good. 

[Randy Rasmussen]

Yes we need Parcells, the most stubborn coach in Jets history.
A coach who’s stubbornness cost us 2 playoff births in the 3 years he was here. I would rather have
players screw things up rather than an egomaniac as a coach who hasn’t won poop without Belichek behind the scenes.


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[Sperm Edwards]

On 9/28/2022 at 11:51 AM, Jetsfan80 said:

For 11 games Favre gave us the best QB play this franchise has seen, arguably, since Namath.  Even '02 Pennington, '98 Testaverde and 2015 Fitzpatrick weren't as good as Favre was in that stretch.  

Beggars can't be choosers.  If Rodgers is an option....

 

I'm just seeing this now, and what? It was absolutely exciting getting a big name QB here, made that much more so after the '07 season QB woes, but I think that's getting overrated a bit.

It was barely an every other game occurrence for Favre to throw more TDs than INTs. Most of the first 11 games that year also occurred with at least one Favre fumble. 

It was fun because we were winning, but right from that first toss to Stuckey, all he did was throw it up in the air & hope it landed in a Jets receiver's hands - hence the picks - while the game's premiere pass-blocking OL bought him all the time he needed. Most of those opponents weren't exactly the who's who of pass defenses either.

Even I'd have to grudgingly admit Pennington's '02 season was noticeably better. Even more so if we grade the noodle on the same curve  you're affording Favre: cherry-picking Noodle's only his best 11-12 game stretch after getting his sea legs under him vs KC through that first playoff game vs the Colts.

Do that, and further qualify it with the knowledge that the team hadn't scored 14 points combined over the prior 3 games before his first start, and the comparison isn't particularly close.