Derek Carr fixes this immediately

[T0mShane]

Breer on the Carr-Raiders divorce: Carr is soft(?), lacks accountability, and is bad in the clutch%

Well, there are a few reasons for it, beyond just his 63–79 record as a starter, which, to be fair, is in part on him and in part a product of his surroundings. 

• The first issue, as I understand it, connects to his fit with a new culture that draws hard lines on toughness and accountability. The second and third can be drawn from there. 

• On the former—toughness—Carr has had a reputation for not hanging in the pocket, letting plays develop and taking a hit to strike downfield. That showed at times. One was against the Steelers in Week 16, on third-and-5 in the fourth quarter, with 3:07 left. The Steelers got pushed up the middle and rather than hold the ball and buy time, Carr quickly threw it over Davante Adams’s head and into the bench area—when Adams was in single coverage and would’ve had a chance to make a play downfield. Other issues from earlier in his career (like his ability to play in the cold) resurfaced, as well.

 

• On the latter—accountability—there was a feeling, among coaches and players, that Carr hadn’t shouldered his share of the blame for the mountain of close losses that piled up over the weeks, with the Thursday-night loss to the Rams, a prime example.

• The fourth element I could ascertain was an ability to make the plays to turn close losses into wins, with Carr missing a wide-open Hunter Renfrow high on his game-sealing pick in Pittsburgh as the most recent example.

• And fifth, and this relates back to knowing when to take risks with the ball, is how much the Raiders were able to get from Adams in his first season. Adams’s numbers, to be sure, were fantastic with Carr in there (88 catches, 1,290 yards, 12 TDs). But even still, there was a lot of meat left on the bone with Vegas’s headlining acquisition of 2022.

[jgb]

I yearn for the day such things are considered criticism for a Jets QB.

[undertow]

We have no other choice but to sign a vet QB but I guarantee that dudes who are looking at stat sheets are gonna be highly disappointed after half a season of watching Derek Carr play football. lol

[AFJF]

4 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

Make better thread titles dude. 

Or read entire posts before commenting.  Dude?

[TuscanyTile2]

To steal a joke from Jeff Ross:

If Derek Carr is the answer then there's something wrong with the question.

[slimjasi]

I'm interested in Carr, but either way, we need a better OL and better TEs. 

Injuries were a major issue, as they always are for us

[GangGreened]

This team is screwed either way.
 

Everyone said Saleh and Douglas were trying their careers to ZW even before we drafted him. He busted, they will both be gone in 24.

[AFJF]

54 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Breer on the Carr-Raiders divorce: Carr is soft(?), lacks accountability, and is bad in the clutch%

Well, there are a few reasons for it, beyond just his 63–79 record as a starter, which, to be fair, is in part on him and in part a product of his surroundings. 

• The first issue, as I understand it, connects to his fit with a new culture that draws hard lines on toughness and accountability. The second and third can be drawn from there. 

• On the former—toughness—Carr has had a reputation for not hanging in the pocket, letting plays develop and taking a hit to strike downfield. That showed at times. One was against the Steelers in Week 16, on third-and-5 in the fourth quarter, with 3:07 left. The Steelers got pushed up the middle and rather than hold the ball and buy time, Carr quickly threw it over Davante Adams’s head and into the bench area—when Adams was in single coverage and would’ve had a chance to make a play downfield. Other issues from earlier in his career (like his ability to play in the cold) resurfaced, as well.

 

• On the latter—accountability—there was a feeling, among coaches and players, that Carr hadn’t shouldered his share of the blame for the mountain of close losses that piled up over the weeks, with the Thursday-night loss to the Rams, a prime example.

• The fourth element I could ascertain was an ability to make the plays to turn close losses into wins, with Carr missing a wide-open Hunter Renfrow high on his game-sealing pick in Pittsburgh as the most recent example.

• And fifth, and this relates back to knowing when to take risks with the ball, is how much the Raiders were able to get from Adams in his first season. Adams’s numbers, to be sure, were fantastic with Carr in there (88 catches, 1,290 yards, 12 TDs). But even still, there was a lot of meat left on the bone with Vegas’s headlining acquisition of 2022.

Carr was drafted in 2014.  Since that time, the Raiders have never finished higher than 20th in points allowed.

During that same time, their defense has ranked 25th or worse five times in points allowed.

 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

6 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Hard to believe there are Jet fans who believe that Derek Carr is the answer.  This team has broken its fan base.

You are so broken that you want to bring in a 46 year old Tom Brady. Think about that. 

[AFJF]

2 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

This team is screwed either way.
 

Everyone said Saleh and Douglas were trying their careers to ZW even before we drafted him. He busted, they will both be gone in 24.

Some people also say the earth is flat and birds aren't real.

People saying/believing stupid stuff doesn't mean Joe D is getting the boot.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

You are so broken that you want to bring in a 46 year old Tom Brady. Think about that. 

[AFJF]

6 hours ago, OilfieldJet said:

I would take Carr. He would be the best QB starting for the team in the last 15 years.

I think you mean 50.

[JetPotato]

9 hours ago, AFJF said:

Then maybe time to stop watching, because Woody isn't selling.

Dying is unpredictable 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

7 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

So? Derek Carr 2021:

17

626

428

68.4

4804

7.7

61

23

14

217

34.7

67

40

241

94

[JetPotato]

7 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

We get to spend an offseason trying to convince ourselves that Raiders' castoff, Derek Carr is the answer.

* Sigh *

Not THE answer. But the best possible answer available.

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

So? Derek Carr 2021:

17

626

428

68.4

4804

7.7

61

23

14

217

34.7

67

40

241

94

Is that why the Raiders are cutting him?

[BigRy56]

The idea that fans turn their noses up at Carr because he’s not elite enough is crazy. This is a big problem for the Jets and their fans. So busy chasing the rare and elite so much that we forget that it’s OK to get good consistent production. So busy aiming high that when you miss, you are a miserable franchise.

The Jets could waste their current talent, continue to miss the playoffs, and try to tank for a new QB just for them to bust out. Or they could plug the issue right now. Carr could give the Jets 5 years of rock solid QB play and would probably break all of the Jets passing records relatively quickly.

This is a no brainer. Kirk Cousins gets bashed the same way and has been playing for the 1 seed in the NFC all year. No brainer.

[jgb]

At least it’ll be a change of pace around here this off-season to argue about QBs we don’t have rather than about those we do.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Is that why the Raiders are cutting him?

Why is Tom Brady not going back to Tampa in 2023?

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

The idea that fans turn their noses up at Carr because he’s not elite enough is crazy. This is a big problem for the Jets and their fans. So busy chasing the rare and elite so much that we forget that it’s OK to get good consistent production. So busy aiming high that when you miss, you are a miserable franchise.

The Jets could waste their current talent, continue to miss the playoffs, and try to tank for a new QB just for them to bust out. Or they could plug the issue right now. Carr could give the Jets 5 years of rock solid QB play and would probably break all of the Jets passing records relatively quickly.

This is a no brainer. Kirk Cousins gets bashed the same way and has been playing for the 1 seed in the NFC all year. No brainer.

We're going to get locked into a long-term deal with a lot of guaranteed money for a guy who just isn't "the guy".  He's already on the downside and will only get worse with time.

If they want to aim big (e.g. TB12, Aaron Rodgers), I'm fine with that.  But barring that, just find a guy (hopefully with some upside) who we won't be locked into.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Why is Tom Brady not going back to Tampa in 2023?

Because he'll choose to go elsewhere.  

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Because he'll choose to go elsewhere.  

[Barry McCockinner]

7 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Because he'll choose to go elsewhere.  

He's going wherever Sean Payton goes.

[BigRy56]

6 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

We're going to get locked into a long-term deal with a lot of guaranteed money for a guy who just isn't "the guy".  He's already on the downside and will only get worse with time.

If they want to aim big (e.g. TB12, Aaron Rodgers), I'm fine with that.  But barring that, just find a guy (hopefully with some upside) who we won't be locked into.

Define the guy - IMO having the guy at QB means you don’t have to worry about the position, which the Jets wouldn’t for 5+ years. He’s 31 and in the prime of his career, he’s not on the downside. Brady and Rodgers are as they approach 40 and 50. I understand there’s different levels of ‘the guy’. Carr isn’t Mahomes but he can certainly be a fringe top 10 QB right away.

[Ron Rico]

Another Neil O'Donnell.

JOYEAUX NOEL!

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

Define the guy - IMO having the guy at QB means you don’t have to worry about the position, which the Jets wouldn’t for 5+ years. He’s 31 and in the prime of his career, he’s not on the downside. Brady and Rodgers are as they approach 40 and 50. I understand there’s different levels of ‘the guy’. Carr isn’t Mahomes but he can certainly be a fringe top 10 QB right away.

If that was true then why would the Raiders release him?  Even if they were a rebuilding team they'd want to keep or trade him.  

[peebag]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

If Saleh gets to the Super Bowl with Zach, loses, and then decides he needs a QB who is marginally better than Zach to get the team over the edge, I agree that Carr would be a good enough QB for that. 

So, never?

[Skeet Ulrich]

I’m not a huge fan but the guy who benched Carr thought Tim Tebow was a viable NFL QB. I wouldn’t take his assessment of the QB position as gospel.

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, Coquito said:

Another Neil O'Donnell.

JOYEAUX NOEL!

Exactly

[bitonti]

5 hours ago, BCJet said:

For the people who are saying that Carr doesnt fix anything or isnt very good, etc what exactly are you all proposing?

Mike White - I think that ship has sailed

Aaron Rogers - sure, lets give up multiple firsts, huge cap hits and pray that he even remotely cares about football?

Minshew - played bad yesterday so he obviously sucks

1st round draft pick - sure, lets overdraft someone in the middle of the first round 

Derek Carr isnt great, that is why he is available, if he was a cant miss, definitive help to the team, then he wouldnt be available.  This team needs to do something to fix QB and I dont think firing Saleh is the answer so the next "big move" will be to make a splash move at QB and Carr is likely the best possibility of a mediocore bunch.

We are going to watch Jimmy G get hurt the first month of the season and Zach will play the rest of the year. 

Spoiler alert, it won't go well 

[rangerous]

derek carr is a crybaby.  they need to go for rodgers or some other win now guy.

[peebag]

4 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

Define the guy - IMO having the guy at QB means you don’t have to worry about the position, which the Jets wouldn’t for 5+ years. He’s 31 and in the prime of his career, he’s not on the downside. Brady and Rodgers are as they approach 40 and 50. I understand there’s different levels of ‘the guy’. Carr isn’t Mahomes but he can certainly be a fringe top 10 QB right away.

So, Carr just failed in an offense that was 10x more talented than the Jets but he should revitalize our offense which got worse as the year went on.

Is that what you're saying?

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, peebag said:

So, Carr just failed in an offense that was 10x more talented than the Jets but he should revitalize our offense which got worse as the year went on.

Is that what you're saying?

Derek Carr is our savior - LMAO!

[Embrace the Suck]

I doubt anyone (QB) fixes this immediately until we have a competent OC. Boy wonder's big brother went into GB and started a feud with Arron Rodgers (who interestingly said the offense needed to be simplified and talked about execution (sounds familiar))... If that doesn't strike one as an ego situation (my scheme is bigger than the team) than what does, and it seems to run in the family. 

[RSJ]

I hope Derek Carr likes spotting the other team 17 points to start a game and then having the special teams cause a few lost possessions a game. Completely foolish to think a change at QB changes this mess.


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