Lafleur has NOT been fired!! (merged title references unsubstantiated claim. please refrain from hilarious parody threads)

[jgb]

12 minutes ago, August said:

He wasn’t “fired” they just mutually agreed to part ways. 

[oatmeal]

4 minutes ago, JTJet said:

I don't believe that for a hot second. 

Facts 

this is a clown show yet again, scapegoating LaFleur isn’t going to save BYU, Saleh or JD

Woody should just clean house now 

[JTJet]

1 minute ago, oatmeal said:

Facts 

this is a clown show yet again, scapegoating LaFleur isn’t going to save BYU, Saleh or JD

Woody should just clean house now 

They didnt scapegoat anyone. He deserved this for damn sure, make no doubt about that.

With that being said, it is still a clown show and the team still isnt going to be saved by this. 

[BornJetsFan1983]

11 minutes ago, JTJet said:

They didnt scapegoat anyone. He deserved this for damn sure, make no doubt about that.

With that being said, it is still a clown show and the team still isnt going to be saved by this. 

I mean seem like the opposite of clown show, any well run ream would sack the off coordinator after this type of season. Not just rationalizing poor performance with injuries or Z wilson is sign of a mature GM doing the right things for the team. Especially when you factor in who the HC is and his relationship with Lafluer. 

Im sure didnt want to fire him, but his boy put him in a bad spot. I am sure he and Joe came up wiht this hole persue other opportunities thing....well Im msure that Joe Douglas informed Saleh that is how you can handle it if you think another Off coordinator would be best for the team.

Good job Joe and Saleh for makign the right choice. We dont need a bad Off Coordinator on top of bad play at QB.

 

[JTJet]

1 minute ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

I mean seem like the opposite of clown show, any well run ream would sack the off coordinator after this type of season. Not just rationalizing poor performance with injuries or Z wilson is sign of a mature GM doing the right things for the team. Especially when you factor in who the HC is and his relationship with Lafluer. 

Im sure didnt want to fire him, but his boy put him in a bad spot. I am sure he and Joe came up wiht this hole persue other opportunities thing....well Im msure that Joe Douglas informed Saleh that is how you can handle it if you think another Off coordinator would be best for the team.

Good job Joe and Saleh for makign the right choice. We dont need a bad Off Coordinator on top of bad play at QB.

 

The mistake youre making here is thinking JD or Saleh came up with the idea to let Lafleur go. 

[Paradis]

32 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Agree with most of the above. My read on all of this is that Saleh, Ulbrich, and LaFleur are new-age soft-bois, but it was LaFleur who got tested the most, tried his hand at being a tough guy, got little to no support from a mushy Saleh, and it all went how it went. There were no adults in the room, and the team unspooled as a result. 

Or, Saleh's philosophy was to give MLF opportunities to live by his own sword or fall on it... but, the pressure cooker that is the NFL and NY media handicapped that process playing out... Compressed  into micro timelines that were not going to work. MLF was not going to grow up and manage his sh*t in 10 weeks. That takes resilience and evolving as a leader over a couple years many bumps in the road.  

Shorter version, i don't believe Rob is a millennial softie. I think he's used to letting others be accountable, to a fault. He has governance over the roster and needs to performance managers his reports. 

[Rich Thornburgh]

34 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

Facts 

this is a clown show yet again, scapegoating LaFleur isn’t going to save BYU, Saleh or JD

Woody should just clean house now 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Or, Saleh's philosophy was to give MLF opportunities to live by his own sword or fall on it... but, the pressure cooker that is the NFL and NY media handicapped that process playing out... Compressed  into micro timelines that were not going to work. MLF was not going to grow up and manage his sh*t in 10 weeks. That takes resilience and evolving as a leader over a couple years many bumps in the road.  

Shorter version, i don't believe Rob is a millennial softie. I think he's used to letting others be accountable, to a fault. He has governance over the roster and needs to performance managers his reports. 

I don’t get this…what is LaFleur’s sword in this scenario? 

[Charlie Brown]

2 hours ago, football guy said:

They never told Zach when he did something wrong, and it very rarely came from LaFleur. So Elijah is absolutely right when he says that players were coached differently... The first time they actually told him to stop the persistent running outside the pocket was after the NE game. For Elijah, it was far earlier on, but he too got the "you're not doing anything wrong" until he complained about his own usage, and that's when they basically pulled the "well you're actually doing this, this, and this wrong" 

Very childish all around 

IF THIS IS EVEN REMOTELY TRUE.......

Then this is simply asinine and tells me that they DON"T know what they are doing and that they are INDEED responsible for Zach Wilson's regression!

GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!

[playtowinthegame]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

He WaS NoT FiReD!

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t get this…what is LaFleur’s sword in this scenario? 

His offense. His scheme, his playbook. 

If you read some of the accounts (that i did, anyway) of Saleh pre-Jets, especially pre-D. Coordinator, he was almost unapologetically unmarried to anyone/thing. Hard worker, good at what he does, motivator, etc, but if you fell off a cliff tomorrow, I won't lose any sleep over it -- if that makes sense. 

I think he gave MFL too much leash. too much credit and missed the road signs to step in. That's likely over simplifying, but as a leader there's a time and place to let operations sink or swim by virtue of its supervisors, and when to step in and role model what's needed to course correct. 

[Charlie Brown]

2 hours ago, JTJet said:

I knew it!

Anybody that's managed large amounts of people could tell this type of stuff was going on. You could sense it from what they said in press conferences versus their actions.

Sad.

THIS IS CRAZY!!!!!

Zach Wilson CAN'T coach himself, HE ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!!!

 

[Charlie Brown]

2 hours ago, BP said:

 

What a sh*t show. They don’t know wtf they’re doing.  Except for printing out slogans on T shirts. 

I told you in another post my friend that we have been around long enough to see this go down fast and here we go!!!

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

51 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

I mean seem like the opposite of clown show, any well run ream would sack the off coordinator after this type of season. Not just rationalizing poor performance with injuries or Z wilson is sign of a mature GM doing the right things for the team. Especially when you factor in who the HC is and his relationship with Lafluer. 

Im sure didnt want to fire him, but his boy put him in a bad spot. I am sure he and Joe came up wiht this hole persue other opportunities thing....well Im msure that Joe Douglas informed Saleh that is how you can handle it if you think another Off coordinator would be best for the team.

Good job Joe and Saleh for makign the right choice. We dont need a bad Off Coordinator on top of bad play at QB.

 

It’s a clown show because this most likely didn’t come from saleh. Most likely woody

[Charlie Brown]

2 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said:

If they aren’t even coaching him how do you know if he’s not any good?  This sounds like inexcusable management at a Taco Bell.  

This is what folks don't get....

The Jets are LITERALLY telling ZACH WILSON TO COACH HIMSELF!!!!

[Charlie Brown]

2 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said:

A rookie QB absolutely needs good coaching and they can be held back.  If you get a good QB coach in here you can find out what you have. 

 

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Trevor Lawrence would be called the BIGGEST BUST in NFL history with this level of "coaching"

I am spitting mad!!!

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, Paradis said:

His offense. His scheme, his playbook. 

If you read some of the accounts (that i did, anyway) of Saleh pre-Jets, especially pre-D. Coordinator, he was almost unapologetically unmarried to anyone/thing. Hard worker, good at what he does, motivator, etc, but if you fell off a cliff tomorrow, I won't lose any sleep over it -- if that makes sense. 

I think he gave MFL too much leash. too much credit and missed the road signs to step in. That's likely over simplifying, but as a leader there's a time and place to let operations sink or swim by virtue of its supervisors, and when to step in and role model what's needed to course correct. 

I get what you’re saying, but if this was the case, Saleh should be fired tomorrow because he gave an unqualified, inexperienced buddy an extremely difficult, high-leverage job with a garbage QB room…and didn’t see this as a potential problem? That is the definition of failure of leadership

[Charlie Brown]

MLF IS GONE and after the revelations in this thread SALEH SHOULD BE NEXT!!!!

[Jet_Engine1]

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Hughes said it explicitly yesterday: Woody reads his mentions and would try to curry favor with the psychos on Twitter. 

I can confirm that he reads his Twitter mentions, because I asked him “wyd?” and tagged him in screenshots I had of him liking incest lesbian porn because he was flooding my activity feed on Instagram with his perversions.

I was blocked on Twitter no less than 15 minutes later.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Mogglez said:

I can confirm that he reads his Twitter mentions, because I asked him “wyd?” and tagged him in. screenshots of him liking incest lesbian porn that popped up in my activity feed on Instagram.

I was blocked on Twitter no less than 15 minutes later.

That’s terrible and also hit me with them links, hot boy

[Matt39]

@Mogglez JD thanked “Ira” in his PC yesterday. Who’s Ira? Ira in Staten Island?

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

4 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I can confirm that he reads his Twitter mentions, because I asked him “wyd?” and tagged him in screenshots I had of him liking incest lesbian porn because he was flooding my activity feed on Instagram with his perversions.

I was blocked on Twitter no less than 15 minutes later.

Rightfully so. MIND YO BIZNAS!

[Mogglez]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

That’s terrible and also hit me with them links, hot boy

Just tried looking up “Woody Johnson lesbian porn” on Google to see if I could spot which videos he was looking at based on thumbnails from people who screenshot it, and guess what I’m never unseeing?

[Mogglez]

3 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Rightfully so. MIND YO BIZNAS!

MY ACTIVITY FEED WAS DESECRATED NON-STOP, THAT MAKES IT MY BIZNAS.

[Mogglez]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

@Mogglez JD thanked “Ira” in his PC yesterday. Who’s Ira? Ira in Staten Island?

Genuinely unsure.  I didn’t watch it, I just followed the tweets.

[Matt39]

Just now, Mogglez said:

Genuinely unsure.  I didn’t watch it, I just followed the tweets.

Gotcha. After he thanked Woody he thanked Ira.

[Mogglez]

11 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Gotcha. After he thanked Woody he thanked Ira.

Could be Ira Axelrod, Woody’s attorney and close confidant.

[dbatesman]

16 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Gotcha. After he thanked Woody he thanked Ira.

https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/3580823

[Paradis]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I get what you’re saying, but if this was the case, Saleh should be fired tomorrow because he gave an unqualified, inexperienced buddy an extremely difficult, high-leverage job with a garbage QB room…and didn’t see this as a potential problem? That is the definition of failure of leadership

That part, I have been critical of since phase 1 of the Salad days. You can’t put a rookie HC/OC/QB combo out there and not leave with pie on your face. 

 

[Integrity28]

8 minutes ago, Paradis said:

That part, I have been critical of since phase 1 of the Salad days. You can’t put a rookie HC/OC/QB combo out there and not leave with pie on your face. 

 

How about bukake? Asking for a friend. @woodyjohnson

[BornJetsFan1983]

2 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

It’s a clown show because this most likely didn’t come from saleh. Most likely woody

Bro you don't think Saleh recognized that the offense sucked monkey balls? Could have been his first play off run, could have been hc coach of the year. No bro it is Saleh decision. This is highschool chess club where the teach makes the moves...it's Saleh team and he made the move. Understandably so.

[BornJetsFan1983]

3 hours ago, JTJet said:

The mistake youre making here is thinking JD or Saleh came up with the idea to let Lafleur go. 

It's was Saleh and JD for sure. They knew he sucked. Everyone does. They gave him all the rope in the world and it's work . Everyone knows the Business. La fluer knows he messed up and cost them play offs, coach of the year etc. He also knows he can't get the offense to work so his best bet is elsewhere. Everyone s best bet. This idea Saleh didn't make the call with Joe is ridiculous 

[Hal N of Provo]

4 hours ago, Matt39 said:

I think an under the radar story was the WR coach getting pinched for gambling. Also one of the in the know posters was saying he wasn’t exactly at the facility often. Sounds like Saleh hasn’t done a great job setting expectations. Who knows where Douglas falls into this (Saleh allegedly reports to him)

Also WRs never looked prepared.  Weird that their coach was never preparing.  WTF.  Burn it all down.  

4 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

Amazing how you guys talked this into existence in a matter of hours

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4 hours ago, jgb said:

Woody has always been susceptible to outside pressure 

=

So uh, @T0mShane asked who really runs the Jets.  I guess all doubt removed? Thank goodness in this case.  MLF and his staff was a disaster.  

[Hal N of Provo]

6 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

It's was Saleh and JD for sure. They knew he sucked. Everyone does. They gave him all the rope in the world and it's work . Everyone knows the Business. La fluer knows he messed up and cost them play offs, coach of the year etc. He also knows he can't get the offense to work so his best bet is elsewhere. Everyone s best bet. This idea Saleh didn't make the call with Joe is ridiculous 

Plus Saleh not pledging commitment  has been him telling what’s happening consistently.  I don’t believe the “inner struggles” stuff out there.