Lafleur has NOT been fired!! (merged title references unsubstantiated claim. please refrain from hilarious parody threads)

[JetPotato]

59 minutes ago, Jets Things said:

She's still an 11.

Nope. Just being a realist. Age happens.

[Biggs]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

She could lose a leg and still be the hottest woman I hooked up with.

I'll take the leg.  Always been a leg man.  

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

Normally, I’d assume this wax the case. I wouldn’t put it past Woody have it leaked, just to get a sense of the approval ratings.

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

Normally, I’d assume this wax the case. I wouldn’t put it past Woody have it leaked, just to get a sense of the approval ratings.

[THE BARON]

37 minutes ago, TNJet said:

I wouldn't mind cutting both Uzomah and Conklin they suck really...

im sure they would both like to have a new QB throwing them the ball.  

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Biggs said:

I'll take the leg.  Always been a leg man.  

[jgb]

Just now, THE BARON said:

im sure they would both like to have a new QB throwing them the ball.  

Many said we can’t judge Sam because his weaponz sucked…. I’d argue the opposite is much more valid.

[JetPotato]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

She could lose a leg and still be the hottest woman I hooked up with.

I'm sorry to hear that for you.

[jgb]

Just now, JetPotato said:

I'm sorry to hear that for you.

I’m like a U-Boat captain. I judge myself by tonnage sunk.

[bd71]

17 minutes ago, football guy said:

Elijah Moore's dad chimes in. 

Do the Jets lead the league in having the most players parents posting about the team on social media?

[Reasonable Jets Fan]

52 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Don't you think that's a critical skill that a team's existing OC should already possess, let alone implement well? 

If our OC has no such skill or is so incapable that his boss has to un-retire a former OC to be his "Senior Assistant", whatever that means, to hold his hand as he learns I guess, then why keep him here at all?  It's ridiculous and it's embarrassing to pretend he is good at his job. 

Not necessarily... OC can be good at many other things... But designing a playbook doesn't have to be one... 

Bill Belichek's coordinators don't design the playbook... It's already been created and they game plan around the systems they created... This is a young team... A senior advisor is needed. 

[football guy]

3 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Indictment on Saleh and his staff including MLF.  Yet another HC builds a sh*t house in Florham Park.  

Really think it comes down to MLF struggling in the leadership department while not having a veteran staff to effectively manage some of the things that come up throughout the year- not much different than any other organization/business. He's trying to run our offense the way he learned how to run it via Shanahan, yet he's not Shanahan nor does he have the kind of veteran support Shanahan did throughout his career. MLF's personality (introverted, conflict avoidant, hands off style) and marriage to scheme and game plan does not help, especially with player's who seek to be more engaging rather than "yes men"... 

Kyle Shanahan's first time as an OC on his own was with the 2014 Cleveland Browns under defensive HC Mike Pettine. All his previous coordinator experience was working under Gary Kubiak or Mike Shanahan, who had major say in the day-to-day and had experienced staffs of their own. When he went to CLE he helped assemble an offensive staff that included an experienced QB coach, RBs coach, WR coach, TE coach, and OL coach. The following year he and the team mutually agreed to part ways because he disagreed with Manziel's readiness to start. Talk about a polar opposite approach... 

[jgb]

8 minutes ago, bd71 said:

Do the Jets lead the league in having the most players parents posting about the team on social media?

Just wait if he’s a Jet in 2023. Going to be a hyena pile in the media between Steve Young, Simms, and other members of the Nauvoo Legion.

[Matt39]

9 minutes ago, bd71 said:

Do the Jets lead the league in having the most players parents posting about the team on social media?

This is on the staff including JD. These are friends running a bar.

[peekskill68]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

Don't you think that's a critical skill that a team's existing OC should already possess, let alone implement well? 

If our OC has no such skill or is so incapable that his boss has to un-retire a former OC to be his "Senior Assistant", whatever that means, to hold his hand as he learns I guess, then why keep him here at all?  It's ridiculous and it's embarrassing to pretend he is good at his job. 

Designing the playbook is probably what LaFleur is best at.  Calling plays/feeling the game is where I think he's lacking...

[Rob Moore]

1 hour ago, Zachtomims47 said:

-WHY THE OFFENSE WAS BAD-

Reason #1:

Totally off topic, but someone find me this hoodie! Where’s SAR when I need him ?

[Sonny Werblin]

1 hour ago, TNJet said:

I wouldn't mind cutting both Uzomah and Conklin they suck really...

Uzomah will swallow a restructure. He's got plays to produce.

[Adoni Beast]

9 minutes ago, football guy said:

Really think it comes down to MLF struggling in the leadership department while not having a veteran staff to effectively manage some of the things that come up throughout the year- not much different than any other organization/business. 

I'll tell you one thing...it will take a long time and A LOT of good public optics for MLF to ever get a head coaching gig, even if he starts killing it as a coordinator.

Introvert who can't relate to people, look them in the eye, talk to them face to face, stubborn in scheme regardless of personnel are all antithesis of a head coach.

[Rich Thornburgh]

4 hours ago, SCRUNO said:

And here come all the LaFleur defenders…

It’s not his fault Zach Wilson sucks.  Zach Wilson just sucks.

[Sonny Werblin]

1 minute ago, Rob Moore said:

Totally off topic, but someone find me this hoodie! Where’s SAR when I need him ?

I looked. All of the Teams have the coaches and players have them and you cannot buy them anywhere, at least that I can find. I think they will go on sale next week. 

[Rich Thornburgh]

3 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

Designing the playbook is probably what LaFleur is best at.  Calling plays/feeling the game is where I think he's lacking...

The playcalls were fine.  Zach’s execution was piss poor.

 

And White is an average player and Flacco should have retired 6 years ago

[jgb]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

This is on the staff including JD. These are friends running a bar.

That analogy is 

[jgb]

Just now, Rich Thornburgh said:

The playcalls were fine.  Zach’s execution was piss poor.

 

And White is an average player and Flacco should have retired 6 years ago

Average QB? Be still my heart!

[Rich Thornburgh]

Just now, jgb said:

Average QB? Be still my heart!

Once we fire Lafleur Zach will magically transform into Pat Mahomes.  You just watch

[Mogglez]

44 minutes ago, football guy said:

Elijah Moore's dad chimes in. 

Not hard to read between the lines there.  I knew that LaFleur was in Elijah’s black book, but I thought him and Zach were tight.  However, I can only infer that the “protecting some players” line applies to a certain QB that we revamped the entire offense to protect.  Wow.

Also, this type of sh*t never looks good for the family or the player.  His dad should keep it quiet.

[peekskill68]

1 minute ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

The playcalls were fine.  Zach’s execution was piss poor.

 

And White is an average player and Flacco should have retired 6 years ago

Ummm...

No disagreement on Zach, but I'm not sure about the play calls...

[Adoni Beast]

3 hours ago, hotrodcharlie said:

Kubiak would be such a s#itty pick

as if the league hasnt already figured out his 1990s offense. That's a desperation move that I hope they dont do

Kubiak is a fantastic coach who made Matt Schaub look like an MVP candidate and franchise QB.

The scheme works today and is littered throughout the league most notably SF and LAR.

The best schemes are not smoke and mirror ones that predicate "tricking" the opponents consistently for production.

The best schemes are the ones where the opponents knows what's coming and they can't stop you anyway.

 

[Rich Thornburgh]

1 minute ago, peekskill68 said:

Ummm...

No disagreement on Zach, but I'm not sure about the play calls...

When you’re qb can’t make basic short range throws to his first read on a play in which the first read is wide open yes it’s on the qb

 

Lafleur is a way better OC than Zach is a QB.  No other OC is fixing Zach

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

The playcalls were fine.  Zach’s execution was piss poor.

 

And White is an average player and Flacco should have retired 6 years ago

White is average AT BEST and in his games he threw for 315, 369, 268 and 240 and had 22, 31, 27, 23 completions.

Lafleurs offense was not bad, oline fall off, top end rb gone and a perception at least from me that the head coach was pressing him to ;just not lose games;

In these last games the jets got pretty well no turnovers.

As I've said if they replace him I'll be fine as long as the guy they replace him with is in my mind a true upgrade.  If they dump him and bring in some guy like hackett or nagy....

[Rich Thornburgh]

2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Kubiak is a fantastic coach who made Matt Schaub look like an MVP candidate and franchise QB.

The scheme works today and is littered throughout the league most notably SF and LAR.

The best schemes are not smoke and mirror ones that predicate "tricking" the opponents consistently for production.

The best schemes are the ones where the opponents knows what's coming and they can't stop you anyway.

 

Kubiak might have another heart attack if Woody hires him to fix Zach Wilson

[football guy]

Just now, Mogglez said:

Not hard to read between the lines there.  Wow.

The root of the blowup: 

• Elijah Moore has an outburst at the facility, upset with his usage. There was not a big rift between he and Zach per se (his displeasure was mostly towards Mike LaFleur), but his frustration boiled over in part because the offensive coaches used some of his plays to point out what Elijah did wrong on certain routes and his timing. Zach's tendency is to throw with anticipation into “spots”, and the coaching staff seemingly agreed with him that Elijah wasn’t doing the right thing in certain situations, leading to less involvement, which set Elijah off.  

 

[Rich Thornburgh]

Just now, Beerfish said:

White is average AT BEST and in his games he threw for 315, 369, 268 and 240 and had 22, 31, 27, 23 completions.

Lafleurs offense was not bad, oline fall off, top end rb gone and a perception at least from me that the head coach was pressing him to ;just not lose games;

In these last games the jets got pretty well no turnovers.

As I've said if they replace him I'll be fine as long as the guy they replace him with is in my mind a true upgrade.  If they dump him and bring in some guy like hackett or nagy....

The Zach cucks are out of control

 

White and Flacco also sucking is Lafleur’s fault?  One guy is a career third stringer/PS guy and the other is a 40 year old has been who should have retired 5 years ago

[HawkeyeJet]

I absolutely hate when you’re in along work meeting and a 9 page thread over absolutely nothing crops up.  All the good replies are already taken.

[Mogglez]

1 minute ago, football guy said:

The root of the blowup: 

• Elijah Moore has an outburst at the facility, upset with his usage. There was not a big rift between he and Zach per se (his displeasure was mostly towards Mike LaFleur), but his frustration boiled over in part because the offensive coaches used some of his plays to point out what Elijah did wrong on certain routes and his timing. Zach's tendency is to throw with anticipation into “spots”, and the coaching staff seemingly agreed with him that Elijah wasn’t doing the right thing in certain situations, leading to less involvement, which set Elijah off.  

 

Yeah, that’s pretty much what I figured (pissed at LeFleur) based on what I heard back then, but the Zach stuff is relatively news to me.

[bonkertons]

48 minutes ago, football guy said:

And generalizations like this is exactly why old-fashioned "all fault falls on the players" staffs for the most part wind up unsuccessful. 

There are coaches out there who generate more offense with far less talent. Joshua Dobbs and David Blough were signed off other team's practice squads in December yet were more effective than any of our QBs were in weeks 17-19. Baker Mayfield was claimed off waivers 48 hours prior to playing in a game with a new team yet was more productive than any of our QBs for most of the season. Add Nick Mullens, Sam Howell, Jeff Driskel, Nathan Peterman, Jarrett Stidham, Sam Ehlinger, and Desmond Ridder to the list of QBs who out-produced our QBs in the final 3 weeks of the season. The question is why?

If the coaches say "well our QBs suck", then whose fault is that? You were out parading how you felt you had "3 starting QBs" since last year and comparing Zach Wilson to the likes of Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, yet never made a peep about needing another QB (mind you Jimmy Garoppolo was available and not a single member of the coaching staff raised their hand to say we can use this guy) so what gives?

 

You think we were going to trade for Jimmy Garoppolo after having just drafting a QB 2nd overall?  Why?  Especially when the expectation for this year was "improve" and then compete in 2024.  Why would they waste the assets when Zach was the guy long-term?