NY Jets trade Elijah Moore to the Cleveland Browns: MERGED

[Green Ghost]

3 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

He was forced to rebuild. The team was a baron wasteland of talent. Who were the anchors? Adams, Maye, Darnold, and a rookie Q? You can’t tell me that’s something that you want to continue to build on. Did you want to go out and sign a bunch of high priced FAs like Mac was doing? 
 

look at the team now. Garret Wilson, Breece, Sauce, Q, AVT, Reed. Beyond those guys there is a foundation of young players growing while still playing well in both Carters, JJ, Mitchell, Quincy, and others. Sherwood looked good while he was on the field as did Echols. 
 

What was the roster like before? It was filled with bad players and substantial overpaid players. 
 

Even guys who may be considered overpaid on the roster still aren’t anything like Tru and Bell. Lawson played well enough after coming back from a major surgery, Tomlinson wasn’t great but wasn’t terrible and the process of picking up made sense, Conklin and Cj individually would be the best tight ends we’ve had in quite a while and both are on the team. 
 

People seem to forget how terrible the roster was before and how bad of shape the cap was in. 
 

Also the success rate for draft picks is well under 50% and people throw a fit of all of them aren’t hits it seems like. 

Every team has a few good players.  Yay us. We have a few also.
20-46 is bad enough, but the 7-9 season in 2017 was before he began his tear down. He’s been 13-37 since then.
That’s horrible, and so was every draft he’s had until last season when he had 3 #1 picks and another at the top of the 2nd round.

[BurntDice]

11 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Every team has a few good players.  Yay us. We have a few also.
20-46 is bad enough, but the 7-9 season in 2017 was before he began his tear down. He’s been 13-37 since then.
That’s horrible, and so was every draft he’s had until last season when he had 3 #1 picks and another at the top of the 2nd round.

What do you expect to happen when you tear the roster down to the studs? Have winning seasons? Come on man. 
 

2021 was a horrible draft? There are 4 starting caliber players in that draft. What do you expect 6 or 7 every time? It can also increase if Sherwood steps in for CJ eventually.  If Zach can get his sh*t together somehow then that’s 6. 
 

Expecting 5+ rounders to be great players is just silly. If it happens then great! Oh and guess what? There is a 5th round starter from that draft who is pretty dang good in carter ii. Pinnock may be starting on the giants too I’m not sure. Echols is a very solid backup 

[usapaw]

3 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

What do you think Is the average success rate for draft picks around the league? 

14% (sounds low) according to the internet; Is he there? Considering the number of the coaches and gm's turnover every 2-3 years, maybe he is at or above this rate?  portsology's research shows that over the past five years, the NFL has the lowest average GM tenure of any of the big five U.S. sports (2.1 years) and the smallest hiring window. https://www.sportico.com/leagues/football/2023/nfl-owners-front-office-hiring-1234699871/. No clue if this is correct.

 

[BurntDice]

2 minutes ago, usapaw said:

14% (sounds low) according to the internet; Is he there? Considering the number of the coaches and gm's turnover every 2-3 years, maybe he is at or above this rate?  portsology's research shows that over the past five years, the NFL has the lowest average GM tenure of any of the big five U.S. sports (2.1 years) and the smallest hiring window. https://www.sportico.com/leagues/football/2023/nfl-owners-front-office-hiring-1234699871/. No clue if this is correct.

 

Yes the success rate is much lower than many people think. JD is much higher than that. He’s probably closer to 50% which is very very good 

[Matt39]

With Moore at least Douglas is learning that you move on fast if the player is uncoachable or doesn’t think playing hard is part of the job. Moore was a bum and they got a 2 out of it. If you can parlay that into Rodgers it’s fine. The guy asked for a trade during a 5 game winning streak. Find someone who wants to play hard instead. Peace out. 

[usapaw]

1 hour ago, maury77 said:

I'm perfectly OK with this trade. 

1. I was not a Moore fan during his draft year. I thought he dogged it when the ball wasn't coming his way and that continued in the pros. 

2. I thought Moore's rookie season stats were slightly blown up with a lot of garbage time production. 

3. This is a good draft class for slot WRs. 

I get that you don't think the player fit but the trade was awful. 

[usapaw]

2 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Yes the success rate is much lower than many people think. JD is much higher than that. He’s probably closer to 50% which is very very good 

He is not even close to that. how many of his picks are even still on the team? 

[Green Ghost]

6 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

What do you expect to happen when you tear the roster down to the studs? Have winning seasons? Come on man. 
 

2021 was a horrible draft? There are 4 starting caliber players in that draft. What do you expect 6 or 7 every time? It can also increase if Sherwood steps in for CJ eventually.  If Zach can get his sh*t together somehow then that’s 6. 
 

Expecting 5+ rounders to be great players is just silly. If it happens then great! Oh and guess what? There is a 5th round starter from that draft who is pretty dang good in carter ii. Pinnock may be starting on the giants too I’m not sure. Echols is a very solid backup 

I’m sorry, but you’re not going to be taken very seriously by anyone if you are going to defend his drafts prior to 2022…

[BurntDice]

1 minute ago, usapaw said:

He is not even close to that. how many of his picks are even still on the team? 

19 picks are still on the team. That’s pretty damn good 

[Xtina]

1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

So the Jets netted 260 points via the draft value chart which equals the 2nd pick in the 3rd round. So basically we traded Moore for that pick. 

Except they’re short one body or pick now 

[Green Ghost]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

With Moore at least Douglas is learning that you move on fast if the player is uncoachable or doesn’t think playing hard is part of the job. Moore was a bum and they got a 2 out of it. If you can parlay that into Rodgers it’s fine. The guy asked for a trade during a 5 game winning streak. Find someone who wants to play hard instead. Peace out. 

If JD is hot to dump his busted picks, let’s see what we can get for Becton and Zach.

After them, we can probably get rid of at least 3 or 4 more starting with Ashyton Davis and Mimsy.

 

[BurntDice]

1 minute ago, Green Ghost said:

I’m sorry, but you’re not going to be taken very seriously by anyone if you are going to defend his drafts prior to 2022…

AVT, both carters, Sherwood, Echols, Moore, Pinnock aren’t good draft picks? 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Green Ghost said:

If JD is hot to dump his busted picks, let’s see what we can get for Becton and Zach.

 

Becton is too far gone. You just ride that out through camp and release him. Wilson you never know I guess.

[Green Ghost]

9 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

AVT, both carters, Sherwood, Echols, Moore, Pinnock aren’t good draft picks? 

AVT is good but hasn’t been healthy. Sherwood, both Carters, and Echols are jags that stick on bad teams. Moore just got dumped, and Pinnock wasn’t anything until the GMen coached him up. If that’s the meat of your argument…  sheesh. 
(Care to comment on the Zach and Mekhi picks?)

[Green Ghost]

13 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

19 picks are still on the team. That’s pretty damn good 

After he gutted the roster, they had to stick. We needed bodies to go 2-14, 4-13 didn’t we?

[BurntDice]

1 minute ago, Green Ghost said:

AVT is good but hasn’t been healthy. Sherwood, Echols are jags that stick on bad teams. Moore just got dumped, and Pinnock wasn’t anything until the GMen coached him up. If that’s the meat of your argument…  sheesh. 
(Care to comment on the Zach and Mekhi picks?)

How do you know Sherwood and Echols are jags? It seems like Sherwood is being groomed to replace CJ (which is what good teams do btw) and for a 6th round pick in Echols to be a solid backup is fantastic. You missed the carters who are both quality players. The browns thought highly enough of Moore to trade a pretty substantial pick for him. 
 

Becton wasn’t in the 2021 draft. 
 

Zach didn’t turn out well sure. 
 

So what’s the hit rate on that draft? 7/10? How often is a draft a 70% success? 

[Green Ghost]

8 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

How do you know Sherwood and Echols are jags? It seems like Sherwood is being groomed to replace CJ (which is what good teams do btw) and for a 6th round pick in Echols to be a solid backup is fantastic. You missed the carters who are both quality players. The browns thought highly enough of Moore to trade a pretty substantial pick for him. 
 

Becton wasn’t in the 2021 draft. 
 

Zach didn’t turn out well sure. 
 

So what’s the hit rate on that draft? 7/10? How often is a draft a 70% success? 

The Carters are quality players? The RB lost his job to BAM last year and the DB is a J-A-G.

Gutted rosters need warm bodies. Don’t confuse them with “good draft picks/players.

[JETS SB]

For those who hate the trade, what is fair value for him, after how Moore has performed and his trade request, Considering he was drafted at the beginning of the 2nd round. Would love to hear what good compensation would have been.  

[Jetsplayer21]

24 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

With Moore at least Douglas is learning that you move on fast if the player is uncoachable or doesn’t think playing hard is part of the job. Moore was a bum and they got a 2 out of it. If you can parlay that into Rodgers it’s fine. The guy asked for a trade during a 5 game winning streak. Find someone who wants to play hard instead. Peace out. 

Got a 2 out of it ? No we basically let him go for equivalent of a 5th or 6th round pick. Remember we gave up a 3rd. Moore had talent, why the browns are ecstatic. Jd rushed and should have got more for Moore ha.  

[JETS SB]

1 minute ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Got a 2 out of it ? No we basically let him go for equivalent of a 5th or 6th round pick. Remember we gave up a 3rd. Moore had talent, why the browns are ecstatic. Jd rushed and should have got more for Moore ha.  

Equivalent of an early 3rd. Your value is way off. 

[Vader]

2 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I don't think anyone knows what the issue was and this entire sh*t reeks of classic Jets weirdness and ineptitude. 

dude was shadow benched for like the entire year, was running phantom routes, like the QB was told to disregard #8. It was weird af. everyone saw it.

edit: mf would be wide open on 3rd down and QB would still ignore him

[BurntDice]

Just now, Green Ghost said:

The Carters are quality players? The RB lost his job to BAM last year and th DB is a J-A-G.

You obviously are just very negative and are stuck in that mindset.
 

Carter the rb has a career average a 4 yards per rush (which is right in line with a lot of good players) and 8 yards per reception. 
 

Carter the CB has a 83 passer rating allowed which is very good 

We are also talking about 4th+ rounders here. Most teams are lucky to get anything out of those guys. 

[Green Ghost]

4 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

You obviously are just very negative and are stuck in that mindset.
 

Carter the rb has a career average a 4 yards per rush (which is right in line with a lot of good players) and 8 yards per reception. 
 

Carter the CB has a 83 passer rating allowed which is very good 

We are also talking about 4th+ rounders here. Most teams are lucky to get anything out of those guys. 

Again… gutted rosters need bodies. They’re bodies. (Jags)

We needed them to go 2-14 and 4-13. Couldn’t take the field without players, could we?

[BurntDice]

2 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Again… gutted rosters need bodies. They’re bodies.

We needed them to go 2-14 and 4-13. Couldn’t take the field without players, could we?

This roster is a qb away from a very very good team. It’s not a gutted roster. The D was top 5 last year. Do you think about what you are typing beforehand?

[slimjasi]

8 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

The Carters are quality players? The RB lost his job to BAM last year and the DB is a J-A-G.

Gutted rosters need warm bodies. Don’t confuse them with “good draft picks/players.

MC II is a JAG? 
 

Yea . . . I’d edit this one while there is still time. He was excellent last year. He was also a 5th round draft pick. 

[Green Ghost]

1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

MC II is a JAG? 
 

Yea . . . I’d edit this one while there is still time. He was excellent last year. He was also a 5th round draft pick. 

The DB was good (don’t tell Dice that though) ?

[BurntDice]

2 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

The DB was good (don’t tell Dice that though) ?

NOW you’re coming around to the light side!

[Green Ghost]

3 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

This roster is a qb away from a very very good team. It’s not a gutted roster. The D was top 5 last year. Do you think about what you are typing beforehand?

WAS a gutted roster. WAS. 
Please don’t put words in my mouth to make your argument look better

[Maxman]

@Tranquilo @choon328

I didn't see who started it. So please spare me the other guy started it messages. What we do know is a back-and-forth like what is going on in this thread isn't allowed.

Kindly just ignore each other. Thank you!

[BurntDice]

2 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

WAS a gutted roster. WAS. 
Please don’t put words in my mouth to make your argument look better

Of course it WAS after the tear down. Last year it wasn’t. Teams were claiming players the jets released which used to be a very rare thing. 

[Dcat]

23 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Got a 2 out of it ? No we basically let him go for equivalent of an early 3rd 5th or 6th round pick. Remember we gave up a 3rd. Moore had talent, why the browns are ecstatic. Jd rushed and should have got more for Moore ha.  

The chart value for the 74 ---> 42 move up is +260, which is an early rd 3 pick.  Pick 66 value to be exact.  

[Green Ghost]

14 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Of course it WAS after the tear down. Last year it wasn’t. Teams were claiming players the jets released which used to be a very rare thing. 

@Maxman should use both of us as examples to show everyone for how two idiots can have a debate without having it turn nasty.

We could be role models, dice!

[Jetsplayer21]

8 minutes ago, Dcat said:

The chart value for the 74 ---> 42 move up is +260, which is an early rd 3 pick.  Pick 66 value to be exact.  

Thanks I know I over exaggerated. Moore is talented, showed that as a rookie. Of course he took a back seat to Garrett Wilson, on an offense that didn’t pass, or gain positive yards when Zach was qb. But the crying sure didn’t help his value. Good pickup for browns. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him put up 7-800 yards with Watson as qb. 

[BurntDice]

7 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

@Maxman should use both of us as examples to show everyone for how two idiots can have a debate without having it turn nasty.

We could be role models, dice!

Us role models. Now that’s funny!

I guess it’s kind of true though we are stand up citizens compared to those two 

[Thai Jet]

7 hours ago, Jetsfan4life90 said:

Any chance a WR could be in play at #13? Johnston or Jaxon Smith.

I would seriously doubt it based on our recent additions at WR. We have more pressing needs like the OL and DT.