Jets OL coach Keith Carter getting universally laughed at

[The Crusher]

6 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

So we have current and former players openly mocking him and yet here’s Bob saying what a great job he’s done. 
 

 

 

Bob is the universal safe space  for awful staff and players. 

[T0mShane]

18 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Please. Several other teams had injuries throughout their O line and they didn't completely collapse like the Jets O line. And your defense of this guy is that while he didn't get the starters to play better, he certainly did a bang up job with the fringe guys? 

I’ve been calling for Carter to be fired all year. What are you talking about? What “defense”?

[Jack Straw]

During the regular season, players are limited to a total of fourteen padded practices, eleven of which must be held during the first eleven weeks of the regular season, and three of which must be held during the remaining six weeks of the regular season.

That's LESS than one padded practice a week. Someone explain how a player can be "broken down" when they're not even practicing in pads once a week.

 

[Sonny Werblin]

Just now, T0mShane said:

I’ve been calling for Carter to be fired all year. What are you talking about? What “defense”?

My bad. It's early and I over-read the sentence on getting fringe players to play well.  Keith Carter is so divisive that he causes tension even between people who agree he should be fired. 

[Integrity28]

This is a bad look for us, organizationally.

[Viermoo]

I don’t think that was from becton’s real account. He doesn’t have a period in between the “big” and “ticket.”


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[Larz]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Tony Pauline, January 2023

 

[Matt39]

16 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

That's a head scratcher. Magically got better? Have you completely wiped the the Falcons, Dolphins and Browns game with Semien under center from your memory?  They were bad and at best inconsistent all season. And they had a good game with Wilson under center vs the Texans. How do you explain that? Caveat to the ZW haters - this is not a defense of Wilson. I am just pointing out that you can not say the O line got magically better without ZW because reality says they had bad games without him and some okay games with him. So, don't blame ZW for the O line sucking, it's their own damned fault.

Sure, when Simien started the Oline was better. Becton sucked before Carter and will suck after Carter. He’s also an immature clown. 

[32EBoozer]

6 hours ago, dcJet said:

That's Becton, right?  big.ticket73.

Making excuses (AGAIN!) for his sh!%ty play. Becton is always blaming someone or something for his lack of maturity, work ethic, discipline and accountability,

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

At least Breece doesn’t delete his. Becton is a child. Nothing changed. 

[Matt39]

13 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

During the regular season, players are limited to a total of fourteen padded practices, eleven of which must be held during the first eleven weeks of the regular season, and three of which must be held during the remaining six weeks of the regular season.

That's LESS than one padded practice a week. Someone explain how a player can be "broken down" when they're not even practicing in pads once a week.

 

Lewan was a chronic complainer and is probably disgruntled because he’s out of football.

[Trotter]

10 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

This is a bad look for us, organizationally.

well they do strive for consistency - so they got that down - consistently embarrassing

[genot]

21 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

That's a head scratcher. Magically got better? Have you completely wiped the the Falcons, Dolphins and Browns game with Semien under center from your memory?  They were bad and at best inconsistent all season. And they had a good game with Wilson under center vs the Texans. How do you explain that? Caveat to the ZW haters - this is not a defense of Wilson. I am just pointing out that you can not say the O line got magically better without ZW because reality says they had bad games without him and some okay games with him. So, don't blame ZW for the O line sucking, it's their own damned fault.

Exactly. This organization is a Qb killer. They haven't got a clue on how to develop a QB, protect a QB, and scheme to get the most out of skill position players.. it's very sad

[JetPotato]

Vibes, man. Super positive.

[Sammybighead]

Between the coaches and players, there are like 70+ people. Not everyone is gonna like everyone.

That said, can anyone explain what it is about carter that is so amazing that he must be retained? He just oversaw the worst oline in history. Every run was seemingly a 1 yard halfback dive cause they couldn't block sh*t. They couldn't execute a screen pass. They got Rodgers killed because they used a stupid cut block in the first game and then never used it again because it's stupid to ask a 40 year old unathletic LT to do that. His players universally hate him. What are carter's redeeming qualities? I genuinely want a list...

[Adoni Beast]

39 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

Hackett and Carter should've been fired Sunday evening.

Incorrect. Robert Saleh should have been fired Sunday evening. Hackett and Carter should have been let go by the new head coach 😄

[Adoni Beast]

2 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Vibes, man. Super positive.

60% of the time...it works all of the time....

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Sure, when Simien started the Oline was better. Becton sucked before Carter and will suck after Carter. He’s also an immature clown. 

Siemian handled the rush better, but the line still gave up a ton of pressures. Agreed that Becton is a bitch, but Carter is a huge problem

[Bleedin Green]

I don't care about Carter at all nor if they decided to fire him, considering at this point it's simply rearranging chairs on the Titanic. However, there are amazingly stupid mental gymnastics some start going through around here the moment they are back to being pissed at this team. Let's recap:

1. Carter proves that Vrabel is amazing and Saleh sucks. Never mind that Vrabel hired Carter in his first year, and kept him for 5 years, after Carter had already been coaching for years before that, so was a known quantity.

2. Saleh is bad for being nice to players. Carter is bad for not being nice to players.

3. Carter is to blame for 1 year of a poorly performing, injury prone OL. Disregard the fact that this was all a constant for the preceding 4 years on JD's watch without Carter.

4. After endlessly mocking Becton for what a lazy, fat, useless tub of crap he was, we now suddenly highly value his opinions of the position coach who actually got him to play for the first time in 3 years.

Did I miss anything?

[Sammybighead]

I just get the sense they are trying way too hard with the oline. They're too focused on finding the correct "scheme fit" for their super duper outside zone. They wanna get 5 powerful dancing bears along the line and carter is gonna make them sing together harmoniously. It's just never gonna happen.

They need to simplify. Focus on just finding talented yet durable guys. Build a scheme that works around them. JD has talked himself out of good prospects because of "scheme". And for God sakes, find a guy that can communicate a simple scheme to the players, because carter ain't it. 

[Claymation]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

The Jets don’t practice in pads during the season. Becton as we already know is a clown, continues to be a clown. 

But what about Breece Laughing? Carter is the Run game coordinator, and his OL looked clueless most of the season.

[T0mShane]

There are really no great OLs anymore, but even getting to the point where your OL isn’t an outright weakness is such an advantage that finding a top-tier OL coach is almost as important as having a great OC. Carter has been tossed out of every job he’s had and his results in year one on the Jets were putrid. Obviously, blocking for Zach Wilson is an impossible task, but iirc the Jets OL led the world in missed blitz pickups, allowing free runners, etc. It absolutely needs to be a priority to upgrade from Carter or it won’t matter who they bring in on the OL

[SR24]

Granted I just turned 30 but this might be the worst regime I’ve witnessed in my entire life. Nothing makes any sense right now 

[Adoni Beast]

1 hour ago, Jet2020 said:

Said it long ago, need to fire everyone, including the janitors at 1JD. 

Well why would you want to fire yourself?...

[Adoni Beast]

Just now, SR24 said:

Granted I just turned 30 but this might be the worst regime I’ve witnessed in my entire life. Nothing makes any sense right now 

What we have isn't good but it's definitely not the worst, regardless of record.

Kotite was the worst as he was the coach and ran football operations. It was just a complete joke without trying.

Right now we are complete joke, while trying.

Macagnan Bowles was second worst.

[maury77]

Man we were really spoiled for years by having Bill Callahan as the OL coach. He is still doing a great job in Cleveland. 

Robert Saleh believes leadership begins and ends with saying nice things to make your players and staff so they feel better about themselves. He is a beta male masquerading as an alpha male with his unwillingness to hold people accountable. How you can bring back Carter after the outright disaster the line was last year is beyond me. I sincerely hope Aaron Rodgers starts making a stink about retaining Carter. 

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, SR24 said:

Granted I just turned 30 but this might be the worst regime I’ve witnessed in my entire life. Nothing makes any sense right now 

There’s been worse, but the difference is with this crew is that they started from zero because Maccagnan was so bad for so long.

[maury77]

1 minute ago, Adoni Beast said:

What we have isn't good but it's definitely not the worst, regardless of record.

Kotite was the worst as he was the coach and ran football operations. It was just a complete joke without trying.

Right now we are complete joke, while trying.

Macagnan Bowles was second worst.

Maccagnan and Bowles produced a 10 win season. This current regime has not even had a winning season yet. 

[The Crusher]

54 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

This is a bad look for us, organizationally.

Add to the pile Ape. 

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Maccagnan and Bowles produced a 10 win season. This current regime has not even had a winning season yet. 

Coincidentally that was with fitz who knew how to score.  You get a competent qb, you’re going to win games.  Even with simian I’d rather watch and had more faith than with wilson.  

[Adoni Beast]

15 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

I just get the sense they are trying way too hard with the oline. They're too focused on finding the correct "scheme fit" for their super duper outside zone. They wanna get 5 powerful dancing bears along the line and carter is gonna make them sing together harmoniously. It's just never gonna happen.

They need to simplify. Focus on just finding talented yet durable guys. Build a scheme that works around them. JD has talked himself out of good prospects because of "scheme". And for God sakes, find a guy that can communicate a simple scheme to the players, because carter ain't it. 

I disagree here. I think good teams that win consistently adapt for sure, but they work within a specific scheme, scout pro + collegiate players who will fit that scheme and help advance it. Yes you should be able to adapt and tweak things to the talent that you have, but if you have a LT that is been at zone and a RT who is massive and not athletic, there isn't a scheme out there that will work to support that.

I think the biggest issue is the head coach wanted and identified a particular zone block scheme. He hired novices who didn't have the expertise to install it, fix it, adapt it as needed. He (Saleh) himself does not possess the required knowledge for installing this scheme or understanding what the trainer staff and positional coaches SHOULD be doing with the players.

If you are touted as a CEO coach you don't have to be an expert for every position and unit but you need to hire well and know enough to ensure the right things are getting done. He doesn't know what's right and hasn't hired well. To me, it's really that simple.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Adoni Beast said:

I disagree here. I think good teams that win consistently adapt for sure, but they work within a specific scheme, scout pro + collegiate players who will fit that scheme and help advance it. Yes you should be able to adapt and tweak things to the talent that you have, but if you have a LT that is been at zone and a RT who is massive and not athletic, there isn't a scheme out there that will work to support that.

I think the biggest issue is the head coach wanted and identified a particular zone block scheme. He hired novices who didn't have the expertise to install it, fix it, adapt it as needed. He (Saleh) himself does not possess the required knowledge for installing this scheme or understanding what the trainer staff and positional coaches SHOULD be doing with the players.

If you are touted as a CEO coach you don't have to be an expert for every position and unit but you need to hire well and know enough to ensure the right things are getting done. He doesn't know what's right and hasn't hired well. To me, it's really that simple.

It helps to have guys who are athletic.  Becton is a liability everywhere.  

[Adoni Beast]

4 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Maccagnan and Bowles produced a 10 win season. This current regime has not even had a winning season yet. 

That season was a good example of how, good players make the biggest difference on the field. That team....that year....with a real good head coach goes deep into the playoffs and wins that division.

That was a veteran team that played the last ounces of their prime. The next year it all crashed and burned. I think Bowles is a great DC who as a HEAD COACH can win some games with a proven veteran roster but that arrangement between him and Mac was a disaster. They weren't on the same page about anything. I think Mac traded for a CB once and Bowles found out from the media during a presser after practice.

As a regime and a whole...it was really bad, including the OCs Bowles hired post Gailey. I mean WOW....Morton, Bates....it was like hiring high school coaches.

[Adoni Beast]

3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

It helps to have guys who are athletic.  Becton is a liability everywhere.  

I'm not a fan and I hope he's not on the team next year. Although, I fear that he will be....due to Douglas' double down on his draft pick mentality.

He sucks, weak for his size, complainer, injury-prone, and oh yeah he sucks...

[Jets Voice of Reason]

13 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Man we were really spoiled for years by having Bill Callahan as the OL coach. He is still doing a great job in Cleveland. 

Robert Saleh believes leadership begins and ends with saying nice things to make your players and staff so they feel better about themselves. He is a beta male masquerading as an alpha male with his unwillingness to hold people accountable. How you can bring back Carter after the outright disaster the line was last year is beyond me. I sincerely hope Aaron Rodgers starts making a stink about retaining Carter. 

This is kind of why i’m not expecting some miracle next year even if rodgers is healthy and producing. There is such organizational dysfunction in creating a functional offense. It’s amazing to me that they can have two bonafide superstars in breece and garrett and still manage to challenge record levels of offensive futility.