Maxman Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Kraft, Judge Berman chat at Hamptons Labor Day party September 6, 2015, 10:45 pm SHARE THIS POST Email NFL dumps quarterback photo that omitted Brady Will the stress of ‘Deflategate’ impact Brady against Steelers? McCann: What are the odds NFL wins Deflategate appeal? Will ‘Deflategate’ lead to a new language in CBA? Report: Patriots add WR Nathan Palmer to practice squad PHIL PERRY Brady: 'I'll be excited to run out there Thursday night' 'I'm excited,' says Tom Brady. 'I'll be excited to run out there Thursday night. It's obviously been a long seven months for everybody.' 1 of 9 MORE Robert Kraft went to a Hamptons Labor Day party on Saturday night, with guests ranging from Oprah Winfrey to Harvey Weinstein to Martha Stewart. Guess who else was there. Richard Berman. That’s Judge Berman, the federal judge who overturned New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s suspension. Kraft was seen chatting with Berman,according to the New York Post, though a Patriots representative told the newspaper it was a “chance encounter.” “It was a chance encounter at a social event with hundreds of guests,” said the source. “There was a brief introduction and an exchange of pleasantries that lasted no more than a couple of minutes.” Giants co-owner Steve Tisch was also at the party; and Tisch's co-owner, John Mara, was representing the NFL during the Deflategate trial, so conspiracy theorists shouldn’t get too provoked about this report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Was the commish there as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 While I appreciate that Kraft has his eye on the potential remand, I really hope he is spending the majority of his time with Judge Katzmann instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 Hopefully they were just discussing fantasy football strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Hopefully they were just discussing fantasy football strategy. How exactly would that help the Patriots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Most judges are hacks you guys have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Most judges are hacks you guys have no idea. I'm sure there are bad judges just like there are bad Policeman. Power can go to peoples head. My issue with this whole thing is that the league turned a blind eye to the Pats cheating & ball deflation for years. People who know football, know that the Pats ALWAYS had their best games in bad weather. Bradys throwing the ball around while the opponents are fumbling & throwing bad picks. Then you look at the overall fumbling rate in the NFL & the Pats are so far behind the mean it's ridiculous. Plus they have had players that never fumbled, they leave & fumble in other places. How do we know that ball that venetieri kicked in the snow vs the Raiders was legal (I'm guessing it wasn't). Bermans role was to look at this one instance, Goodell & the league were looking at the cheating in it's entirety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Flat out amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 There's no way this can be viewed as a coincidence. It's actually rather sickening. This league is an F-in joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Karma would be a Steeler getting a clean shot on Brady behind that young inexperienced line. nothing horrible, just a 4 game injury! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 No Shattering Cindy's tibia and fibia would be pure KARMA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Did any money exchange hands at the party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Most judges are hacks you guys have no idea. Yep, they all used to be or still are....get ready for it......LAWYERS. Yuck. For all you North Jersey people I give you Judge George Korpita. My father was a cop for 21 years. This narrative that 'public servants' are a bunch of noble people is a farce. Scumbags a plenty, just like every other profession. People really need to stop watching Blue Bloods and the like and taking it as gospel. All that said, of course this is no coincidence. The guy is probably a Grade A jerkoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 A lot of judges are bought and paid for. You're not hanging at a party like that on a judges salary or because you're just an all around great guy. **** that judge, **** the the Hamptons, **** Kraft....... love you Oprah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Maybe Krafts girlfriend made sure the Judge had a happy ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 This was all a ruse to keep the league on the front page. Kraft, Goodell, Wells and this judge all bought and paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 There's no way this can be viewed as a coincidence. It's actually rather sickening. This league is an F-in joke. This is sick and no this is NOT NORMAL!!!! The idea that federal judges are routinely at events with Oprah Winfrey is INSANE!!! And for a judge to be seen talking to a "interested party" in this manner is wrong. Now can we say something is wrong with the NFL and our whole system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Yep, they all used to be or still are....get ready for it......LAWYERS. Yuck. For all you North Jersey people I give you Judge George Korpita. My father was a cop for 21 years. This narrative that 'public servants' are a bunch of noble people is a farce. Scumbags a plenty, just like every other profession. People really need to stop watching Blue Bloods and the like and taking it as gospel. All that said, of course this is no coincidence. The guy is probably a Grade A jerkoff. The problem isn't necessarily that judges are lawyers it's that most judges have no real outside experience outside of the 4 years of college, 3 years law school and whatever they did as attorneys. Most judges are academics who make six figures so all they care about are their careers and looking good to whatever other academics whose opinions they care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Even some Pats fans see this INSANITY, not all but some: PonyExpressIn the Starting Line-Up"Kraft needs to stop talking. Every time he opens his mouth he does damage. This scandal is too big and too complex for him to manage with his back room schmoozings and social meanderings. He is now a laughingstock quickly becoming a loathsome figure. His behavior brings discredit to the franchise. I sincerely hope he has the sense to say nothing opening night and to bring no attention to himself. His machinations throughout this affair have been an embarrassment. He has done as much to damage the hearts of patriot fans as the Doofus in chief himself. Kraft speaks for no one: not the fans not the league not the players. He is despised by the fellow owners he enjoys impressing. Someone needs to open a window, let some light into the attic of his brain and enable some self-reflection." http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/sigh-kraft-seen-talking-to-judge-berman-at-party.1123154/page-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Kraft needs to stop talking. Every time he opens his mouth he does damage. This scandal is too big and too complex for him to manage with his back room schmoozings and social meanderings. He is now a laughingstock quickly becoming a loathsome figure. His behavior brings discredit to the franchise. I sincerely hope he has the sense to say nothing opening night and to bring no attention to himself. His machinations throughout this affair have been an embarrassment. He has done as much to damage the hearts of patriot fans as the Doofus in chief himself. Kraft speaks for no one: not the fans not the league not the players. He is despised by the fellow owners he enjoys impressing. Someone needs to open a window, let some light into the attic of his brain and enable some self-reflection."
Larz Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 so this came from the new york post spotted in the hamptons gossip page I can't get outraged because all of the points he made in his decisions were regrettably sound and logical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Did any money exchange hands at the party? a re-election fund was rumored to be secured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Even some Pats fans see this INSANITY, not all but some: PonyExpressIn the Starting Line-Up http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/sigh-kraft-seen-talking-to-judge-berman-at-party.1123154/page-3 Kidding aside, I view this a lot like Brady's destruction of his phone -- legally irrelevant, but lousy optics and shows terrible judgment/tone deafness on the part of Brady (in the case of the phone) and Kraft (in the case of mingling with Berman). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 Yep, they all used to be or still are....get ready for it......LAWYERS. Yuck. For all you North Jersey people I give you Judge George Korpita. My father was a cop for 21 years. This narrative that 'public servants' are a bunch of noble people is a farce. Scumbags a plenty, just like every other profession. People really need to stop watching Blue Bloods and the like and taking it as gospel. All that said, of course this is no coincidence. The guy is probably a Grade A jerkoff. Blue Bloods is real life man. TAKE IT BACK. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 The politics involved with being a federal judge is astounding. It has little to do with the greater good or being a public servant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 so this came from the new york post spotted in the hamptons gossip page I can't get outraged because all of the points he made in his decisions were regrettably sound and logical I am not going to pretend to be an expert, but in my limited knowledge of the situation... The NFLPA signed off on Roger Godell being the judge, jury, and executioner, and it should never have gone to court in the first place. However, saying that Brady didn't know he would be punished for cheating is not grounds for not punishing him. "Conduct detrimental to the integrity and public confidence in the NFL" is a catch all disciplinary function, which again the NFLPA signed off on. Cheating is the worst wrongdoing that an NFL player can commit, relative to the game of football. Lastly, the judge is at a socialite meeting where a chance meeting happened to take place. Just call it what it is Bull$hit, but I would be happy to hear any sound info to the contrary, as I am not an expert. However, if anyone can be outraged by this, they don't pay enough attention to everyday life where this happens daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I am not going to pretend to be an expert, but in my limited knowledge of the situation... The NFLPA signed off on Roger Godell being the judge, jury, and executioner, and it should never have gone to court in the first place. However, saying that Brady didn't know he would be punished for cheating is not grounds for not punishing him. "Conduct detrimental to the integrity and public confidence in the NFL" is a catch all disciplinary function, which again the NFLPA signed off on. Cheating is the worst wrongdoing that an NFL player can commit, relative to the game of football. Lastly, the judge is at a socialite meeting where a chance meeting happened to take place. Just call it what it is Bull$hit, but I would be happy to hear any sound info to the contrary, as I am not an expert. However, if anyone can be outraged by this, they don't pay enough attention to everyday life where this happens daily. I'm no lawyer but legal precedents matter, as does due process. unfortunately, there was a legal precedent with jay feely and the NFL botched the due process. berman was especially annoyed the NFL's top lawyer helped edit the wells report before it was released. that doesn't seem independent when you get right down to it berman didn't disagree with the findings, only the grounds for the punishment. I don't see it weird that berman was at a hamptons party but krafty ? c'mon my strong islanders how did you let that happen ?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 However, saying that Brady didn't know he would be punished for cheating is not grounds for not punishing him. Maybe this is a media sound-byte of some sort, but neither the judge, nor any lawyer or principal on either side of this dispute has ever said or argued this. I think there is a lot of unnecessary confusion about the decision that results from this inaccurate characterization being loosely bandied about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I am not going to pretend to be an expert, but in my limited knowledge of the situation... The NFLPA signed off on Roger Godell being the judge, jury, and executioner, and it should never have gone to court in the first place. However, saying that Brady didn't know he would be punished for cheating is not grounds for not punishing him. "Conduct detrimental to the integrity and public confidence in the NFL" is a catch all disciplinary function, which again the NFLPA signed off on. Cheating is the worst wrongdoing that an NFL player can commit, relative to the game of football. Lastly, the judge is at a socialite meeting where a chance meeting happened to take place. Just call it what it is Bull$hit, but I would be happy to hear any sound info to the contrary, as I am not an expert. However, if anyone can be outraged by this, they don't pay enough attention to everyday life where this happens daily. It does not mean you can do what the eff you want and make $hit up as you go. As Larz pointed out, there are quite a few things Goodell and the league screwed up. And the rest of the league should be thankful it was struck down. If being "generally aware" was allowed to be a standard of proof of guilt to pass punishment, then literally everyone could be punished. How many coaches/players do you think know a player (or more) that is "generally aware" of another player that is doing PEDs? Or illegal drugs? Or some other criminal behavior. I know Roger is not a lawyer, but they must have some that reviews this. The league needs to look at their process because they are screwing it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I'm no lawyer but legal precedents matter, as does due process. unfortunately, there was a legal precedent with jay feely and the NFL botched the due process. berman was especially annoyed the NFL's top lawyer helped edit the wells report before it was released. that doesn't seem independent when you get right down to it berman didn't disagree with the findings, only the grounds for the punishment. I don't see it weird that berman was at a hamptons party but krafty ? c'mon my strong islanders how did you let that happen ?!? Have to disagree with the bolded part. Feely did not obstruct an investigation or destroy evidence. It can easily be argued that the majority of the 4-game suspension had nothing to do with the actual deflation of footballs. The Feely issue is a complete red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 he was at that party last year... as the valet. what a difference a year and a horrible ruling make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Have to disagree with the bolded part. Feely did not obstruct an investigation or destroy evidence. It can easily be argued that the majority of the 4-game suspension had nothing to do with the actual deflation of footballs. The Feely issue is a complete red herring. the NFL never stipulated what the break down was on the 4 games they choked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Karma would be a Steeler getting a clean shot on Brady behind that young inexperienced line. nothing horrible, just a 4 game injury! That sure would be something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 the NFL never stipulated what the break down was on the 4 games they choked The problem is the judge did not allow that the whole can be greater than the sum of the parts. And that the QB is not the kicker. The K ball is not used by the whole offense all game long. Not to exempt Feely, because it's still cheating and kickers definitely affect games' outcomes, but it isn't the same. Feely's K balls weren't also used to improve the play of others around him in the way that deflated footballs also improved the Pats' lack of fumbling and at times helped receivers catch passes that might have otherwise bounced off their hands. Cheating that helps the QB and WRs and TEs and RBs and the defense (by preventing more turnovers) >>> helping the kicker alone (and even then, only really helping on FGs that weren't sure things regardless). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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