Should Rex Be The HC Next Year?

[bitonti]

 By the way, people talk about how Rex will land on his feet and how he will be scooped up in an instant, but did you see the list I provided on coaches FIRED by the Jets? Except for Carroll, all the rest have pretty much faded into oblivion. Hmmm...Is your career basically over if you are fired by the Jets?

 

I did not see your list but Herm Edwards had another job lined up with KC,  a month before he was fired. Mangini got another job in Cleveland. who didn't get another job?  whatever you think of Rex you have to admit he's better than those two jokers. It's the state of the NFL HC market you all want to fire Rex but no one's given serious thought to who would replace him and how that would be better. Different, yes.  but they aren't getting a better coach to replace Rex. Because the handful of coaches who are objectively better (and not currently employed) would rather put out their own eyes than work for this franchise.

[Matt39]

I did not see your list but Herm Edwards had another job lined up with KC,  a month before he was fired. Mangini got another job in Cleveland. who didn't get another job?  whatever you think of Rex you have to admit he's better than those two jokers. It's the state of the NFL HC market you all want to fire Rex but no one's given serious thought to who would replace him and how that would be better. Different, yes.  but they aren't getting a better coach to replace Rex. Because the handful of coaches who are objectively better (and not currently employed) would rather put out their own eyes than work for this franchise.

 

The franchise boogey man is nonsense, so cut that out.

 

Fact is- Rex got 5 years here and improved our defense. He didnt get it done, but he did improve our defense. That's the ceiling. There's no reason to think with this front 7 the defense wont continue to be at least adequate going forward without Rex. The Ravens defense still balls out.

 

We need to fix the offense. Rex is obsessed with continuing to fix the defense. It aint getting much better save a few better secondary players. Rex's blitz schemes dont do sh*t anymore. We struggle to get first downs....thank Rex for all the work he's done here and changing the culture of the defense....but time for a switch. Revis had a lot to do with Rex's success here anyway....his blitz schemes against the pass were highly predicated on Revis taking away a side of the field.

[bitonti]

The franchise boogey man is nonsense, so cut that out.

 

Fact is- Rex got 5 years here and improved our defense. He didnt get it done, but he did improve our defense. That's the ceiling. There's no reason to think with this front 7 the defense wont continue to be at least adequate going forward without Rex. The Ravens defense still balls out.

 

We need to fix the offense. Rex is obsessed with continuing to fix the defense. It aint getting much better save a few better secondary players. Rex's blitz schemes dont do sh*t anymore. We struggle to get first downs....thank Rex for all the work he's done here and changing the culture of the defense....but time for a switch. Revis had a lot to do with Rex's success here anyway....his blitz schemes against the pass were highly predicated on Revis taking away a side of the field.

 

the defense will deteriorate without Rex. You can't just assume they will continue to be good. Because of the Ravens? 

 

Meanwhile there's no evidence that Ken Whisenhunt can turn Geno Smith into Kurt Warner. Just being an offensive head coach doesn't equal success. All these guys need a QB to win. The best HC in the league is probably Belly and what is he without Tom Brady? 

 

btw the Franchise "boogey man" is real. The owner sucks, the cost of living is huge (super high taxes), the media is a pit of vipers and the roster is a tire fire. Oh and the GM overrules the HC on lineup decisions.

 

What's so great about this job?  It's not even a situation where they pick 1 and can get Teddy. You'll get a retread like Whiz or a first timer like Bevel but no one really believes those guys are upgrades over Rex. We can hope for it but there's no real evidence to back it up. A "real" upgrade like Cowher or Gruden wouldn't touch this job with a ten footer.

[Matt39]

the defense will deteriorate without Rex. You can't just assume they will continue to be good. Because of the Ravens? 

Meanwhile there's no evidence that Ken Whisenhunt can turn Geno Smith into Kurt Warner. Just being an offensive head coach doesn't equal success. All these guys need a QB to win. The best HC in the league is probably Belly and what is he without Tom Brady? 

 

The defense will deteriorate under Rex based on what? The defense right now is deteriorating under Rex. Since Revis left it's been mediocre at best.

 

No one wants Ken Whisenhunt. 

[Jetsfan80]

The absolute best quality Rex has is developing D-Linemen.  Now that we have studs all across the D-Line and a solid DL coach in Dunbar, we could easily just promote Dunbar to DC and probably not lose much there, while standing to gain a lot on the other side of the ball. 

 

Could leaving everything up to Marty M work on that side?  So far I don't think so.  We've had 3 different OC's and 2 QB's (plus McElroy, Simms, etc) in here and the offense is simply dreadful at every turn, even when accounting for lack of personnel.  Marty/Geno were doing a decent job in the first half of the season and then the wheels fell off.  We can do better at HC/OC/QB or HC/QB, which is the most important trio/duo in the NFL.

 

If Rex stays we need a veteran QB.  We can't hand him another rookie.

[Scott Dierking]

the defense will deteriorate without Rex. You can't just assume they will continue to be good. Because of the Ravens? 

 

Meanwhile there's no evidence that Ken Whisenhunt can turn Geno Smith into Kurt Warner. Just being an offensive head coach doesn't equal success. All these guys need a QB to win. The best HC in the league is probably Belly and what is he without Tom Brady? 

 

btw the Franchise "boogey man" is real. The owner sucks, the cost of living is huge (super high taxes), the media is a pit of vipers and the roster is a tire fire. Oh and the GM overrules the HC on lineup decisions.

 

What's so great about this job?  It's not even a situation where they pick 1 and can get Teddy. You'll get a retread like Whiz or a first timer like Bevel but no one really believes those guys are upgrades over Rex. We can hope for it but there's no real evidence to back it up. A "real" upgrade like Cowher or Gruden wouldn't touch this job with a ten footer.

Why would Rex stay here then? If he is such a hot commodity and this is such a crap job, Rex should high tail it!

[joewillie78]

I did not see your list but Herm Edwards had another job lined up with KC,  a month before he was fired. Mangini got another job in Cleveland. who didn't get another job?  whatever you think of Rex you have to admit he's better than those two jokers. It's the state of the NFL HC market you all want to fire Rex but no one's given serious thought to who would replace him and how that would be better. Different, yes.  but they aren't getting a better coach to replace Rex. Because the handful of coaches who are objectively better (and not currently employed) would rather put out their own eyes than work for this franchise.

Ahhh, the list included such stalwarts as Winner, Kotite, Coslet, Micheals, Walton, Holtz etc. remember, these are FIRED coaches, not the ones that left on their own like Parcells, and Groh.

 

Yes Herm and Mangini, got one more shot and failed, so is REX done after the jets say bye-bye or does he get one more chance to fail?

 

As I said, besides Caroll, basically every coach that has been fired by the JETS have either been failures in there one last shot or faded to oblivion. An ominous sign, dont you think?

[flgreen]

Ahhh, the list included such stalwarts as Winner, Kotite, Coslet, Micheals, Walton, Holtz etc. remember, these are FIRED coaches, not the ones that left on their own like Parcells, and Groh.

 

Yes Herm and Mangini, got one more shot and failed, so is REX done after the jets say bye-bye or does he get one more chance to fail?

 

As I said, besides Caroll, basically every coach that has been fired by the JETS have either been failures in there one last shot or faded to oblivion. An ominous sign, dont you think?

 

Just for the record Belichick was HC of the NYJ twice.

 

[joewillie78]

Just for the record Belichick was HC of the NYJ twice.

 

He left on his own, correct? Note on a napkin or something?

 

Being fired by the NY JETS just has to look awful on ones resume. Kind of like being fired from Wal-mart.

[Lizard King]

He left on his own, correct? Note on a napkin or something?

Being fired by the NY JETS just has to look awful on ones resume. Kind of like being fired from Wal-mart.

Don't disparage Walmart like that. They are a good company. They keep a good product on the shelves and their fans are happy. Their employees may be a little disgruntled, but their well being is not the bottom line. People line ip regardless to work there, because there will always be work. Actually they're the polar oppositte of the Jets operation in every respect. Economic blue chip on one side, one of the biggest failures in professional football on the other. Think about it.

[bitonti]

Ahhh, the list included such stalwarts as Winner, Kotite, Coslet, Micheals, Walton, Holtz etc. remember, these are FIRED coaches, not the ones that left on their own like Parcells, and Groh.

 

Yes Herm and Mangini, got one more shot and failed, so is REX done after the jets say bye-bye or does he get one more chance to fail?

 

As I said, besides Caroll, basically every coach that has been fired by the JETS have either been failures in there one last shot or faded to oblivion. An ominous sign, dont you think?

 

using this logic, and the fact that Rex is the 2nd best Jets  HC of all time (by winning %, 1st all time by playoff wins), he should end up better than Carroll. Better than all those names in fact.

[Scott Dierking]

using this logic, and the fact that Rex is the 2nd best Jets  HC of all time (by winning %, 1st all time by playoff wins), he should end up better than Carroll. Better than all those names in fact.

Groh has a better winning percentage than Rex

[Matt39]

using this logic, and the fact that Rex is the 2nd best Jets  HC of all time (by winning %, 1st all time by playoff wins), he should end up better than Carroll. Better than all those names in fact.

 

Using this logic Herman Edwards should have never been fired.

[joewillie78]

using this logic, and the fact that Rex is the 2nd best Jets  HC of all time (by winning %, 1st all time by playoff wins), he should end up better than Carroll. Better than all those names in fact.

So on his resume, he can say that he had (well not including these last 2 games) a 40-38 record and was tons better than Rich Kotite, Charlie Winner and Bruce Coslet.

[flgreen]

He left on his own, correct? Note on a napkin or something?

 

Being fired by the NY JETS just has to look awful on ones resume. Kind of like being fired from Wal-mart.

 

Yep

 

He was also the HC for about 3 days when the Jets were dicking around with the NFL, and the NE Patriots over the Parcells tampering  thing

[slats]

Could leaving everything up to Marty M work on that side?  So far I don't think so.  We've had 3 different OC's and 2 QB's (plus McElroy, Simms, etc) in here and the offense is simply dreadful at every turn, even when accounting for lack of personnel.  Marty/Geno were doing a decent job in the first half of the season and then the wheels fell off.

I don't think that you are accounting for the lack of personnel. The Jets had the worst receivers in the NFL before Holmes, Hill, Kerley, and Winslow got hurt. Of course the wheels fell off.

Idzik has to know how bad this roster is. It's hard to fairly or accurately evaluate Geno, Marty, or -yes- even Rex, given the state of the roster. Tannenbaum ran it into the ground, Idzik purposely made more moves to help himself next year than this one, and then all those injuries struck the weakest area of the team.

Hopefully the draft that just passed is better than it looks, and hopefully Idzik does better next year. A lot of work ahead.

[joewillie78]

Yep

 

He was also the HC for about 3 days when the Jets were dicking around with the NFL, and the NE Patriots over the Parcells tampering  thing

Thought so. The ones that RUN from this job seem to make out OK, but the ones that are FIRED, need to learn how to CHIP and PUTT or take up painting.

[joewillie78]

I don't think that you are accounting for the lack of personnel. The Jets had the worst receivers in the NFL before Holmes, Hill, Kerley, and Winslow got hurt. Of course the wheels fell off.

Idzik has to know how bad this roster is. It's hard to fairly or accurately evaluate Geno, Marty, or -yes- even Rex, given the state of the roster. Tannenbaum ran it into the ground, Idzik purposely made more moves to help himself next year than this one, and then all those injuries struck the weakest area of the team.

Hopefully the draft that just passed is better than it looks, and hopefully Idzik does better next year. A lot of work ahead.

Two stats that were mentioned yesterday are just incredible. We have 8 Ints as a TEAM and we have NO receivers with 400 yards in 14 games. Thats literally almost impossible to "accomplish" as a team. It speaks volumes about BOTH sides of the ball on this team, not just offense.

[Matt39]

I don't think that you are accounting for the lack of personnel. The Jets had the worst receivers in the NFL before Holmes, Hill, Kerley, and Winslow got hurt. Of course the wheels fell off.

Idzik has to know how bad this roster is. It's hard to fairly or accurately evaluate Geno, Marty, or -yes- even Rex, given the state of the roster. Tannenbaum ran it into the ground, Idzik purposely made more moves to help himself next year than this one, and then all those injuries struck the weakest area of the team.

Hopefully the draft that just passed is better than it looks, and hopefully Idzik does better next year. A lot of work ahead.

 

Tannenbaum had to put a decent product on the field while the owner was trying to sell PSL's. They knew they were going to suck last year hence the desperation Tebow move. When you have to operate like you're only as good as your last day....it's tough. Idzik seems to have some slack now. There are no quick fixes with this roster.

 

Rex's philosophy/coaching techniques just don't seem sustainable with a rebuild. He helped change the defense. We have a good front 7. The defense will be OK without Rex next year....hell maybe they'll force some turnovers too.

[flgreen]

Thought so. The ones that RUN from this job seem to make out OK, but the ones that are FIRED, need to learn how to CHIP and PUTT or take up painting.

 

Actually I suppose the first time he was "fired'  kind of.  They replaced him with Parcells, and hired him as DC with the promise of, when parcells stepped down he would get the HC job.  Leon even gave him a $1,000,000 bonus later.  

 

That is why he hates the Jets so much.  After Woody took over, and Lil Bill became HC, Woody was doing every thing he could to get Parcells to stay.  Then hired him as a consultant.  The same thing was about to happen again.  Kraft tampered with bellichick, as the Jets had with Parcells, and the rest is history

[slats]

Two stats that were mentioned yesterday are just incredible. We have 8 Ints as a TEAM and we have NO receivers with 400 yards in 14 games. Thats literally almost impossible to "accomplish" as a team. It speaks volumes about BOTH sides of the ball on this team, not just offense.

The Jets swapped out LaRon for Dawan, Cromartie fell off a cliff -he's either hurt or just lost a step- and the #9 pick of the draft is playing like a 9th rounder. The roster sucks all over the place.

[Lizard King]

The Jets swapped out LaRon for Dawan, Cromartie fell off a cliff -he's either hurt or just lost a step- and the #9 pick of the draft is playing like a 9th rounder. The roster sucks all over the place.

 

LaRon wasn't anything special in coverage, missed a lot of tackles actually and wanted a lot of money. Ihedidgbo is doing well in Baltimore- that was our real loss imo.

[Maxman]

The gap is getting closer.

 

You need a 2/3 majority to fire Rex.  

[Scott Dierking]

The gap is getting closer.

 

You need a 2/3 majority to fire Rex.  

Certain Jetnation sources had Rex being extended as early as 2 months ago.

[HessStation]

LaRon wasn't anything special in coverage, missed a lot of tackles actually and wanted a lot of money. Ihedidgbo is doing well in Baltimore- that was our real loss imo.

 

LaRon had a HUGE impact on the secondary last year. He made everyone better and made huge plays the entire secondary (minus Allen at times) is completely void of this year. 

[jack48]

Yeah he's a great coach. We already got our offensive coach in Mornhinweg and we got Rex running the defense, why change? We definitely need better talent evaluators though. We've been drafting sh*tty.

because yo;u need ONE coach running EVERYTHING?

[Bergen Jet]

I voted yes. I don't like change for the sake of change. If there is a top-notch head-coaching candidate we could scoop up yeah I would do it... I just do not see that guy out there right now.

[artemusclyde]

because yo;u need ONE coach running EVERYTHING?

 

Why? So that one coach can interfere with what another coach is doing best?

[jack48]

Is Tom Coughlin the offensive coach of the Giants?  No he is the HEAD Coach.  Tomlin runs the whole team.  Every coach has a specialty.  They don't all hide in the corner like Rex.

[#27TheDominator]

LaRon wasn't anything special in coverage, missed a lot of tackles actually and wanted a lot of money. Ihedidgbo is doing well in Baltimore- that was our real loss imo.

 

Not anything special in coverage is much better than Dawan. 

[JustInFudge]

Is Tom Coughlin the offensive coach of the Giants?  No he is the HEAD Coach.  Tomlin runs the whole team.  Every coach has a specialty.  They don't all hide in the corner like Rex.

 

Interesting you bring them up, both have superior rosters, with QB's who have won 2 SB's and neither of them have a better record than Rex's sh*t roster with Geno ******* Smith.

[bitonti]

Not anything special in coverage is much better than Dawan. 

 

i also like the narrative that LaRon wanted TONS of money. He wanted to be paid what he's worth. That's not how the 2013 Jets were operating.  the end result is Demarrio Davis is faster than any of the safeties.

[#27TheDominator]

i also like the narrative that LaRon wanted TONS of money. He wanted to be paid what he's worth. That's not how the 2013 Jets were operating.  the end result is Demarrio Davis is faster than any of the safeties.

 

Not paying LaRon was understandable.  Thinking Dawan wasn't a downgrade was not.

[dbatesman]

btw the Franchise "boogey man" is real. The owner sucks, the cost of living is huge (super high taxes), the media is a pit of vipers and the roster is a tire fire. Oh and the GM overrules the HC on lineup decisions.

What's so great about this job? It's not even a situation where they pick 1 and can get Teddy. You'll get a retread like Whiz or a first timer like Bevel but no one really believes those guys are upgrades over Rex. We can hope for it but there's no real evidence to back it up. A "real" upgrade like Cowher or Gruden wouldn't touch this job with a ten footer.

Repeating this doesn't make it true. Woody's no bigger a dipsh*t than Bob McNair or Jerry Richardson or basically anyone else who owns a team save the Rooneys and the Maras, cost of living is immaterial for someone making well into the seven figures annually, anyone who's afraid of the media isn't head-coaching material in the first place, practically any open HC vacancy will by definition involve a bad roster, and the evidence for the GM overruling the HC is that you really want it to be true so you can continue painting Rex as a blameless victim.

It's pretty simple. There are three types of head-coaching vacancies: a.) teams with a franchise quarterback, b.) teams without a franchise quarterback, c.) teams owned by Dan Snyder. No one takes a b.) job if an a.) job's available, but ceteris paribus, there's not a ton of difference within the b.) range. How is working for the Jets any less desirable than working for Tennesee or Oakland or Minnesota? Or, if you want to go back to last year, Buffalo or Arizona or Cleveland?

And spare me the Namath-era ball boy speech. This is nothing more than self-pitying inferiority-complex crap. The fact that Rex has some distant familial connection to the Jets means less than nothing. The goal is to find a coach who can win a championship, not a coach who really really likes us.

[T0mShane]

Repeating this doesn't make it true. Woody's no bigger a dipsh*t than Bob McNair or Jerry Richardson or basically anyone else who owns a team save the Rooneys and the Maras, cost of living is immaterial for someone making well into the seven figures annually, anyone who's afraid of the media isn't head-coaching material in the first place, practically any open HC vacancy will by definition involve a bad roster, and the evidence for the GM overruling the HC is that you really want it to be true so you can continue painting Rex as a blameless victim.

It's pretty simple. There are three types of head-coaching vacancies: a.) teams with a franchise quarterback, b.) teams without a franchise quarterback, c.) teams owned by Dan Snyder. No one takes a b.) job if an a.) job's available, but ceteris paribus, there's not a ton of difference within the b.) range. How is working for the Jets any less desirable than working for Tennesee or Oakland or Minnesota? Or, if you want to go back to last year, Buffalo or Arizona or Cleveland?

And spare me the Namath-era ball boy speech. This is nothing more than self-pitying inferiority-complex crap. The fact that Rex has some distant familial connection to the Jets means less than nothing. The goal is to find a coach who can win a championship, not a coach who really really likes us.

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