BloodGreen Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Congrats on 2 more moral victories over the Pats. If moral victories were the Super Bowl, the Jets would be a dynasty. Slow your roll Dude, Jets did eliminate the Cheaters from the playoffs in 2011 on your home turf when your team was a big favorite. Be nice to people when you are on top, because you will have to deal with the same folk on your way down. Wait, you troll so you will just stop talking when your team soon goes back to the Tony Eason glory days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 INSANE!! One Pat's fan came on the radio last night and said that he and his friend played with a football and it lost 2 pounds.. So that "explains" what happened and that this is witch hunt against the Pats! It is just Pathetic....... Yeah but the Pats weren't trying to put the football up each others butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Look at Brady's record in awful weather conditions, you are smart enough to surmise they have been doing it his whole career I always used to just marvel at how much better Brady was in bad weather games. Now you have to wonder if this is why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 is there a single past* fan out there with respect for honor and integrity ? are they all assholes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 On a day the Rangers had a great OT win. Hey Boomer nobody likes Cockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodGreen Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 There is no way this occurred without Brady being a full participant and most likely the engineer of the whole thing. He deserves a hefty fine and possible suspension as well. A head coach is not going to alter a ball to what his coaching preference is, and force his QB to just go out a play with what he is given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Yeah but the Pats weren't trying to put the football up each others butt. this is tom brady we are talking about and there is a thing called halftime. you don't know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I just called six hotels in Glendale/Phoenix area. Renaissance Phoenix, Embassy Suites, Thunderbird Exec Inn, Crowne Plaza, Residence Inn Sports & Ent, Holiday Inn Express & Suites and they were all fully booked for SB weekend MONTHS ago. Rooms were booked by fans who had no idea what teams were playing. They committed just to be there. Like I said. Lol whatever. Tickets are sold in packages with hotel rooms that have already been booked. If you can find me anyone selling superbowl packages, that offers refunds, I owe you a coke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongman Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Thank you so much.... This is the hidden meaning behind everything on the table... NO WAY DID THE PATS CHEAT AGAINST THE COLTS BUT PLAYED IT FAIR AND SQUARE AGAINST THE RAVENS!!! NO WAY!!!! Period!!! I remember Pats fans swaying sanctimoniously that Spygate was an isolated incident and the Pats were not guilty of SYSTEMIC cheating.... But guess what the PATS have been cheating since the beginning of their run right up to the last GAME!! They are a disgrace to the men and women who work, play and perform in the organization known as the NFL!! Good Grief!! And that was a close game! Ravens might have won if Brady didn't use the tampered balls to gain an edge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongman Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 There is no way this occurred without Brady being a full participant and most likely the engineer of the whole thing. He deserves a hefty fine and possible suspension as well. A head coach is not going to alter a ball to what his coaching preference is, and force his QB to just go out a play with what he is given. Bingo!! A whiny bitch like Brady would have complained if the balls weren't tampered with to his satisfaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongman Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Reading some of the Patriot fans message boards is educational. According to them, taking the air out of a ball is really difficult and would have taken hours. Oh, and apparently it's easier to break into Fort Knox than to tamper with the balls before the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 @RUSSLANDE: Rumor from @seniorbowl (don't know if true), small group of team exec's saying Patriots will lose 2nd Rd Pick for "deflated ball scandal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 What should have happened is the game should have been forfeit at halftime. They were caught cheating mid-game. Should have gone down then & there. With or without Goodell's approval (preferably with it), that's it after the first half. Game over, when the score was still close. Then AFTER the game, Goodell can take his time weighing in on suspensions, fines, and lost draft picks. This league can't do anything right. It really does suck. Wish there was another sport worth watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I cannot imagine the circus that will be leading up to the SB if BB is allowed to participate. There will be absolutely no media interest in actually covering the game. Yep listening to the Fan today and Francesca said pretty much the same. In his opinion there is no way the NFL can let him be at the SB and he also feels loss of draft picks will follow. He said we'll see what the NFL is made of on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 What should have happened is the game should have been forfeit at halftime.They were caught cheating mid-game. Should have gone down then & there. With or without Goodell's approval (preferably with it), that's it after the first half. Game over, when the score was still close.Then AFTER the game, Goodell can take his time weighing in on suspensions, fines, and lost draft picks.This league can't do anything right. It really does suck. Wish there was another sport worth watching. Hockey. Bettman is an a$$hole but the game has gotten so good since the lockout in 04/05. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Reading some of the Patriot fans message boards is educational. According to them, taking the air out of a ball is really difficult and would have taken hours. Oh, and apparently it's easier to break into Fort Knox than to tamper with the balls before the game. Sure, let them hang their hats on that nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I actually feel kind of bad for the rest of the team. They probably had zero part in this, just busting their humps to win the game and their scumbag Head Coach and QB made a decision that tarnishes the rest of the teams amazing season. It really is a shame. I'd be pissed if I were a player. I'd probably want BB to punished for tarnishing their reputation let alone damaging the integrity of the game. He really shows all the behavior signs of a psychopath. No one but PATS fans will ever look back on his time and W's in NE as being 100% legit. It's amusing that the Pats fans show no morals while attempting to defend yet another black eye on the franchise and NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongman Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Yep listening to the Fan today and Francesca said pretty much the same. In his opinion there is no way the NFL can let him be at the SB and he also feels loss of draft picks will follow. He said we'll see what the NFL is made of on this one. Brady should not be allowed to play in the SB. He can be benched without a hearing if BB really wanted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Reading some of the Patriot fans message boards is educational. According to them, taking the air out of a ball is really difficult and would have taken hours. Oh, and apparently it's easier to break into Fort Knox than to tamper with the balls before the game. This one is even better via Facebook: Juno Slater Sorry to deflate your Bellichick bashing -- but here's the science: The physics is consistent with the theory that the footballs were inflated to the correct pressure at an indoor temperature of 70°F, and that the colder outdoor temperature caused lower pressure in the footballs on the field. The relationship between pressure and temperature is Amontons’ Law, named for the French physicist Guillaume Amontons. (This law is often erroneously credited to the French chemist Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac.) The law states that if the volume and number of molecules of gas remain constant, then the absolute pressure of the gas divided by its absolute temperature is constant. The formula for Amontons’ Law is: P1 / T1 = P2 / T2 Suppose the footballs were filled to the required pressure of 12.5 psi at a temperature of 70°F. Because atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi above a total vacuum, the absolute pressure would be 12.5 psi + 14.7 = 27.2 psia. (The abbreviation “psia” means “psi absolute”.) Because 0°F is 460° above absolute zero, the absolute temperature indoors would have been approximately 70°F + 460° = 530°R. (The “Rankine” scale is the absolute temperature in Fahrenheit units.) If the absolute temperature outdoors was 30°, that would have been 30° + 460° = 490°R. Now we can plug the numbers into the formula: 27.2 / 530 = P2 / 490 Where P2 is the pressure on the field. In this equation, P2 comes out to 25.1 psia. 25.1 – 14.7 = 10.4 psi, which is 2.1 psi too low, exactly what the league is claiming. In other words, if the footballs were inflated at a temperature of 70° and then brought to the field where they cooled off to 30°, the temperature change would cause the pressure in the footballs to decrease by 2.1 psi. If the rules are unclear about whether the footballs need to be inflated and tested AT THE SAME TEMPERATURE as on the field, then it is not clear that the Patriots violated the letter of the rule. Granted, I think the league SHOULD require that the balls be tested under the same conditions (temperature and atmospheric pressure) as on the playing field, but the question of rule-breaking is not what the rule SHOULD say but what it DOES (or DOES NOT) say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongman Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Sure, let them hang their hats on that nonsense. Their other meme is, "All QBs do it." My retort: "Maybe, but there's only one dumb enough to get caught." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Congrats on 2 more moral victories over the Pats. If moral victories were the Super Bowl, the Jets would be a dynasty. Let's not get off track, dude...this a PATRIOTS NAILED CHEATING AGAIN thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongman Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 This one is even better via Facebook: Juno Slater Sorry to deflate your Bellichick bashing -- but here's the science: The physics is consistent with the theory that the footballs were inflated to the correct pressure at an indoor temperature of 70°F, and that the colder outdoor temperature caused lower pressure in the footballs on the field. The relationship between pressure and temperature is Amontons’ Law, named for the French physicist Guillaume Amontons. (This law is often erroneously credited to the French chemist Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac.) The law states that if the volume and number of molecules of gas remain constant, then the absolute pressure of the gas divided by its absolute temperature is constant. The formula for Amontons’ Law is: P1 / T1 = P2 / T2 Suppose the footballs were filled to the required pressure of 12.5 psi at a temperature of 70°F. Because atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi above a total vacuum, the absolute pressure would be 12.5 psi + 14.7 = 27.2 psia. (The abbreviation “psia” means “psi absolute”.) Because 0°F is 460° above absolute zero, the absolute temperature indoors would have been approximately 70°F + 460° = 530°R. (The “Rankine” scale is the absolute temperature in Fahrenheit units.) If the absolute temperature outdoors was 30°, that would have been 30° + 460° = 490°R. Now we can plug the numbers into the formula: 27.2 / 530 = P2 / 490 Where P2 is the pressure on the field. In this equation, P2 comes out to 25.1 psia. 25.1 – 14.7 = 10.4 psi, which is 2.1 psi too low, exactly what the league is claiming. In other words, if the footballs were inflated at a temperature of 70° and then brought to the field where they cooled off to 30°, the temperature change would cause the pressure in the footballs to decrease by 2.1 psi. If the rules are unclear about whether the footballs need to be inflated and tested AT THE SAME TEMPERATURE as on the field, then it is not clear that the Patriots violated the letter of the rule. Granted, I think the league SHOULD require that the balls be tested under the same conditions (temperature and atmospheric pressure) as on the playing field, but the question of rule-breaking is not what the rule SHOULD say but what it DOES (or DOES NOT) say. Amazing how Boyle's Law didn't effect the Colts' balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Their other meme is, "All QBs do it." My retort: "Maybe, but there's only one dumb enough to get caught." Yea the one telling Jon Harbaugh to read the rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Their other meme is, "All QBs do it." My retort: "Maybe, but there's only one dumb enough to get caught." 2. There’s a difference that all these ex-quarterbacks are not taking into account when they say, “Every team doctors the footballs.” Former quarterback Matt Leinart tweeted something Wednesday that many quarterbacks were saying in different ways: “Every team tampers with the football. Ask any QB in the league, this is ridiculous!!” Every quarterback can tamper with the 12 footballs assigned to his team in the days before the game. In the NFL, each team is allowed weekly to break in 12 new footballs as it sees fit, according to the quarterback’s preference. That includes taking the shine and slipperiness off the new balls, and compressing them and working them in to soften the leather. By rule, those 12 footballs are then delivered to the officiating crew on site 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game begins. At that point the head linesman inspects each football with one or more members of his crew. If need be, the officials will clean off the balls. Then they will insert a needle into the balls, one by one, to ensure the balls are inflated to the proper pressure: between 12.5 and 13.5 psi. If a ball is underinflated, an electric pump is used to fill it to the requisite level. Then all 12 balls are marked by silver Sharpie with a referee’s personal preference of a mark—Gene Steratore’s crew uses the letter “L,” for Steratore’s fiancée, Lisa—and put back into the bag, and zipped. The bags are handed to the ballboys minutes before the opening kickoff. If it’s raining, or bad weather is on the way, the officials might tell the ballboys to change the ball on every play, whether it hits the ground on the previous play or not. To sum up: Yes, the quarterback or his equipment staff can break in the balls in whatever way they want a couple of days before the game. But no, the quarterback cannot dictate the level of air pressure in the ball. Or at least he cannot do it legally. And the low air pressure in the Patriots’ footballs is why this is a story. mmqb.si.com/2015/01/21/patriots-tom-brady-bill-belichick-deflategate-ball-controversy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I just want to hear if the NFL will say what happened was against the rules. Been reading around and it seems like the conversation has switched from breaking the rules to 'did it help them win' which is not the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indygirl4jets Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 Perfect example of how ridiculous this this thread is. Ridiculous is that you posted the made up statement from Goodell. Two times he's been caught cheating. Do you really think he's that bad at cheating that he got caught both times? There are plenty more but he just hasnt been caught. He has not only disgraced himself but every player on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indygirl4jets Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 Amazing how Boyle's Law didn't effect the Colts' balls Exactly! Why did the colts footballs test fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Hockey. Bettman is an a$$hole but the game has gotten so good since the lockout in 04/05. Agree about Bettman , not sure about the game getting better. They're neutering the game to try and milk more offense, nevertheless still the best sport hands down to watch live - especially playoff hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 This one is even better via Facebook: Juno Slater Sorry to deflate your Bellichick bashing -- but here's the science: The physics is consistent with the theory that the footballs were inflated to the correct pressure at an indoor temperature of 70°F, and that the colder outdoor temperature caused lower pressure in the footballs on the field. The relationship between pressure and temperature is Amontons’ Law, named for the French physicist Guillaume Amontons. (This law is often erroneously credited to the French chemist Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac.) The law states that if the volume and number of molecules of gas remain constant, then the absolute pressure of the gas divided by its absolute temperature is constant. The formula for Amontons’ Law is: P1 / T1 = P2 / T2 Suppose the footballs were filled to the required pressure of 12.5 psi at a temperature of 70°F. Because atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi above a total vacuum, the absolute pressure would be 12.5 psi + 14.7 = 27.2 psia. (The abbreviation “psia” means “psi absolute”.) Because 0°F is 460° above absolute zero, the absolute temperature indoors would have been approximately 70°F + 460° = 530°R. (The “Rankine” scale is the absolute temperature in Fahrenheit units.) If the absolute temperature outdoors was 30°, that would have been 30° + 460° = 490°R. Now we can plug the numbers into the formula: 27.2 / 530 = P2 / 490 Where P2 is the pressure on the field. In this equation, P2 comes out to 25.1 psia. 25.1 – 14.7 = 10.4 psi, which is 2.1 psi too low, exactly what the league is claiming. In other words, if the footballs were inflated at a temperature of 70° and then brought to the field where they cooled off to 30°, the temperature change would cause the pressure in the footballs to decrease by 2.1 psi. If the rules are unclear about whether the footballs need to be inflated and tested AT THE SAME TEMPERATURE as on the field, then it is not clear that the Patriots violated the letter of the rule. Granted, I think the league SHOULD require that the balls be tested under the same conditions (temperature and atmospheric pressure) as on the playing field, but the question of rule-breaking is not what the rule SHOULD say but what it DOES (or DOES NOT) say. JUST DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can these Patsy clowns please explain why the Colts footballs defied the laws of physics that they mentioned in the post by maintain their legal weight!! Good Grief!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 INSANE!! One Pat's fan came on the radio last night and said that he and his friend played with a football and it lost 2 pounds.. So that "explains" what happened and that this is witch hunt against the Pats! It is just Pathetic....... Guess that guy didn't see the official report that was the basis of my post. Of course, in his case the ball might have had a hole in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 @RUSSLANDE: Rumor from @seniorbowl (don't know if true), small group of team exec's saying Patriots will lose 2nd Rd Pick for "deflated ball scandal." Hmmm... doing whatever it takes to get past teh AFCC game this year, only costing a 2nd rounder? The Pats do this every time, probably most franchises do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Amazing how Boyle's Law didn't effect the Colts' balls What I was thinking the entire time I was laughing my through that waste of time, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 True. You did, in fact, sweep us. Blew us out in both games by a combined total of 3 points. Well done. And that is with them cheating, imagine straight up! The Pats would be a 5-6 win team tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Lol whatever. Tickets are sold in packages with hotel rooms that have already been booked. If you can find me anyone selling superbowl packages, that offers refunds, I owe you a coke. Who needs a refund? You missed the original point. Fans committed to going before they knew which teams were playing because they don't care. You're the only one that claims fans will get ripped off if they change a team after the CCG weekend, which in this case would be Pats fans who deserve it cause their team cheated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Agree about Bettman , not sure about the game getting better. They're neutering the game to try and milk more offense, nevertheless still the best sport hands down to watch live - especially playoff hockey. Fighting is dead but headhunting is still alive and well. The instigator rule eliminates teams from protecting their top guys. That said, the skill level and speed is light years beyond 2003/04 season. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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