Beerfish Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 My concern with Wilkerson is that his production has fallen off the 2nd half of the season the last two years. 2013 7 sacks first half, 3.5 second half. 2014 4.5 sacks first half, 1.5 second half. With Richardson basically now the best dlineman on the team I would want to hold onto MoWilk but I wouldn't go out of my way to give him his big pay day until I have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Remember the old saying " you can pay me now or you can pay me later" Allowing him to get to FA will cost a lot more $$$ We still have to think about the $ for richardson coming down the line. Imo Wilkerson has actually not reached his potential the last two years in the 2nd half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Drafting Williams to replace Wilkerson would be annoying. If the Jets decide they don't want to pay big money for two 3-4 defensive ends and Bowles thinks he can work with Coples and Richardson as the 5 techniques, I'd get it. Now's probably when Wilkerson's got the most value. They could get two decent players potentially if we're talking a top 10 pick. This probably isn't the draft to do it - kind of like when they traded Revis which was also a weaker draft - but whatever. They do have three capable vet backups at the position (Bowen, Vickerson, and Douzable) as well. Wondered why they signed all of those guys, maybe this is part of it. If they think he gives them a shot at a franchise QB, I'd get that too. As awesome as Wilkerson is, he's not as valuable as a franchise QB. But I'm not sure that guy's in the draft. Wilkerson and #6 is a ton to give up to get to #2 also, if we got a day two pick back or something that'd soften the blow a bit but that still seems like a lot. I bet Tennessee would be all over Wilkerson and #6 for #2 though. That said, can't we keep the nice things that we draft? I'd be more into trading Wilkerson when he's at the back end of his prime like the Patriots always do. I would not like it. But it would at least be somewhat understandable from a financial standpoint. But I would not like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Mo and #6 for a franchize QB? in a NY minute. No way Tenn does it though, not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 We are going to find out if Mac is a wheeler and dealer- my hunch is no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Mo and #6 for a franchize QB? in a NY minute. No way Tenn does it though, not enough. I'd be on board......if there was a franchise QB in this draft. If we traded the 6 and Wilkerson to get Winston or Mariota I'd be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Stupid. You have no idea how any of these guys pan out meanwhile, we have on of the best 3-4 DE's in the league on our squad. Local boy, home grown, one of the few draft picks we've hit in the past 10 years. I hate the Jets. Then why are you here? Typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Well, this is interesting indeed. This type of thing might hinge on Leonard Williams falling into the Jets lap? Perhaps the Jets move Coples to End where he belongs? We'd have to get a very good price if we were to consider this. I hope we don't. You don't give up on a known, proven talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Thanks Idzik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Trading Wilkerson would be the stupidest thing in the world. He's a proven commodity. He's a very good player. Pay the ******* man. Why should we trade one of the best defensive lineman in the league, and then an unknown commodity at 6? It just makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Well, he's going to cost us a lot of $$$ to keep. If he plays out his contract, he's gone in FA. Beerfish is spot on if Williams falls to us! Muhammed is worth a high Round 1 plus a 3rd or 4th. and honestly... has he consistently been "all that" for us? How is Mo who never made a Pro Bowl worth more then Abe who had multiple Pro bowls plus All Pro and we got a 29th pick in the 1st for?? Mo's a good player but some Jet fans seem to think he's JJ Watt..LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetNation Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Adam Schefter has an interesting update about Muhammad Wilkerson. He tweeted that multiple teams have contacted the Jets inquiring about trading for Wilkerson. At least two teams, possibly more, have approached NY Jets about trading for Muhammad Wilkerson, per league source. Bares watching Thursday. — Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 28, 2015 This is not saying the Jets are actively trying to trade Wilkerson. All it says is the Jets have been approached by other teams. There has been a lot of discussion surrounding a contract extension for Wilkerson, who will become a free agent after the season. There is some additional information and fan reaction to the in our forums. View the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 So other teams put feelers out to the Jets. No biggie and hardly a story. The Jets and Mac would be fools not to listen. But I don't think Mo is going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Trading Wilkerson would be the stupidest thing in the world. He's a proven commodity. He's a very good player. Pay the ******* man. Why should we trade one of the best defensive lineman in the league, and then an unknown commodity at 6? It just makes no sense. I assume we will be doing much better than 6 if we trade Wilkerson. I like Wilkerson and would prefer not to move him, but we'd have to see what we are getting before we complain too hard. Change in regime usually means some good players fall by the wayside and some guys you thought sucked turn out good. Remember when Rex came? We had to pay Kerry Rhodes! Sione Pouha was a piece of sh*t. Parcells dumped Hugh Douglas. Herm moved our cover corners. Mangini let Brooks Bollinger walk! Maybe Bowles doesn't like Wilkerson as much as us. Maybe he doesn't have as much use for a guy who has skills that may kind of be duplicated by Sheldon and Coples. Tough to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 How is Mo who never made a Pro Bowl worth more then Abe who had multiple Pro bowls plus All Pro and we got a 29th pick in the 1st for?? Mo's a good player but some Jet fans seem to think he's JJ Watt..LOL I completely agree. He is a very good player. He has not yet reached his potential perhaps, but I don't see multiple picks being offered for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Then why are you here? Typical. To annoy you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 or wilkersons agent If Schefter says "contacted the Jets" that means somebody in the organization, in the front office, leaked it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 This I agree with 100%. I wouldn't go ballistic if they traded him for something else but to move up? That would be assinine. I'm punching a baby brah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I hope we don't. You don't give up on a known, proven talent. It all comes down to the definition of proven talent. If Wilk wants absolute top tier Dline money he has not earned that yet. He was passed lat year by richardson and has faded down the stretch the last couple of years. He's a really good player who you want to keep but if he is asking for the moon you have to think about moving him when he is at his top value. The trade offer would have to be a very large one to consider it though that is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 It all comes down to the definition of proven talent. If Wilk wants absolute top tier Dline money he has not earned that yet. He was passed lat year by richardson and has faded down the stretch the last couple of years. He's a really good player who you want to keep but if he is asking for the moon you have to think about moving him when he is at his top value. The trade offer would have to be a very large one to consider it though that is for sure. I agree that Richardson passed him but they both feed off each other. Take one out of the equation and the other will suffer a bit more because there would be more focus on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Create more holes... Nice. This is my opinion too...makes me hate the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Moving up for Mariota makes ZERO sense. The two season's Mariota will be holding the clipboard on the sideline, Wilk will be on his way to the Pro Bowl. And the two season on the sidelines is the best case scenario for Mariota. If someone has legit doubts he will not amount to much in the NFL i won't blame them. JETS would be better served to hold on their Wilk. It makes alot of sense. I like Wilk... we all do. But DLmen do not win titles. QBs do. How many playoff games has JJ Watt won? If you don't like MM, that's one thing. But believing that Wilk can help the Jets win a title with below average turnover machines at QB is what makes zero sense. I am perfectly fine moving Wilk to ensure Mariota is a Jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Moving up for Mariota makes ZERO sense. The two season's Mariota will be holding the clipboard on the sideline, Wilk will be on his way to the Pro Bowl. And the two season on the sidelines is the best case scenario for Mariota. If someone has legit doubts he will not amount to much in the NFL i won't blame them. JETS would be better served to hold on their Wilk. It may make 0 sense to you, or to me, but what matters is what kind of sense it makes to Macc Bowles, and Gailey. if Gailey is in love with Mariota it changes things. Don't know It depends on what Wilkerson is demanding. For all we know he may be demanding Suh kind of money. Don't know Keep in mind that Richardson is going to be a FA in 2017. How much money are they going to invest in DE? Even with the franchise tag that's 10.339% of total cap. Under the current cap, which will go up next year, that's $14,680,000. Probably $16,000,000 next year. If they don't think they want to get something done at those prices, it makes perfect sense to see what kind of a market there is for Wilkerson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Wilk and Geno for Rivers, it's like where do i sign. Anything else.....meh, I will pass. Ok, trading him for Phillip Rivers is one thing. For extra picks would make me puke. If they lose him to FA I will puke. Keep your owns stars for **** sake...unless you get a Franchise QB back in exchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZ THE JET Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Only way I trade Wilkerson is if we can get a franchise QB in return a Cam Newton, Phillip Rivers type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 It makes alot of sense. I like Wilk... we all do. But DLmen do not win titles. QBs do. How many playoff games has JJ Watt won? If you don't like MM, that's one thing. But believing that Wilk can help the Jets win a title with below average turnover machines at QB is what makes zero sense. Very good NFL QB's are worth a lot. Only there are question marks if Mariota can be even an average NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Ok, trading him for Phillip Rivers is one thing. For extra picks would make me puke. If they lose him to FA I will puke. Keep your owns stars for **** sake...unless you get a Franchise QB back in exchange. Yup yup, that is the only way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I assume we will be doing much better than 6 if we trade Wilkerson. I like Wilkerson and would prefer not to move him, but we'd have to see what we are getting before we complain too hard. Change in regime usually means some good players fall by the wayside and some guys you thought sucked turn out good. Remember when Rex came? We had to pay Kerry Rhodes! Sione Pouha was a piece of sh*t. Parcells dumped Hugh Douglas. Herm moved our cover corners. Mangini let Brooks Bollinger walk! Maybe Bowles doesn't like Wilkerson as much as us. Maybe he doesn't have as much use for a guy who has skills that may kind of be duplicated by Sheldon and Coples. Tough to say. The players you named above are not even in the same conversation was Wilk. Honestly, if it wasn't for Watt, we can argue that Wilk might be the best 3-4 DE in the game. His production and the attention he gets makes our entire defense better. I don't pay attention to the amount of pro bowls a player makes. Trading this guy will be a mistake unless we get a franchise QB in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 It may make 0 sense to you, or to me, but what matters is what kind of sense it makes to Macc Bowles, and Gailey. if Gailey is in love with Mariota it changes things. Don't know It depends on what Wilkerson is demanding. For all we know he may be demanding Suh kind of money. Don't know Keep in mind that Richardson is going to be a FA in 2017. How much money are they going to invest in DE. Even with the franchise tag that's 10.339% of total cap. Under the current cap, which will go up next year, that's $14,680,000. Probably $16,000,000 next year. If they don't think they want to get something done at those prices, it makes perfect sense to see what kind of a market there is for Wilkerson. We should not short change ourselves. Reminds me of the guy who was trying to justify why the JETS did not pick Marino. Right now a deal would look something like, Wilk + #6 pick for Top 5 that gets us Mariota makes no sense right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 This is all kind of ridiculous. Look at whether we make our best deal for Wilkerson before or after our pick, and with Williams on or off the board. It's pretty clear that you ride out the first pick if you have a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny16 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 If he's asking for a huge amount of money, then Maccagnan has to explore a deal. I'd be approaching the Redskins if I were Maccagnan and see about acquiring their #5 overall pick if he feels that he has to move Wilkerson. They could then get one of the WRs there and still get a pass rusher like they've been talking about, or they could package both the #5 and #6 picks to go up to get a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The players you named above are not even in the same conversation was Wilk. Honestly, if it wasn't for Watt, we can argue that Wilk might be the best 3-4 DE in the game. His production and the attention he gets makes our entire defense better. I don't pay attention to the amount of pro bowls a player makes. Trading this guy will be a mistake unless we get a franchise QB in return. I agree, but I can only assume that whatever move they would make would be for a franchise QB. We have heard Brees and Rivers names thrown around. More scary is that they like Mariota. I wouldn't like it, but I would understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Only way I would do this is for a king's ransom. Maybe this year's 1 and next years 1 and 2, plus other picks. More than what we got for Revis. I wonder though if this is a smokescreen by the Jets to suggest that they will take Williams and thereby getting somebody who wants Williams to trade up with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 It may make 0 sense to you, or to me, but what matters is what kind of sense it makes to Macc Bowles, and Gailey. if Gailey is in love with Mariota it changes things. Don't know It depends on what Wilkerson is demanding. For all we know he may be demanding Suh kind of money. Don't know Keep in mind that Richardson is going to be a FA in 2017. How much money are they going to invest in DE? Even with the franchise tag that's 10.339% of total cap. Under the current cap, which will go up next year, that's $14,680,000. Probably $16,000,000 next year. If they don't think they want to get something done at those prices, it makes perfect sense to see what kind of a market there is for Wilkerson. Mo's agent met with Mac during the combine and it was reported they were miles apart contract wise.. You could at least make a argument that Revis was worth around what his agents wanted but Mo isn't anywhere near the talent Revis had as a CB that Mo is as a DE.. If the asking price was in the reasonable area I think it would have been done.. That's why I think their waiting for the draft and Mo may go in some sort of deal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeJet22 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I love Mo. But every player has a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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