artemusclyde Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Fitz isn't better than Dalton. And he isn't a massive step up from Geno. Your stats lie. Dalton sucks, has one of the most talented teams in the league and can't win a playoff game, he's trash. Fitz was better then him last year, based off of stats. He had a higher ypa value and a near identical yds/g value at 207 compared to 212. All while having a 17 to 8 td in ratio compared to Daltons crappy 19 to 17 ratio. Dalton is sh*t, he has a freaking all pro wr in AJ Green and still sucks. Hell he even has more rushing yards despite playing in 4 fewer games then Dalton. Dalton is probably the luckiest qb in the league. He landed in one of the best situations for a qb to thrive in, a talented team that can carry him to the playoffs every year, a team that doesn't really put success on that high of pedestal considering how long Lewis has been there, and an all pro receiver that he can develop with it. It's a shame it's wasted on such a mediocre qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Dalton sucks, has one of the most talented teams in the league and can't win a playoff game, he's trash. Fitz was better then him last year, based off of stats. He had a higher ypa value and a near identical yds/g value at 207 compared to 212. All while having a 17 to 8 td in ratio compared to Daltons crappy 19 to 17 ratio. Dalton is sh*t, he has a freaking all pro wr in AJ Green and still sucks. Hell he even has more rushing yards despite playing in 4 fewer games then Dalton. Dalton is probably the luckiest qb in the league. He landed in one of the best situations for a qb to thrive in, a talented team that can carry him to the playoffs every year, a team that doesn't really put success on that high of pedestal considering how long Lewis has been there, and an all pro receiver that he can develop with it. It's a shame it's wasted on such a mediocre qb. And didn't Cincy just give him a new contract? Damned if you do.... damned if you don't! Prime example of why you keep drafting a QB every year to develop. You get stuck giving Dalton a big new contract when he can't get you past rd. 1 in playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 And didn't Cincy just give him a new contract? Damned if you do.... damned if you don't! Prime example of why you keep drafting a QB every year to develop. You get stuck giving Dalton a big new contract when he can't get you past rd. 1 in playoffs. He's just awful, the bengals aren't winning the superbowl with him at qb. But, he'll play good enough on a really talented team so he'll give you a shot at making the playoffs. Bengals are in for a rude awakening once they have to start paying their star players like Green. That team is going to fall apart, and unlike Wilson, he ain't good enough to carry it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Agreed. He's been so avg. that with their 1st 2 picks in draft they took OL... hoping that giving Dalton 10 seconds in the pocket to make a decision might make him better QB. Funny side note.... as I was looking at the Bengals Official website, their first article reads "Geno looking like Geno"! http://www.bengals.com/ As long as Geno is our starter, the Circus will never leave town. He's just awful, the bengals aren't winning the superbowl with him at qb. But, he'll play good enough on a really talented team so he'll give you a shot at making the playoffs. Bengals are in for a rude awakening once they have to start paying their star players like Green. That team is going to fall apart, and unlike Wilson, he ain't good enough to carry it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 JETSONS, YOU WANNA NEG REP MY QB TAKES YOU BETTER BE PREPARED FOR A ROUNDHOUSE TO THE FACE HOMEBOY Unless he's wearing a Steelers jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Unless he's wearing a Steelers jersey. You gotta admit, those are intimidating jerseys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 You gotta admit, those are intimidating jerseys. How scared were you when you watched Dark Knight Rises for the first time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 The argument for Geno at this point may boil down to the idea that he does not suck too much worse than Fitz but he is younger and faster. As depressing at it might be, perhaps the discussion of 2016 draft QB prospects is not quite so premature after all. At what point in such a discussion do we collectively need to arrive at consensus about what our own draft position is likely to be next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSU_Jet Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Exactly. Geno could be 20/22 with 8 TDs in 11 on 11 but if the two others were pics that is all they would report. Oh give me a break. The reason why the media rips Geno is because he's been proven to suck in REAL NFL GAMES. Minicamp further reinforces what we already know, which is that Geno is an awful quarterback and doesn't deserve to start in the NFL. No media bias or agenda necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Yeah, let's give the terrible QB the benefit of the doubt when he looks terrible in practice because, you know, media and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If Geno goes 20/22 with 8 TD's and 2 INT's in practice I'll wear his jersey every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 The argument for Geno at this point may boil down to the idea that he does not suck too much worse than Fitz but he is younger and faster. As depressing at it might be, perhaps the discussion of 2016 draft QB prospects is not quite so premature after all. At what point in such a discussion do we collectively need to arrive at consensus about what our own draft position is likely to be next year? Each of the last 2 years we were told to get excited about the QB prospects coming out. Each year they disappointed. I won't care about the 2016 QB draft class until we're mathematically eliminated from the postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Impressive. Geno is in week 8 form already! Does that mean going forward he's going to post average to well above-average passer ratings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Dalton sucks, has one of the most talented teams in the league and can't win a playoff game, he's trash. Fitz was better then him last year, based off of stats. He had a higher ypa value and a near identical yds/g value at 207 compared to 212. All while having a 17 to 8 td in ratio compared to Daltons crappy 19 to 17 ratio. Dalton is sh*t, he has a freaking all pro wr in AJ Green and still sucks. Hell he even has more rushing yards despite playing in 4 fewer games then Dalton. Dalton is probably the luckiest qb in the league. He landed in one of the best situations for a qb to thrive in, a talented team that can carry him to the playoffs every year, a team that doesn't really put success on that high of pedestal considering how long Lewis has been there, and an all pro receiver that he can develop with it. It's a shame it's wasted on such a mediocre qb. Ok, you're blaming Dalton for losing in the playoffs? Before Dalton they didn't make the playoffs. You can't use the excuse he landed on a playoff team, because they weren't before Dalton. Daltons problem is he sucks, big time in the playoffs. Not in the regular season. That said, Fitz has never gotten close to the playoffs. Has never won more than 6 games. Fitz was not better than Dalton last year or anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Ok, you're blaming Dalton for losing in the playoffs? Before Dalton they didn't make the playoffs. You can't use the excuse he landed on a playoff team, because they weren't before Dalton. Daltons problem is he sucks, big time in the playoffs. Not in the regular season. That said, Fitz has never gotten close to the playoffs. Has never won more than 6 games. Fitz was not better than Dalton last year or anytime. Remember when Carson Palmer got hurt and the Bengals started that stud QB in 2008? What was his name again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Remember when Carson Palmer got hurt and the Bengals started that stud QB in 2008? What was his name again? You mean when Fitz took over a talented playoff squad and won 4 games in Cincy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'd like for Shaq and Quincy to make the team as our 5th and 6th Wrs. Wonder how they've looked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 You mean when Fitz took over a talented playoff squad and won 4 games in Cincy? That "talented playoff squad" went 0-4 when Palmer was under center that season. But yeah, Fitz was clearly the biggest problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 That "talented playoff squad" went 0-4 when Palmer was under center that season. But yeah, Fitz was clearly the biggest problem. Of course not. Doesn't fit the story. Fitz went 4-7 but it was Palmers 4 games that were the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 You gotta admit, those are intimidating jerseys. Is that first hand knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Of course not. Doesn't fit the story. Fitz went 4-7 but it was Palmers 4 games that were the issue. Umm. If the usual, effective starter goes 0-4 and the backup goes 4-7, that means neither QB was the biggest issue. It also means the team wasn't a playoff-caliber team at any time that particular season. That's the correct narrative. Not this "Fitz ruined the 2008 Bengals" argument you're flailing at. Fitz had started 3 prior games in his career to that point and made things interesting by throwing for 1900 yards and rushing for another 300 (3rd most among QB's) in a lost season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Umm. If the usual, effective starter goes 0-4 and the backup goes 4-7, that means neither QB was the biggest issue. It also means the team wasn't a playoff-caliber team at any time that particular season. That's the correct narrative. Not this "Fitz ruined the 2008 Bengals" argument you're flailing at. Fitz had started 3 prior games in his career to that point and made things interesting by throwing for 1900 yards and rushing for another 300 (3rd most among QB's) in a lost season. Ok, I get it now,. Accuracy isn't your strong point. Find the part where I said he ruined the Bengals. You know as opposed to saying he won 4 games. Which he did. Now how is throwing for 1900 yards in 12 games impressive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 JETSONS, YOU WANNA NEG REP MY QB TAKES YOU BETTER BE PREPARED FOR A ROUNDHOUSE TO THE FACE HOMEBOY Hahahaha.... another big mouth keyboarder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Ok, I get it now,. Accuracy isn't your strong point. Find the part where I said he ruined the Bengals. You know as opposed to saying he won 4 games. Which he did. Now how is throwing for 1900 yards in 12 games impressive? You mean when Fitz took over a talented playoff squad and won 4 games in Cincy? Just because you didn't use the word "ruined" doesn't mean it isn't inferred. You're saying he took over a playoff-caliber team and made them a not playoff caliber team. Not true. They were never going to be a good team that year. Their 0-4 start under Carson Palmer is evidence as to why that was the case. No team has ever started 0-4 and made the playoffs in NFL history. His 1900 yards passing + 300 rushing, along with 10 total TD's and 9 picks, isn't impressive for a first year starter. But it's also not what caused that team to stumble. It's just further evidence that he's an average QB whose game-to-game range of play goes from below average to slightly above average, with a 6-TD game mixed in. Nothing special, but better than Geno by a pretty significant margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Carson Palmer vs. Ryan Fitzpatrick? Perhaps this is the thread with the potential. It will take some creative merging, but I think it can be done. I am ever the optimist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Can't blame Geno for that. Dexter is going to be a star in this league./ Providing he can stay healthy. Yeah not sure why Dexter isn't talked about much. He's got sh*t tons of talent. Going to be fun watching this Jets secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Just because you didn't use the word "ruined" doesn't mean it isn't inferred. You're saying he took over a playoff-caliber team and made them a not playoff caliber team. Not true. They were never going to be a good team that year. Their 0-4 start under Carson Palmer is evidence as to why that was the case. No team has ever started 0-4 and made the playoffs in NFL history. His 1900 yards passing + 300 rushing isn't impressive. But it's also not what caused that team to stumble. It's just further evidence that he's an average QB whose game-to-game range of play goes from below average to slightly above average, with a 6-TD game mixed in. Nothing special, but better than Geno by a pretty significant margin. Incorrect... http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/the-most-unlikely-playoff-participants-in-nfl-history/?_r=0 2) 1992 San Diego Chargers. After a 4-12 season in 1991, San Diego hired Bobby Ross as coach and later traded for quarterback Stan Humphries in the 1992 preseason. They weren’t an instant hit; the Chargers started off 0-4 and became the only team to make the playoffs after going winless through four games. Humphries threw just one touchdown against eight interceptions after a not-so-seamless transition from the Redskins, but finished by throwing 15 scores against just 10 picks the rest of the season. After scoring 10, 13, 6 and 0 points in their first four games, San Diego scored at least 14 points in every contest the rest of the regular season en route to an 11-1 finish. The Chargers’ only loss in the last three quarters of the season was in Arrowhead, to the 10-6 Chiefs. After being swept by Kansas City in the regular season, San Diego won the A.F.C. West and shut out the Chiefs in the opening round of the playoffs, 17-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Stan Humphries vs. Rich Gannon vs. Trent Green. Quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 New offense, new players...that's why they hold practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 it's june 9th holy sh*t who cares When a QB competition is afoot, June matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 When a QB competition is afoot, June matters. Agreed and Hi!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Geno is a frickin' loser. There is ZERO chance that he ever becomes a good QB. I'll say it, I hate him. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Ok, I get it now,. Accuracy isn't your strong point. Find the part where I said he ruined the Bengals. You know as opposed to saying he won 4 games. Which he did. Now how is throwing for 1900 yards in 12 games impressive? Were you talking to Jetsfan80 or Geno? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 New offense, new players...that's why they hold practice. Shhhhh! You're killing the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Just because you didn't use the word "ruined" doesn't mean it isn't inferred. You're saying he took over a playoff-caliber team and made them a not playoff caliber team. Not true. They were never going to be a good team that year. Their 0-4 start under Carson Palmer is evidence as to why that was the case. No team has ever started 0-4 and made the playoffs in NFL history. His 1900 yards passing + 300 rushing, along with 10 total TD's and 9 picks, isn't impressive for a first year starter. But it's also not what caused that team to stumble. It's just further evidence that he's an average QB whose game-to-game range of play goes from below average to slightly above average, with a 6-TD game mixed in. Nothing special, but better than Geno by a pretty significant margin. Great argument. You make sh*t up as you go along not and when it's pointed out that it was never close to said you come back with it was inferred? LOL. And you might want to check teams that started 0-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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